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Heisman Winner [111617]
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Question for Tea pArty and Pubs
Oct 2, 2013, 1:25 PM
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which government agencies and services do you think we would be better off without and why?
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Department of agriculture 26 billion Homeland security 43 billion HUD 48 Billion Department of labor 13 billion Health and human services 77 billion department of energy 26 billion Department of education 47 billion EPA 11 billion State department 52 billion Veterans Administration 56 billion Department of the Interior 12 Billion Transportation 73 billion Justice Department 23 billion Commerce 13.8 Billion NASA 17 Billion Defense 664 Billion
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Social Security 773 Billion Medicare 470 Billion Postal Service 2.7 Billion Medicaid 54 Billion Food Stamps 80 Billion Child Nutrition 20 Billion Low Income energy assistance 3 Billion Housing assistance 49 billion SSI 50 Billion
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/08/federal-spending-by-the-numbers-2013
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All-In [27403]
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Can't remember
Oct 2, 2013, 1:27 PM
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Re: Can't remember
Oct 2, 2013, 1:28 PM
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worst LBOD ever
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Fund them all!!!
Oct 2, 2013, 1:50 PM
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Except pub compromise. Quit holding Washington hostage over ideology, President Obama!
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Re: Fund them all!!!
Oct 2, 2013, 1:52 PM
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it is a shame Obama is keeping Boehner from holding a vote, because that is his job and not the presidents.
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Letterman [292]
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Re: Question for Tea pArty and Pubs
Oct 2, 2013, 1:53 PM
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You probably won't get many real answers to your question, however the gov't much like any entity grows out of control if not monitored closely.
I personally have a fine example of that for you. Cisco just cut the 5% of our employees yesterday and yet we have 50B in cash and are setting records in sales. Why ? Because some areas had become bloated and overlapping and obsolete. Do you think the gov't is immune to that ?
So the answer is we would be better off without about 10% on average of each dept because they are bloated, overlapping and obsolete. And care must be taken in these instances not to simply cut the worker bees, you must limit the layers of mgt and reward those areas that are effective and efficient with less reduction.
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Re: Question for Tea pArty and Pubs
Oct 2, 2013, 2:01 PM
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well it certainly illustrates the point that all the government agencies that are currently shut down are a drop in the bucket compared to our federal budget.
But then again, they inhibit our individual freedom to eat taint meat, make our lakes and rivers flammable, and burn all of Darwin's books.
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Letterman [292]
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Re: Question for Tea pArty and Pubs
Oct 2, 2013, 2:10 PM
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That may be the illustration you were intending, but the original question had nothing to do with shutdowns so maybe you need to go back to art class and work on that
One other thing that I failed to mention as a reason for Cisco's recent layoff. We did a bad job of running off the bottom 5% each year and had a bit of an overstock of employees that fell in that category. If the Feds, or even state, govt would start doing that I think they would find that employees may become a bit more efficient and we wouldn't need as many thus lowering the burden on the American people. And they would certainly garner new respect from those that pay their salaries.
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Re: Yea, feds never cut budgets and lay people off
Oct 2, 2013, 2:57 PM
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budgets cuts ? We're not talking budget cuts - that's for bad businesses and govt and my Cisco example is neither of those.
We're talking about which functions we can live without or as I preferred, keep them all but be more efficient.
Govt and business are not apples to apples, but they both can generate employee motivation the same way - encourage efficiency, run off the bottom 5% each year, monitor and address bloat, overlap and obsolete functions.
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Re: Yea, feds never cut budgets and lay people off
Oct 2, 2013, 3:00 PM
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how about we just eliminate our military and give then all the governmental agency jobs. We can shear off 700 billion and make things more efficient at the same time.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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great idea***
Oct 2, 2013, 3:02 PM
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Re: great idea***
Oct 2, 2013, 3:03 PM
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so much for all governmental bureaucracies being inefficient.
