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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 3:17 PM
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Maybe Herbie is subconsciously trying to push him toward us. He probably wishes he, too, had gone to Clemson.
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 3:18 PM
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Yeah it's beneath Herbie but Herbie is right though lol
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How is he right?***
Sep 13, 2017, 3:19 PM
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Re: How is he right?***
Sep 13, 2017, 3:24 PM
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You think recruits, or even active players for that matter, should get on twitter and say what their coaches should do? You think it would be OK right now if Tee Higgins or Rodgers went on Twitter and said "they need to let my boy Tavian Feaster ball" ??? It isn't a good idea for active players to undermine their coaches publicly muchless for recruits who don't have inside knowledge of the program yet to undermine their future coaches. Herbie is right he just never should have got involved at all.
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Re: How is he right?***
Sep 13, 2017, 3:34 PM
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> You think recruits, or even active players for that
> matter, should get on twitter and say what their
> coaches should do? You think it would be OK right
> now if Tee Higgins or Rodgers went on Twitter and
> said "they need to let my boy Tavian Feaster ball"
> ??? It isn't a good idea for active players to
> undermine their coaches publicly muchless for
> recruits who don't have inside knowledge of the
> program yet to undermine their future coaches. Herbie
> is right he just never should have got involved at
> all.
Apples to Oranges. Higgins and Rodgers are on the team, they have a responsibility. Jackson Carman is a 17 yr old high school student who is also a life long OSU fan. He's got a right to his opinion just like you and I do.
I find it odd that Kirk, who has 4 sons, would publicly humiliate a high school kid. Herbstreit played for OSU, I think he is waaaay over reacting. If I was Carman's dad I'd go find me some Kirk.
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Re: How is he right?***
Sep 13, 2017, 3:40 PM
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You're right it is Apples/Oranges. A recruit doing it is much worse. At least a player has firsthand knowledge and sight on the field of who might be better and is already a part of the team with an investment. If you think it's OK for recruits to undermine their coaches publicly then that's your opinion but I don't think many would agree with you.
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How is he undermining his coach?***
Sep 13, 2017, 3:46 PM
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Re: How is he undermining his coach?***
Sep 13, 2017, 3:53 PM
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Am I being punked?
What do you mean how is he undermining his coach? His coach makes the decisions on player personnel. He is not the coach. He isn't even a player yet. By publicly stating that OSU should run a different qb on the field he is slamming JT Barrett and undermining the decisions that that staff makes.
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Re: How is he undermining his coach?***
Sep 13, 2017, 3:56 PM
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Hmm...I wasnt aware that he was playing for OSU and Urban Meyer.
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#lawyered***
Sep 13, 2017, 3:57 PM
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If anything if anything you're the one trying to make a straw man arguement
Sep 13, 2017, 4:06 PM
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You said that he is undermining his coach. Urban Meyer is not his coach. HTH
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Re: If anything if anything you're the one trying to make a straw man arguement
Sep 13, 2017, 4:08 PM
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He's undermining his future coach. You're trying to change an argument based on semantics which is a straw man argument. I also stated that he wasn't yet a player. Terrible lawyering.
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Re: If anything if anything you're the one trying to make a straw man arguement
Sep 13, 2017, 4:11 PM
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It won't be surprising to me if OSU makes the playoffs with Barrett at QB. It is funny to me how negative some fans are about a QB that has won a lot of games at OSU just because he didn't play well against Clemson and Oklahoma.
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Re: How is he right?***
Sep 13, 2017, 5:30 PM
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I disagree completely. It's much worse for an active player to do it. It undermines the locker room and airs dirty laundry. A recruit (a non-committed one at that) is just a fan voicing and opinion of what he wants to see. He's under no obligation to show unity with the coach and team.
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Re: How is he right?***
Sep 13, 2017, 5:34 PM
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100% agree and I think if XT made similar statements these guys would feel the same way. Or, if Carman wasn't a highly rated recruit we're hoping to land, it would be different. I think it's safe to say Dabo wouldn't think to highly of Carman's critique either. It's simply not #AllIn
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Completely wrong
Sep 13, 2017, 6:35 PM
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It's not worse if a recruit does it.... The favor that he is a recruit doesn't hold him to a different standard. He isn't bound by any group or organization to withhold his opinions from a public forum.
