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Water heater update
May 23, 2018, 8:51 AM
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replaced the thermostats and elements yesterday, hooked it all back up, turned power back on, went to bed, no hot water this morning.
I rechecked all the wiring today and it was wired correctly. I used the multimeter and checked the power to everything again and it all seems to be powered.
Should I just give up and get a tankless water heater?
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Oculus Spirit [75719]
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Man, sell the joint while the selling is good.
May 23, 2018, 8:53 AM
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But maybe get a qualified repairman out to fix that.
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Did you push the red button after you finished up everything?
May 23, 2018, 8:53 AM
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I have no clue but whenever we had water heater problems my dad would send me under the house to push the red button.
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Maybe Germans
May 23, 2018, 8:54 AM
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But
Put milk in freezer
Replace with tankless
Use hot water to thaw milk
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Re: Water heater update
May 23, 2018, 8:56 AM
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replace with a gas water heater
Electric tankless probably sucks.
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Why not tankless gas?***
May 23, 2018, 9:07 AM
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If you don't have gas
May 23, 2018, 8:59 AM
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You probably don't have the electrical service to the house needed to run an electric tankless that's large enough. Those things require stupid amounts of electricity.
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wat?***
May 23, 2018, 9:01 AM
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110%er [7026]
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wat's the kwesion?******
May 23, 2018, 9:08 AM
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Oculus Spirit [78892]
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that's what my plumber told me also
May 23, 2018, 9:22 AM
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if you don't have gas, don't get a tankless water heater
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Oculus Spirit [81897]
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Yeah, I've thought about it, but I only have a 100A service
May 24, 2018, 11:41 AM
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to my house.
The sized one I wanted requires three separate 40A/3ph breakers to it. Technically it is step loaded and will only use element when needed, jump up to two if the inlet is colder and demand requires, etc.
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Instantaneous are maintenance ######
May 23, 2018, 9:05 AM
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They need constant attention, especially if your water has minerals.
They are also twice the price of a tank and if you're doing electric, they are energy hogs.
Instantaneous is only worth while with gas.
For electric, i'll wager you're short on power too.
2.5 GPM Shower Head
60°F Ground water
110°F Shower temperature
2.5 GPM x 500 x (110°-60°) = 62,500 BTU / 0.95% efficiency = 65,800 BTU Input
65,800 / 3,412 = 19kW Element
19kW @ 240V = 80 Amps => 100 Amp breaker
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This is the kind of info I'm looking for
May 23, 2018, 9:09 AM
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No gas line into our place so it would have to be electric. The current water heater is on a 240V circuit and it looked like a lot of tankless electrics used that as well.
In my readings this morning I have been learning that tankless electric can be pretty meh though so I am becoming less interested in that route.
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To compair.
May 23, 2018, 9:13 AM
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Your current water heater is most likely a 4.5 kw (kilowatt). The tankless would likely be at the very least 15kw, and you'll never be satisfied with it.
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Understood, I'm no EE so I'm glad I've got you people
May 23, 2018, 9:18 AM
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around to tell me how dumb I am.
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Probably would want the 27kW instant though. If he ever
May 24, 2018, 11:42 AM
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would want two showers going at once and someone to turn on a faucet.
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Re: Water heater update
May 23, 2018, 9:09 AM
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So you have voltage at the heating element, or at the thermostat?
If you have voltage at the heating element and it's not making the water hot, then there's an issue with the element.
If this is the case, disconnect the power, and read the resistance across the element.
Report your findings here.
In the mean time, take advantage of truck stop showers. I'm sure one of the manwhoars on here can point you to a good one.
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I have voltage at the element and the thermostat
May 23, 2018, 9:12 AM
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I'll have to work on this more tonight, but I'm not sure why the new elements would not have continuity.
I will be taking advantage of the YMCA showers as they are close to both work and home.
After last night's cold shower, I wasn't sure if my balls would ever descend again.
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Re: I have voltage at the element and the thermostat
May 23, 2018, 9:16 AM
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Not to insult your intelligence, but did you valve the water heater back on?
If you didn't, you don't have to admit it, just let us know that the problem has been solved.
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HA yes, I did, I would be getting no water from the hot
May 23, 2018, 9:19 AM
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handle if I did not correct? Because the tank would still be empty?
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Re: HA yes, I did, I would be getting no water from the hot
May 23, 2018, 9:23 AM
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If you have separate valves at your faucet, then yes, you wouldn't have any flow. If yours were like mine, with a single handle, you would have flow unless you went 100% to the hot side, and then you wouldn't have any.