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Legend [18024]
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The problem with that are lobbyists
Oct 2, 2013, 3:39 PM
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and Government has a role beyond "profitability." Businesses main (and really ONLY) function is to make a profit. So you are right in saying comparing them is difficult.
I think most would agree that Government needs to be run efficiently. The problem arises when jobs/services need to be cut because of inefficiencies. We have lobbyists and we have political games as the main obstacle in the way of creating the efficiencies we want.
Take for example cutting the military. When a President or Congressman proposes such a measure how is it received? Cutting waste out of Medicare? You are killing grandma! That's a hard mentality to overcome.
(I think term limits for Congress would actually have the effect of making our Government more efficient because it takes away the need to always be "running for office" that creates the inability to cut some of these services. Lobbyists are a different problem that has no easy fix.)
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Re: The problem with that are lobbyists
Oct 2, 2013, 3:48 PM
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I still think stalemates should be settled with a battle to the death, it would cut down on the brinkmanship and we could have gotten rid of cruz a long time ago.
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Legend [18024]
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Andrew Jackson loves this idea.***
Oct 2, 2013, 3:54 PM
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This is the best idea yet! You gotta think about match-ups
Oct 2, 2013, 4:03 PM
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though. Who's your champion? Harry Reid?
I'd like to wager a dime on Cruz.
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Re: This is the best idea yet! You gotta think about match-ups
Oct 2, 2013, 7:30 PM
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I have ted Yoho vs John Lewis in the final of bare knuckle boxing, would be a good match-up.
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Virtuoso [610]
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Term limits would be a huge positive because right now the
Oct 2, 2013, 7:28 PM
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number 1 priority of elected officials is to get re-elected. They all leave office much richer. If you are only there a short time you do whats right rather than whats popular or easy and as it helps end the career politician class it strikes a blow to lobbyists and special interests.
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The poblem is, our founding fathers saw that government
Oct 2, 2013, 5:21 PM
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is needed, but that government is also corrupt and dangerous. Thus, they created checks and balances (3 branches) and wanted a decentralized and limited federal government (Constitution clearly limiting fed power and leaving most things in the hands of the states). They also recognized that people are different and a "one size fits all" approach to government was flawed, which is again why the fed power was to be limited and the Constitution ensuring a great degree of states rights. Things like drugs, gay rights, abortion, etc. should be voted on state by state. They have no business in national elections.
The left, however, doesn't want what the founding fathers created. They think the Constitution is antiquated rather than the law of the land. They are limited by the Constitution since it doesn't allow for a totalitarian/socialist all powerful centralized government. This is exactly why Jefferson believed in the right to bear arms so the masses could rise up against a corrupt government. The left desperately wants to take gun rights away to prevent the masses from revolting. And the left continually pushes for liberal judges esp on the SCOTUS so they can side step the legislative process. The Constitution does not give the SCOTUS the power to do crap like Roe v. Wade and overturn laws created by referendums during general elections.
The left hates the limits the Constitution puts on the federal government and they are corruptly doing everything they can to side step and subjugate it.
Contrary to what the libtards on here, in Hollywood, and the MSM would make you think, only about 30% of the population is liberal. Yet that 30% controls Hollywood and the media and they don't respect democracy. They will do anything they can to do what they want, which is to seize control of the government.
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What is troubling is that I think 73% of the government
Oct 2, 2013, 6:41 PM
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workforce is being considered "non essential" during this shutdown (maybe I'm incorrect on the number0. Anyway, what is troubling is that our government has any non essential position, not to mention 73%.
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Virtuoso [610]
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Exactly. If a job is non-essential then it should not
Oct 2, 2013, 7:36 PM
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exist. Government is like a virus. Its main objective is self preservation and growth. It wants to spread and grow bigger/stronger in an effort to rationalize and justify its existence. Government by nature is wasteful and inefficient. Liberals think one of the rolls of government is to create jobs, which can only be accomplish by continuing to grow.