You can say you disagree or that it isn't smart if he wants to attend that school but it isn't "wrong" or "worse" than someone who is already committed to that program / organization and publicly speaking out.
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Re: How is he right?***
Sep 13, 2017, 3:45 PM
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> > You think recruits, or even active players for
> that
> > matter, should get on twitter and say what their
> > coaches should do? You think it would be OK right
> > now if Tee Higgins or Rodgers went on Twitter and
> > said "they need to let my boy Tavian Feaster ball"
> > ??? It isn't a good idea for active players to
> > undermine their coaches publicly muchless for
> > recruits who don't have inside knowledge of the
> > program yet to undermine their future coaches.
> Herbie
> > is right he just never should have got involved at
> > all.
>
> Apples to Oranges. Higgins and Rodgers are on the
> team, they have a responsibility. Jackson Carman is
> a 17 yr old high school student who is also a life
> long OSU fan. He's got a right to his opinion just
> like you and I do.
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> I find it odd that Kirk, who has 4 sons, would
> publicly humiliate a high school kid. Herbstreit
> played for OSU, I think he is waaaay over reacting.
> If I was Carman's dad I'd go find me some Kirk.
How did Kirk expressing an opinion 'publicly humiliate' Jackson? Jackson heavily criticized the OSU QB but that isn't publicly humiliating the OSU QB?
It seems like you are brown-nosing the recruit because you want him to come to Clemson.
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Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 3:46 PM
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I must have missed that.
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 3:48 PM
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Do explain how asserting Barrett should be benched isn't criticizing Barrett.
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 3:52 PM
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You said "heavily."
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 3:54 PM
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Ok, do explain how a recruit tweeting that Barrett should be bench isn't heavy criticism?
Why do you feel the need to white knight for Jackson? He's not a victim.
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 4:20 PM
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Because JT Barrett had a QB rating of 21.1. If a guy is playing like trash I have absolutely no issue with a RECRUIT and a 17 YEAR OLD posting on Twitter that his boy should be playing.
Now, if he had thrown in some adjectives or explicitly said "JT is garbage, put my boy in and win" then you may have a claim.
Counter to your question, why do you feel the need to white knight for Barrett? He's not a victim either as he had a monopoly on the opportunities at QB in the game and did not perform.
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 4:38 PM
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> Because JT Barrett had a QB rating of 21.1. If a guy
> is playing like trash I have absolutely no issue with
> a RECRUIT and a 17 YEAR OLD posting on Twitter that
> his boy should be playing.
>
> Now, if he had thrown in some adjectives or
> explicitly said "JT is garbage, put my boy in and
> win" then you may have a claim.
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> Counter to your question, why do you feel the need to
> white knight for Barrett? He's not a victim either as
> he had a monopoly on the opportunities at QB in the
> game and did not perform.
I don't care that Jackson had a comment on it. I'm responding to your whining about Kirk criticizing his comment and making Jackson out as a victim.
I think Meyer kind of knows who their best QB is. Let me know why we should go with what you think over the coach who has seen his QBs practice. Barrett has won most of the games he has played in and I don't think OSU is that good at WR. It is a team sport.
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 4:44 PM
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Lol, my whining? I think your reading comprehension may need some work. Go down to a Goodwill and get you a set of Hooked on Phonics.
I haven't once whined about Kirk (actually haven't mentioned his name other than to say you got his buckeye in your mouth), and I also did not make Jackson out to be a victim, only that I had no issue with what he did.
I actually answered the question about why they should have went with what I thought in the post you replied to, however, I'll answer it here again:
BECAUSE THEY GOT THE #### KICKED OUT OF THEM AND JT HAD A QB RATING OF 21.1 SO OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WASN'T WORKING OUT IN THAT GAME.
(Used all caps to help you if you have poor eye sight in addition to the reading comprehension thing)
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 4:48 PM
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> Lol, my whining? I think your reading comprehension
> may need some work. Go down to a Goodwill and get you
> a set of Hooked on Phonics.
