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Topic: And y’all still think Brad Bowden is the best we can do?
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And y’all still think Brad Bowden is the best we can do?

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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 6:33 PM
 

Amanda Butler took a team that was averaging less than then wins a season since 2014, won 19 games, and made the tournament.

IN HER FIRST YEAR! And she faces all the same obstacles as Bubbly Brownell faces.


Re: And y’all still think Brad Bowden is the best we can do?


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 6:48 PM
 

I think you mean Brownell.

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Re: And y’all still think Brad Bowden is the best we can do?

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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 6:49 PM
 

Super post Jeff.
Comparing women’s basketball to men’s ACC basketball when three of the one seeds are from the league tells me a lot.

Amanda did a great job but I doubt that she faced the same schedule as coach Brownell. You’re on the ball!


We played 3 of 32 games against those

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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 6:51 PM
 

number 1 seeds. Our schedule could not have been more favorable this year


Re: We played 3 of 32 games against those

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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 7:41 PM
 

to add on to that -- the women also played 3 games against #1 seeds. Women played 9 games against teams that finished ranked. Men played 7.


Re: We played 3 of 32 games against those

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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 7:48 PM
 

Exactly, thank you! We played 8 conference games against teams that finished with an overall losing record, and 7 of our 9 conference wins came against those teams. Our OOC schedule wasn’t anything impressive either, and we managed to lose 3 of those games as well.


Re: We played 3 of 32 games against those


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 7:48 PM
 

Exactly, thank you! We played 8 conference games against teams that finished with an overall losing record, and 7 of our 9 conference wins came against those teams. Our OOC schedule wasn’t anything impressive either, and we managed to lose 3 of those games as well.


So basically, we sucked at men's basketball 2018-2019 season


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 9:20 PM
 

,right? All these CBB protectors. Let's see what he does 2019-2020. I hate picking the same wrong coach over and over, but it's put up or shut up season next year. Not even counting NIT right now.

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Ain't looking good for next year. We'll be lucky to be .500.***


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 9:09 AM
 

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Uh, oh. There you go again.


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 9:12 PM
 

Telling the truth and making sense.


Given the current level of support from Clemson’s administration and fans?


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 9:15 PM
 

Yes I do.

When considering all aspects of the program and how coaches are evaluated, he’s doing well.

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Re: Given the current level of support from Clemson’s administration and fans?

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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 9:24 PM
 

Is women’s basketball better supported by the fans and administration? Or did we just go out and make a good hire who was able to get the job done.

Basketball reminds me of the Bowden days of boy we were just one play away and let’s give credit to “insert crappy school here” they played well.

Brownell is equal to Bowden, he will win some games, have a decent year a few times a decade, beat UofSC, and win nothing meaningful.


Re: Given the current level of support from Clemson’s administration and fans?


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 9:25 PM
 

How does administration and fan support keep a team from losing a nineteen point lead on a neutral site? 2019/2020 has to be better and I can't see how that will happen.

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You're missing the point.

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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:11 PM
 

We are next to last in the ACC in basketball $$ spent. We have the ACC's worst basketball history. We are also near the bottom of the ACC in fan support and enthusiasm for basketball. Yet we are clearly a middle of the pack program under Brownell in terms of ACC finish. Plus, he runs a clean program, graduates his players at record rates, has the highest team GPA in program history, and has his players involved in the community with zero off-court issues.

I'd say we are getting a great return on our investment.

Now, if we want to see more success, which I believe we should, then the logical approach would be to give this already overachieving coach more resources to see what he can do with them.

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Judge - Do you know if DRad is supporting Brad ..


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:18 PM
 

... in his struggles with the ACC re officiating issues/questions?

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Yes, he is definitely supporting him.***

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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:34 PM
 



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Re: Yes, he is definitely supporting him.***

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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:46 PM
 

Good - thanks!!

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Judge is right about the money

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Posted: Mar 19, 2019 12:06 AM
 
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These numbers are 2017 ACC men's basketball revenue and expenses from the DOE website. We're 10th out of 15 in revenue and 13th out of 15 in expenses. Our expenses are 31 percent below the average and 22 percent below the median of the ACC. While money isn't everything, we are definitely fighting an uphill battle.


Re: Judge is right about the money


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 1:22 AM
 

Lots of interesting points there...
1. Our basketball program is a net profit - did not know that.
2. How are Louisville, Duke , Syracuse, UNC revenues so high?
3. Pittsburgh expenses exactly equals revenue? Can we/should we do that?