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Re: The REAL Tea Party opposes the Federal Reserve Charter
Oct 2, 2013, 6:03 PM
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Not the fake co-opted Republican Tea Party.
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Re: Question for Tea pArty and Pubs
Oct 2, 2013, 7:05 PM
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Scale back epa. I believe they have done great things before, but they are getting to big for their britches.
Fire DOJ...
Close the IRS
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Set term limits!***
Oct 2, 2013, 7:10 PM
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Re: Question for Tea pArty and Pubs
Oct 2, 2013, 7:31 PM
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EPA has been scaled back about a dozen times since reagan, good luck getting congress to vote on term limits.
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Nixon created the EPA and today it has grown into a huge
Oct 2, 2013, 7:50 PM
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extremely powerful monolith that does nothing but hinder business and bow to special interests. Anyone that has any knowledge of the EPA can tell you what a corrupt liberal organization it is and it continues to seize more and more power via executive action, regulatory action, and activist administrative law judges. The EPA is a joke. It even has on its website part of its mission is to correct social injustices of the past and shape the country through policy and redistribution of wealth. The left sees the EPA like a civil rights organization and is a bigger drain on the economy than taxes.
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I think you are going overboard on the redistribution of wealth angle
Oct 2, 2013, 8:12 PM
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That sounds eerily like industrialist propaganda
But I would be for scaling it back if it could more effectively focus on enforcing the clean water an clean air acts, unfortunately, we are not even close being able to enforce our own laws.
And to put things in perspective, prior to the Clean water act, The Cuyahoga river literally caught on fire from industrial waste in 1969. To think Industry can self regulate is insane. Profits will always be held above public safety.
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Of course we needed and will always need some regulations
Oct 2, 2013, 9:14 PM
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but the EPA has gone way way way off the deep end. Today tt is for all intents & purposes an extension of the environmental lobby. And no one goes overboard and creates hysteria lacking hard science like the environmentalists.
Among their worst over reactions are DDT, dioxin, nuclear power, fracking, Deepwater Horizon in the Gulf, drilling in Alaska, Global Warming (Every model has been shown to have been grossly over reactionary) etc. etc.
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Re: Of course we needed and will always need some regulations
Oct 2, 2013, 9:29 PM
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I am not going to sit here and pretend to be an expert on environmental science, but to say Deep water Horizon was not a big deal and a major Blunder on the part Halliburton is more than a stretch. And most of that oil was never recovered, just coated with another chemical that sunk it the ocean floor, where it will sit for an eternity. Nobody has any Idea what the long term ecological impact is going to be. But that is No excuse not to hold BP and Halliburton resposnsible. They got off easy in my opinion.
And If I were to get caught dumping industrial waste into a river, I would be sent to jail and would have to pay a huge fine, yet Big industry does it every day on a much more massive scale while our regulatory agencies turn their heads the other way. it is hard to Blame the EPA when their hands are tied by special interests, so no wonder it is a political mess.
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Actually you are wrong, the left is wrong, about oil. People
Oct 3, 2013, 1:02 AM
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confuse crude oil with refined oil & gas products. What's the difference in peat moss, oil, coal, and diamonds? Time! It's all carbon in different forms and time & pressure take peat and progress it from peat to oil to coal to diamonds. Oil is natural. It comes from the earth. Refined oil is different, but crude oil breaks down on its own naturally. Mother nature has an amazing capacity to reconstitute matter. Watch the show from NatGeo about what happens when people stop living in a major city. Even New York or LA. Nature almost immediately starts taking it all back.
After the oil spill the left freaked out. Typical hyperbole broke out about the dire consequences. Thousands of birds were going to die and it was going to destroy the fish, shrimp, and oyster industries. The reality is/was the complete opposite. Less than 100 birds died and not only did it have zero effect on the seafood industry, but 12 to 24 months later the fish, shrimp, & oysters production were at peak levels. The fishing & shrimping down in the gulf, even in the Louisiana area, is as good or better than ever. And they still do sample tests of all commercial & sport fish species and not once have they tested any specimens that were contaminated.
