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A look at Wichita St.
Jan 27, 2014, 11:27 AM
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Greg Marshall seems to be the hot name in the state of South Carolina these days. This is how he put together his #5 team.
Cleanthony Early - JuCo All American - second year in program, second year starting SR - 575 minutes
Ron Baker - Not Rated - RS Sophomore - 3rd year in program - 1st year starting - 618 minutes
Fred VanFleet - 4* PG - Sophomore - 2nd year in program - 1 year starting - 682 minutes
Tekele Cotton - Not Rated - Junior - 3rd year in program - 1st year as a full time starter (started some his sophomore year because of injury) - 628 minutes
Darius Carter - JuCo - Junior - 10th best Juco player in the nation - 1st year in program - Occasional starter - 355 minutes
Chadrak Lufile - JuCo - Sr - Occasional starter - 353 minutes
Nick Wiggins - JuCo - Sr - Bench - 326 minutes
Kadeem Colby - JuCo - Sr - Occasional Starter - 265 minutes
Evan Wessel - RS Sophomore - 3rd year in program - 270 minutes
So, just looking at this, Gregg is not a recruiting star. He is able to build his team around experienced JuCo players, with a mix of RS players in their 3rd year of the program. The best thing for Marshall is he is able to work on things and get players experience during the regular season, because his team hasn't played a BCS level team since Alabama on December 17. They have not played a ranked team all season.It's much easier to work players into the rotation against Indiana St on the road as opposed to U.N.C. on the road. Gregg Marshal has done a great job at Wichita St., but make him go through an ACC schedule, and make him recruit with academic standards, and he might not look quite as smart.
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Orange Blooded [2672]
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Based his whole system after Brad Stevens at Butler***
Jan 27, 2014, 11:30 AM
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But not his recruiting...at all
Jan 27, 2014, 11:31 AM
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Butler has much stricter academic requirements, and almost all of their players are straight out of high school.
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Oculus Spirit [96857]
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I think it works out better when your players are straight
Jan 27, 2014, 11:33 AM
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out of high school.
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Oculus Spirit [96857]
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True, in that scenario it's better if they're NOT straight
Jan 27, 2014, 11:37 AM
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out of high school.
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Re: Based his whole system after Brad Stevens at Butler***
Jan 27, 2014, 12:04 PM
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No, Marshall based his entire system after John Kresse who was at the College of Charleston from 1979-2001. Marshall was at the College of Charleston from 1988- 1996. 1996-1998 was an assistant at Marshall and 1998-2007 at Winthrop.
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Butler's first choice after Brad left was Brownell but his
Jan 27, 2014, 11:35 AM
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buy out was to high. Some people do not see what other people seem to know and that Brownell is a good coach, just has had a lot of bad luck so far.
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How has CBB had bad luck so far?***
Jan 27, 2014, 11:37 AM
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Oculus Spirit [96857]
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He accepted the head basketball coaching position at
Jan 27, 2014, 11:38 AM
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Clemson University HTH
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Clemson is a good job
Jan 27, 2014, 11:40 AM
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If you can survive the terrible fans that don't understand basketball and have no patience. Let's hope our A.D. is smarter than most posters.
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year 4 isn't enough patienc to @ least not get blown out
Jan 27, 2014, 11:45 AM
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on several occasions?
it's hard to imagine brad sold this plan to clemson when he interviewed for the job.
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To be fair
Jan 27, 2014, 11:46 AM
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It's possible that was the plan he presented but TDP slept through the interview. Just sayin'
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haha
Jan 27, 2014, 11:47 AM
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tru dat.
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Oculus Spirit [96857]
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Could we submit a FOI Request Form to get a copy of the
Jan 27, 2014, 11:48 AM
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PowerPoint?
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Duke still gets "blown out" occasionally ... was that part
Jan 27, 2014, 12:26 PM
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of "K"'s plan after a quarter of a century??
Seriously.
North Carolina still gets "blown out" as well. Was that something UNC expected when Roy the coaching prodigy came home?
We are talking about Clemson losing to logically teams that were already in the "loss column" before the season started.
Meanwhile the pre-season 13th out of 14 in the ACC has won 13 games and is still in the middle of things despite the losses.
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we're talking about being 4 years into a program not
Jan 27, 2014, 12:30 PM
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hof coaches with multiple championships & 900 wins.
it's a simple question that seems to irk some and no one in their right mind would think brad would have been hired if he would have lay out this 4 years ago.
i'm not calling for his head, simply suggesting that dismissing people as drew did is over the top.
there is reason behind people's frustration. good reason.
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Did you expect to beat Pitt and UNC on the road
Jan 27, 2014, 12:35 PM
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I didn't. Losing by 100 and losing by 1 is the exact same thing.
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only in the standings, not in this team's play. some teams
Jan 27, 2014, 12:37 PM
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could have forgotten about fswho, then pitt...
it's becoming habit, a bad one.
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It's the same thing in the win/loss column, but not when
Jan 27, 2014, 12:44 PM
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trying to determine where your program stands in relation to your peers, and what changes may (or may not) need to be made.
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So in relation to our peers:
Jan 27, 2014, 12:59 PM
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Better than:
Wake
G. Tech
V. TEch
B.C.
Miami
On par with:
F.S.U
N.C. St.