>
> I haven't once whined about Kirk (actually haven't
> mentioned his name other than to say you got his
> buckeye in your mouth), and I also did not make
> Jackson out to be a victim, only that I had no issue
> with what he did.
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> I actually answered the question about why they
> should have went with what I thought in the post you
> replied to, however, I'll answer it here again:
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> BECAUSE THEY GOT THE #### KICKED OUT OF THEM AND JT
> HAD A QB RATING OF 21.1 SO OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WASN'T
> WORKING OUT IN THAT GAME.
>
> (Used all caps to help you if you have poor eye sight
> in addition to the reading comprehension thing)
Ok, so you know more about winning games than one of the best coaches of all time? You talk about reading comprehension but you obviously did not get my point. You are assuming they have some stud QB sitting on the bench, and again, they played Oklahoma, a good team.
Nobody said OSU's offense played well.
Your hooked on phonics insult is so generic and underscores what a dull guy you are.
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 4:56 PM
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First of all, Hooked on Phonics is a classic.
Second of all, maybe you missed my point because at no time did I say they had "some stud QB on the bench." However, being that they are OSU one would have to assume that they have recruited another QB that would be capable of having a 21.1 QB rating in the game.
Seriously, how is that hard to understand?
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 4:58 PM
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> First of all, Hooked on Phonics is a classic.
>
> Second of all, maybe you missed my point because at
> no time did I say they had "some stud QB on the
> bench." However, being that they are OSU one would
> have to assume that they have recruited another QB
> that would be capable of having a 21.1 QB rating in
> the game.
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> Seriously, how is that hard to understand?
The only reason you are even talking about the OSU QB is because you want to agree with whatever the Clemson recruit says. You got him up on the cross because Kirk criticized his comment.
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 5:08 PM
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Ok, you're obviously drunk or high or just simply stupid so I'll let this go.
Good luck to you.
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 5:10 PM
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Ok I'll survive without your insult posts, somehow.
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Re: Jackson heavily criticized JT??
Sep 13, 2017, 3:51 PM
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The irony here is that he is downplaying the effect of Herbie's comments, yet overstating the effect of Carman's.
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Re: How is he right?***
Sep 13, 2017, 4:27 PM
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Kirk H. was just stating that recruits prob shouldn't be saying stuff like that he never said any names or called Carmen out. I saw kirks tweet yesterday and Carmen was never brought up even in the comment section. Carmen is the one who put himself in the mix by saying something back to Kirk. I don't think Kirk has bad intentions I think he was just saying that in general as more of advise then saying they are wrong. But as I stated the bigger this becomes the more likely a rift is created between Carmen and OSU. You already got OSU fans talking crap about him,
So it works in our favor the more of a thing this becomes Just my opinion. Go Tigers!!!
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I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 3:43 PM
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I think it is absolutely this kid's right to be able to say what he said. He didn't trash talk OSU, JT or Meyer. He just said he wanted to see his friend play. Sounds more like support for a friend rather than trashing somebody else. I also don't think he is undermining him. It's just his opinion. Not like he is trying to stage a coup or encourage active players or recruits to stand up against Urban if JT stays the starter.
While a recruit or commit, I would not care at all if Tee or Amari said "they need to put Feaster in and let him do work". It's just an opinion. And in both cases, it's quite possibly correct.
So are you advocating for a grown man and public university to restrict the freedom of speech of an 18yo kid?
You mention Dabo and some Clemson players, but you have to know that the Twitter ban for football players is self-imposed.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 3:46 PM
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Kirk didn't restrict the kid's speech. He stated his opinion about Jackson's tweet. Freedom of speech is a two way street.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 3:50 PM
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Asking someone to voluntarily keep quiet is not restricting speech. Kirk didn't ask twitter to shut down his account.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:00 PM
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So you think it is okay for an adult and a public figure to publicly tell a high school kid to "keep quiet"?
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:03 PM
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No, I've said over and over and over and over and over that Herbie should not have tweeted about it at all. You're arguing something with me where an argument doesn't exist. Stick to the original argument or concede.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:06 PM
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> So you think it is okay for an adult and a public
> figure to publicly tell a high school kid to "keep
> quiet"?