Oil was discovered because it bubbles to the surface naturally. Crude oil is reabsorbed by nature.
FYI: Along these lines ...
So called global warming & deforestation - the earth is greener now than in the past few hundred years. The slight warming of the past 100 years and increases in CO2 are stimulating plant growth.
The condemnation of factory farms - In general moving so much production from family farms to industrialized methods is more negative than positive. But, beef in America has been industrialized for well around 150 years. Cattle has been primarily raised on huge ranches and historically driven to Kansas City or Chicago to be slaughtered & packaged. In fact, once rail cars were able to be refrigerated
Over population - Remember in the 60s & 70s the hysteria over over population? Most environmentalist & lefties still blow that horn. Actually the population is in decline in many places, with population growth rapidly slowing globally, and scientists are now concerned about a steep population decline.
But hey, scientists, like politicians, think 1st about self preservation. It's in their best interest to continually hype new scares to con the government out of money for research. That's where scientists are like race hustlers on the left. They perpetuate racism to remain relevant.
Food shortages - Less than 50% of the food grown reaches the dinner table. In Africa people are starving because of their corrupt governments and warlords stealing the food.
Additionally, millions of people in Africa keep dying because the lefties & environmentalists in America keep demonizing DDT despite there not being a shred of hard science showing its dangerous.
If you want to see a great documentary, watch the one NatGeo did about "America Before Columbus". It's basically about the "Columbian exchange" whereby the Americas and Europe were both transformed following the discovery of the new world. It's truly fascinating and turns most liberal/environmentalist dogma on its head. We hear how terrible it was that European diseases killed millions of natives. Yet few know syphilis came from the Americas and was taken back to Europe and killed millions there. People scram about GMO's. Yet corn comes from grass that the central American natives genetically altered over time to create corn. Corn started out like the seeds you see when your grass grows too much before being mowed. It really is a fascinating documentary.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/america-before-columbus/
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The EPA had a great mission, but now it is beholden to
Oct 2, 2013, 7:45 PM
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the left and special interests and it has grown to ridiculous proportions and holds vast executive powers it was never intended to have. The EPA is a bigger drain on the economy than taxes.
The IRS can easily be eliminated esp with a fair or flat tax, both of which would be great for working Americans and the economy.
The Department of Interior and Education are total wastes and could be easily eliminated. Education in America started going to hell after Carter created the Dept. of Edu., which helped national teachers unions ascend to power. Put education back where it belongs, back in the hands of the states.
Every other cabinet and branch should have a 10% budget cut straight off the top and in 5 years another 10% cut.
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Re: The EPA had a great mission, but now it is beholden to
Oct 2, 2013, 9:31 PM
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If you think the country is divided now, Imagine 50 different school curriculums devised by state governments.
And I can only imagine the ensuing nightmare when Universities begin refusing applications every student in certain states.
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Thats how it was until the 80s. School would change back to
Oct 3, 2013, 1:07 AM
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the better and curriculums would not change that much. See, silly liberal hyperbole. Our education system was the best in the world and our population the best educated up till the 80s. The Dept. of Edu and teachers unions and PC agendas etc. killed education in America. Aided by the destruction of the nuclear family, also largely rooted in liberal policy & ideology.
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Please this list to Harry Reid
Oct 2, 2013, 7:47 PM
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so he can propose a budget.
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WOW! Dept of Energy has gone up 2400% since 02
Oct 2, 2013, 10:04 PM
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if we take in 2,700,000,000,000 in taxes, seems like the budget should be 2,700,000,000,000
just like a family budget, that should not be hard to understand
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which department does $100 million african vacations go?***
Oct 2, 2013, 10:23 PM
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the ships off the syrian coast on standby, $27 million/week
Oct 2, 2013, 10:26 PM
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i could do without that
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