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Re: Judge is right about the money


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 10:38 AM
 

Yes basketball and football are the only two sports we have that show a profit. Most other sports show at least a $500k+ loss or more with the average being around $1-1.5 mil. So basketball and football effectively subsidize everything else. That’s pretty standard in college and high school sports. Our expenses in 2016 were around $6 mil with the same revenue.

The answers to 2 and 3 are kinda related. First, Louisville and Duke are obviously huge basketball brands and traditions so they make much more money off both attendance and merchandise and probably contracts as well. ND football shows revenue of $107 mil while we only show $52 mil.

I think the Syracuse thing about revenues exactly matching expenses is because of the way different schools report their revenues. I could be wrong but it appears that Clemson shows the direct revenue and expenses for each sport and then has a big pool of about $30+ mil for funds unallocated by sport or gender to cover shortfalls. Whereas I think some of these other schools go ahead and assign revenues to the sport on the front end if that makes sense. I was wondering how some of these schools were getting their smaller sports to pay for themselves but I think the answer is they aren’t. It just appears that they are. I do think that the expense/spending amounts though are accurate and comparable. I’m going to try and dig down and see if I can find what exactly Duke and Louisville spend all that money on...besides what we think haha.

Looking at these revenue and expense numbers has been an eye opener though. I’ve learned that we do well off of football but we could do better. Hopefully our continued success and 2nd Natty in 3 yrs will continue to improve our brand and drive those numbers. FSU still makes $80+ mil off of football and they haven’t been good in years.


I see about $3.5 million we could spend to upgrade the


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 9:13 AM
 

program. Could used to lure a big time coach or whatever. My issue isn't so much with CBB, it's with what are we doing to be the best program we can be.

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if this really meant something


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 9:33 AM
 

then does this mean if we spent another million - we would beat UNC every year?
are we supposed to beat BC and ND every year because we already spend more.

sure these is some correlation - but all expenses are not created equal.


Re: You're missing the point.


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 12:56 AM
 

I would rather he bring on one and domes, two and throughs, and win games. Maybe I miss the big picture.


Re: You're missing the point.


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 8:48 AM
 

I keep seeing posts on here about money being an issue, and I guess it's good to know that we aren't overpaying for average results, but what exactly do you feel that Clemson is skimping on that is truly hurting our overall results? I'm certainly not privy to Brownell's discussions with the AD or anyone in charge of athletic finances, but what exactly has Brownell stated that he needs that the administration has declined recently? I know I could certainly get behind this argument if I had ever heard Brownell or anyone even say "well I sure do need this to be successful, but no one will allow us to spend the money on it!" Maybe I just haven't read the right articles....


Re: Given the current level of support from Clemson’s administration and fans?


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 4:48 AM
 

He is doing well Judge? Youre a certified idiot.

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Re: Given the current level of support from Clemson’s administration and fans?

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Posted: Mar 19, 2019 5:00 AM
 

Frankly scarlet, you clowns that make fun of Brownell are the idiots, not Brad Brownell.

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Re: Given the current level of support from Clemson’s administration and fans?


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 5:07 AM
 

Making fun of him? What are you 12. We just go by results, moron. You're a certified as well. Are you sure you should even talk sports since you know nothing about them apparently.

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Yes, he is doing well.


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 10:56 AM
 

I don't understand how you can't see that. To spend so little on our basketball program, plus the poor basketball history we have and the lackluster fan support, it is a significant accomplishment to be a middle of the pack ACC team.

Why you or anyone else expects more return on our investment is puzzling to me.

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Some will never be happy, Just Human nature


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 5:04 AM
 

Not always on the Coach
going 7-8-9 minutes with out a point
going 6-7 trips down the court
letting the shot clock get to -0-
with out trying to shoot
many more

Talking about the money a coach is paid
How much money is enough

Talking about playing in NIT
How many teams are sitting at home

I'm not happy with the way our Clemson Tigers
played in many games, in fact during many games
I questioned if they could have competed against
a middle school team

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Re: Some will never be happy, Just Human nature


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 5:28 AM
 

A team plays like they are coached.
Yeah you can put it on the players if every now and then they have a bad game and lose .
But every thing you posted is a pattern by every Tiger team CBB has coached .


Re: Some will never be happy, Just Human nature


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 7:32 AM
 

okay, i guess Purnell was awful. As far as I can remember, he never had a team that could shoot better than 60% from the free throw line. You'd think a decent coach could train kids to hit free throws, right? We're doing what we can do with what we've got, which isn't great. We've got a bunch of transfers from other programs, and you can't really build a cohesive team that plays well in the clutch when it's mostly kids who've known each other for a year.


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