It is ok, it is called freedom of speech. You act like a 17 year old is supposed to be coddled by adults.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:23 PM
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> > So you think it is okay for an adult and a public
> > figure to publicly tell a high school kid to "keep
> > quiet"?
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> It is ok, it is called freedom of speech. You act
> like a 17 year old is supposed to be coddled by
> adults.
Yes, actually they should be. That's why they are called minors. At a minimum they shouldn't be called out publicly by a national media figure. Chad Kelly out in out insulted members of the team when he was a recruit. Dabo said nothing publicly....neither did Herbstreit. I think Herby just got the red asz 'cause he played football at OSU.
Of course, the Baker Mayfield planting a flag thing didn't help much either. 
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 5:41 PM
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Apparently you think it's ok for a high school kid to tell a $6 million dollar a use head coach what to do? Your logic fails at every point if you're trying to argue that one person shouldn't tell another person what to do.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 3:51 PM
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Do explain how that restricted Jackson's speech.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 3:50 PM
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I haven't advocated for any restriction of speech. Speech is not free of consequence. One can say whatever they please but they must be ready for any consequence that comes along with it. I would imagine if a Clemson recruit made such a comment that indirectly slams a current player that recruit likely would no longer be recruited. The last time a Clemson recruit slammed a current player on twitter his Clemson career didn't go very well. His name was Chad Kelly.
And yes, Carman's tweet most certainly takes a shot at JT Barrett and whether or not he's right is beside the point. Such a comment should not be made.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 3:54 PM
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So, by that token we as fans should never make a comment about our teams/players either, eh?
Because that is essentially what Carman was doing, as a kid in high school and a fan of Ohio State.
He "took a shot" and was apparently right, considering the score and how Ohio State's offense has looked through two games, or if you want to go back to the last three games go ahead but it helps Carman's point.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 3:55 PM
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Do you ever stop brown nosing recruits?
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No
Sep 13, 2017, 4:09 PM
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Welcome to recruiting.
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Re: No
Sep 13, 2017, 4:12 PM
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> Welcome to recruiting.
I didn't realize you were a Clemson recruiter.
Can you name one recruit that you landed by brown nosing teenagers on here?
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:21 PM
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I do not follow/tweet at recruits, I'm just having a discussion on a message board.
Do you ever take Kirk's buckeye out of your mouth?
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:43 PM
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> I do not follow/tweet at recruits, I'm just having a
> discussion on a message board.
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> Do you ever take Kirk's buckeye out of your mouth?
Do you ever stop being hostile over football? You probably didn't even go to Clemson but you feel the need to attack people who didn't attend Clemson.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:46 PM
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When did I get hostile?
As to my graduating from Clemson, my diploma is at the house proudly displayed for my B.S. in Accounting Class of 2015.
Also, as I type I can look down at my class ring which has my name engraved on the inside.
If those two items don't do it for you I certainly have those student loans I'm paying off that support it.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:50 PM
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I guess when you said I have Kirk's 'bucknut' in my mouth. You seem to literally hate the guy because he went to OSU.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:51 PM
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WHy do you think anybody wants your autobiography on here? Do you think they going to do a movie about your life?
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:58 PM
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First off, reading again is hard. I said "buckeye," not "bucknut." That was also a response to your "brown nosing" comment.
Secondly, you're the one who accused me of not being an alum so I guess you did?
Finally, I actually like Kirk and enjoy his commentary on the games. He's always very complementary of Clemson, knows his stuff, and is tremendous at his job.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 5:03 PM
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I don't care if Kirk is complimentary of Clemson or not. That has nothing to do with my opinion about his comments about Jackson.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 5:05 PM
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Ok, you lost me with this one.
That was a response to you saying I hate Kirk, I was half joking about your reading comprehension but now I think you may seriously need some help.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 5:09 PM
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You attacked me for saying that Kirk has the right to criticized the kid.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 5:11 PM
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Actually, I haven't mentioned that at all, nor have we discussed Kirk. (other than the buckeye thing after you accused me of brown nosing teenagers)
Again, you are really all over the place. Do you have someone to take care of you so you don't hurt yourself?
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 5:12 PM
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You are mad because I'm right about you being a brown-noser of recruits.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 5:16 PM
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Again, not mad at all lol, and not a brown-noser of recruits but you keep up with that!