Notre Dame
Slightly behind:
Maryland
U.V.A.
Way Behind
Duke
Pitt
Cuse
North Carolina
I would say that is progress from last season, and we are returning all of our players (barring transfer) next season, so there is hope to improve further. We went from the cellar to mid pack. Next season I anticipate a move into the next category, and to narrow the gap between the top teams.
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Oculus Spirit [96857]
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That's a fair assessment, though based on our last meeting
Jan 27, 2014, 1:09 PM
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I'm not sure we're "on par" with FSU. It's the ugly blowout losses that seem to be most troubling....
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If those losses where happening at home
Jan 27, 2014, 1:14 PM
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I would be more worried. We are relying on players with little to no experience on the road in big environments. When things go wrong they get rattled. No matter how good or bad a coach is, they can't provide players with experience.
Keep in mind also that we don't even have the most experienced freshmen. For the most part these kids aren't coming from basketball factory schools and AAU programs. They are coming from smaller profile schools (like any player from South Carolina High School basketball). They are used to playing in half full high school gyms, and now they are at Pitt or at U.N.C. You could see how that might shake them up a little.
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Re: How has CBB had bad luck so far?***
Jan 27, 2014, 11:43 AM
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Eggsactleigh. It's not like he coaches in the most powerful basketball conference with fans that expect at least a .500 record every year or at least not lose 9 of 11 games to finish out a season. KEEP BROWNDRELL & GIVE HIM MORE MONEY!
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He just hasn't had a full roster yet
Jan 27, 2014, 11:39 AM
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Unless a player is exceptional, they shouldn't be playing big minutes until their junior year.
We have a bunch of inexperienced freshmen and sophomores playing huge roles on this team...and then we can't understand why we fall apart on the road.
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Inexperience does not explain last week's performance.***
Jan 27, 2014, 12:15 PM
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Yes it does
Jan 27, 2014, 12:19 PM
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It really helps to explain the difference between home and road performance. We get rattled, get out of our game, and start chucking up bad shots and turning the ball over on the road.
At home, or in smaller venues, we remain calm, and play our game for 40 minutes. We are relying on 2 juniors, and the rest sophomore and freshmen players with little experience.
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Wichita State.....wow...... Shocker
Jan 27, 2014, 11:38 AM
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2 in the taco
Jan 28, 2014, 9:34 AM
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one in the guaco
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Re: A look at Wichita St.
Jan 27, 2014, 11:46 AM
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He does it by getting his guys to play tough all game and defend well.
He also has 3 first round draft picks on his story at least.
That helps when you have the top 3 players in your conference if not 4.
Also Van Vleet is maybe the best PG in the country.
Marshall recruits well and coaches them up.
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Re: A look at Wichita St.
Jan 27, 2014, 12:11 PM
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> He does it by getting his guys to play tough all game
> and defend well.
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> He also has 3 first round draft picks on his story at
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> That helps when you have the top 3 players in your
> conference if not 4.
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> Also Van Vleet is maybe the best PG in the country.
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> Marshall recruits well and coaches them up.
Fills his roster with Junior college players and the academics at Wichita State are not the toughest around.
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3 first round picks? In the Croatian league or the NBA?
Jan 27, 2014, 12:48 PM
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I don't believe he has any 1st rounders on his team.
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Dude is clueless.***
Jan 27, 2014, 12:58 PM
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Wichita St. definitely benefits from favorable scheduling***
Jan 27, 2014, 12:05 PM
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Don't really know what to say about Marshall.
Jan 27, 2014, 1:18 PM
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Wichita State doesn't really play anybody, and honestly Marshall strikes me as a bit of an ubermegadoosh. Of course, I'd be the first to admit that this type of flashy panache may be exactly what our program needs. Marshall has kind of a slick, used car salesman aura, much like Barnes, Purnell, and, to an extent, Ellis. He is certainly not of the Brownell mold.
Like others have said, I just don't see why Marshall would come here to build a program at this point in his career. Furthermore, who out there amongst the potential "splash hire" types would even come here? I think that, like Marshall, someone like Shaka Smart is also a pipe dream...
Anyone know anything about Josh Pastner at Memphis?
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Pastner could not recruit here like he does at Memphis
Jan 27, 2014, 1:23 PM
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Let's just say that he recruits the dark underworld of AAU basketball where the ability to do things like read and stay out of jail is not taken into account.
Same thing with Frank Martin.
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"Doesn't play anybody"?
Jan 27, 2014, 1:33 PM
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While it's true in the MVC, he won't have quite the schedule strength of teams from the major conferences, but Wichita St. has some good wins. St. Louis on the road is an excellent win...also won at Alabama and beat Tennessee and BYU.
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Still, put him in the ACC
Jan 27, 2014, 1:45 PM
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and he doesn't look nearly as smart against that meat grinder of a schedule. I'm just not sure he is any different from what we have right now.
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Shocker!***
Jan 27, 2014, 9:23 PM
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Re: A look at Wichita St.
Jan 28, 2014, 12:24 AM
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and still made a great run to the final 4.... with quality wins over Pitt, Gonzag, and Ohio St.... No scheduling issue there.... Fair to say that Gregg gets as much out his players as anyone in the country....and I believe that "play angry" is his motto....
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