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 3:55 PM
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He isn't just a fan. He's a recruit that has been offered a scholarship.
If he were just a fan we wouldn't be on this thread arguing. There are thousands of fans who have said the same thing as he did. We are not arguing over a single one of them. We are arguing about a recruit making such a statement and whether or not such a statement should be made by a recruit to begin with regardless of the accuracy of said statement.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:23 PM
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That's a fair point, and you know what? If it's such a big deal let's see if Urban pulls his scholly offer.
My bet is that he won't, and also that he isn't going to make a big deal out of this.
To Carman's point, JT looked like a smoking pile of hot garbage and deserved to be pulled.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 3:57 PM
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I agree on the consequence part and have argued that on this board here before.
The difference is that neither Dabo nor the media publicly went after Chad Kelly. Who knows what conversations happened behind closed doors. But Herbie very obviously told Jackson that he needed to be quiet.
Jackson saying this is no worse than anybody at ESPN saying this. If Jackson shouldn't comment on who he thinks should be the starting QB, then nobody at ESPN should either.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:00 PM
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It's ESPN's job to make such comments. It's a recruits'/players' job to support their future staff. This argument really is "apples/oranges"
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:06 PM
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He is a fan. His opinion is just as valid as anybody else's. Just because OSU offered him a scholarship doesn't mean he should just shut up. I don't necessarily like any recruits or players speaking out publicly about our coaches or team, but I am not about to say that they should keep quiet.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:10 PM
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He isn't just a fan and yes he should just keep quiet. Someone should tell him so privately. Specifically a parent or mentor.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:21 PM
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I'll agree with half of that. Somebody should have quietly reached out to him. But Herbie was not right to do what he did.
But until he signs on the line, he is just a fan. The scholarship offers don't take that away from him. I understand that it is not the best look for him to say something that might go against his possible future coach and it might even create a rift in between them, but that is absolutely his right to do that. I would advise against it, and if it were my kid I would tell him not to. But that is not Herbie's place.
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Re: I disagree.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:26 PM
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Then we are in full agreement. My OP simply said that Herbie was right. I have never argued that it was OK for Herbie to say what he said nor have I argued that Carman shouldn't be able to say what he said. Neither should have tweeted either statement.
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Glad we've come full circle and can now focus on the important result
Sep 13, 2017, 4:32 PM
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OSU fans are publicly trashing Jackson, which should push him away from being a Bucknut.
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Re: Glad we've come full circle and can now focus on the important result
Sep 13, 2017, 4:41 PM
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> OSU fans are publicly trashing Jackson, which should
> push him away from being a Bucknut.
Plenty of OSU fans are brown nosing Jackson just like you. lol
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Nice pulse***
Sep 13, 2017, 4:50 PM
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Re: Nice pulse***
Sep 13, 2017, 4:52 PM
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You spend all day on here downvoting and upvoting comments, homey? You are so cool.
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Herbie loves him some TJ Barnett
Sep 13, 2017, 3:21 PM
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Why's he sticking up for that guy so much?
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So you'd join in and tell him what
Sep 13, 2017, 3:31 PM
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You think in 149 characters are less? If he was my son I'd cancel his phone plan and sell his phone and the next phone he used to tweet he would be paying the bill. The kid is being disrespectful and if he doesn't grow up soon I hope he stays away from Clemson.
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Re: So you'd join in and tell him what
Sep 13, 2017, 3:40 PM
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Well said.
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 3:34 PM
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We wouldn't have to worry about this at Clemson as there is a social media ban during the season put in place by the team leaders. If he broke that he would be disrespecting them and his team
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 3:48 PM
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Clemson works very hard to screen kids and monitor their social media and if a kid is going to be a distraction they go a different route. One player with a bad attitude can effect dozens of players. He's just not some high school kid he's been invited into Ohio State's locker room, practice, team meetings, and he's spent time with current players. If he doesn't know what he's doing is wrong I bet Coach Swinney will tell him. Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 3:55 PM
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Kid makes one tweet saying his "boy" should be playing and you say he has a bad attitude?
Ffs the nanci-ness that is going on in this world.
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 3:56 PM
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Says the guy who is uptight people are criticizing Jackson. You think free speech is a one way street.
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 4:53 PM
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And you make a lot of assumptions and have no reading comprehension.
On this post I was commenting on the over-reactions and thin skin people have in today's world.
I'm also not "uptight," but would like to point out that there are two sides and you are doing the exact same thing on yours, you get that right?
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 4:55 PM
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I never said Jackson can't make his comment. You and others are uptight about Kirk's simply expressing his comments about it, so much so you sneer at me that I have Kirk's bucknut in my mouth. You are a redneck.
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 5:01 PM
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Dude, you're really all over the place. Maybe take some time away from the screen and take a walk or something.
As I mentioned in a reply to your other post, I said "buckeye," and it was a response to your brown nosing statement.
I'm not uptight about what Kirk said, I just don't understand the outrage about what Carman said because it's not that big of a deal to me, and as I've mentioned Barrett was trash that game and has been for his last three games.
You are a dumb ####.
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 5:04 PM
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Says the guy that says 'dude' and has 8000 posts on here. Might want to take your own advice. Take a break from brown nosing teenagers.
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 5:06 PM
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I have 7,500 posts over a TEN YEAR SPAN.
Again, haven't brown nosed a teenager, since your sister anyways, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
Also, tons of people say 'dude,' maybe you should make some friends and try it out, ######.
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Herbstreit is 100% right. It's extremely idiotic for a
Sep 13, 2017, 3:56 PM
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recruit to call for their future college's QB to be changed.
The parents should be more worried about helping their son not embarrass himself.
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 3:57 PM
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Hey that's a good thing imo, means he got us in his mind and his comment might cause a rift between him and OSU who I think is our biggest competition in landing Carmen. So let all the O310 st fans start to talk crap about him and turn on him just going to push him into Clemson's Arms and we will accept him with open arms! This kid is a stud and will be the highest rated offensive of linemen clemson has ever signed if we land him. He prob will be a instant impact player for clemson and will be Hyatts replacement bc I'm willing to bet hyatt leaves early for the draft and sets up perfect for Carmen to come in and be a instant starter (if he is as good as his ranking indicates you never really know until they are on campus).
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I completely agree with Kirk here.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:05 PM
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I'm fine with his comment. I can understand if someone thinks he shouldn't call out recruits like that (although I disagree), but I definitely think it's a mistake to question the coaching decisions of your possible future coach. And please, everyone...freedom of speech does not come into play here in any way.
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Re: I completely agree with Kirk here.
Sep 13, 2017, 4:27 PM
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Consequences 'may' come into play, but freedom of speech isn't compromised. Herbie simply implored to 'think before you tweet'...maybe he should have...possibly he shouldn't.
Carman's still a kid...and a Buckeye fan with a friend on the team. He has a right to 'twitter' his mind...having a schollie offer in hand doesn't restrict that. It does, however, circle back to 'consequences' that could result.
I don't necessarily see a right or a wrong...just an 'is what it is' that will be dealt with in some fashion. However, tOSU isn't in a good spot with Carman at the moment. Also, as others have mentioned, Carman wouldn't be speaking up in Clemson's locker room and the public know about it. We might be asking why he's leaving the program, but wouldn't get many details.
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Re: Carman tweet
Sep 13, 2017, 4:57 PM
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Lol at Urban... not looking good in Ohio land, i guess Oklahoma gets another beat down this year.
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Sep 13, 2017, 5:19 PM
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He's a high school kid in the national spotlight. He's
Sep 13, 2017, 5:29 PM
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making himself look bad and OSU. If I was Oscar Meyer, his parent, or his HS school coach, I would instruct him to kindly shut his pie hole. He's reinforcing the perception that some of these elite HS players are WAY to big for their britches. I would like to think that if he were Dabo's recruit that he would be quiet. It's not about you son, you're a high school kid who happens to be a good athlete, but you are too immature to know what's good for you and when to shut your yap.
I coach high school kids and have one who is being recruited by several major D1 schools (ACC, Big 12, SEC, plus some smaller D1's) for track and football. His dad would shut him down very quickly if he handled himself this way. If didn't, I would.
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