Did you get the correct wattage elements?
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My faucets have separate valves so I think I have that part
May 23, 2018, 9:27 AM
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right.
If you had asked me this last night I would say I was 100% sure I got the right elements, but I'm second guessing many things right now so I will double check that when I get home tonight.
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well it's clearly a deflective part. Unless
May 23, 2018, 9:25 AM
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it's just some dumb thing that's so obvious you're overlooking it. At least, that's what it turns out to be when I repair something to worse broke than it was.
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That's where I'm at right now.
May 23, 2018, 9:28 AM
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Yesterday's water predraining and replacing parts was tepid, today's water is frigid.
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Quick question: What did you set your thermostat to?***
May 23, 2018, 9:41 AM
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They were on about 120 last night, I turned them up some
May 23, 2018, 9:48 AM
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today to see if that would help.
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If that doesn't then it's most likely faulty equipment***
May 23, 2018, 10:04 AM
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Cottam equipment shouldn't be faulty right out of the box***
May 23, 2018, 10:12 AM
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You haven't done much home repair have you
May 23, 2018, 10:14 AM
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I once purchased the pump on the dishwasher 3 times. 2 faulty right out of the box.
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Or maybe all of my home repair has gone well up to this
May 23, 2018, 10:15 AM
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point. Which it has, but you're right, I have not had too many projects yet.
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If you really want to check
May 23, 2018, 10:18 AM
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drain the water heater again, take the elements out, lay on something that won't burn/conduct electricity, then turn on the power and see if they get hot. It's not OSHA approved but at least you know.
Also, do NOT get a tankless water heater unless it is gas. Electic tankless are useless ##### that will kill your electric bill.
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I will not be running the elements out in the open
May 23, 2018, 10:21 AM
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I don't want to die or burn the place down. I will be rechecking to make sure there isn't a short in them somewhere. Tankless is pretty much off the table at this point. Between here and my browsing of the interwebs no one likes electric tankless.
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Na you'll be alright
May 23, 2018, 10:27 AM
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have somebody at the breaker box to shut it off quick
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Re: Na you'll be alright
May 23, 2018, 10:34 AM
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Just check the resistance across the element with your multimeter.
Power / Wattage (should be on the element, or package that it came in)
Voltage (220V)
Resistance = (Voltage x Voltage) / Power
The resistance that you read on the meter should be ballpark what you get from the calculation.
My gut tells me that the element will read open...
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Bookmarked to check math on later***
May 23, 2018, 10:38 AM
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Re: Bookmarked to check math on later***
May 23, 2018, 11:36 AM
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been a while since I did that job, but as I recall, it's
May 23, 2018, 9:43 AM
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generally the bottom element that fails. Maybe that's because that house had no water softener and a lot of lime that would build up in the bottom. But anyways, that's the symptom of the bottom one burning out. You can still have a short-term tepid water supply if the upper one still works.
so, yeah. You made it worser.
Last time I had a water heater issue, it was 15+ yrs old and the pressure relief valve was leaking. It was rusted solid and impossible to remove. I replaced the whole unit. They've got those new water line fittings that are easy to use and don't require soldering.
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I definitely made it worser, but I'm not sure how or why
May 23, 2018, 10:04 AM
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I made it worser.
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Pretty simple diagnosis, actually.
May 23, 2018, 9:27 AM
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Your hot water well has dried up.
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Re: Pretty simple diagnosis, actually.
May 23, 2018, 9:30 AM
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fill well casing with gasoline, light on fire, wait for chemical reaction to generate H20. Restart well. Add a few tsps of bleach to the well to kill the bad smells.
Enjoy your refurbished HWW (hot water well).
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No one has suggested burning down your place yet?
May 23, 2018, 9:33 AM
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Jounge is being so unhelpful these days
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Well, this isn't 2010. Houses sell in 15-20
May 23, 2018, 9:36 AM
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minutes these days, why burn an asset?
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this is truthy.
May 23, 2018, 9:53 AM
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realtor neighbor of mine said (a year ago) 'make sure you're packed and have a new place lined up before you list, cuz you gonna need it'
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Not for long though if interest rates keep climbing
May 23, 2018, 9:54 AM
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When they hit 5% buyers are gonna put the brakes on hard.
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yep, gotta expand my rental empire by then tho
May 23, 2018, 10:07 AM
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we bought new house in Dec @ 3.75%.
I feel like a wizard.
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Got our condo at 4 which I find to be pretty great
May 23, 2018, 10:12 AM
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I want to buy a house, but it probably isn't going to happen this year so we're probably gonna be ###### by next year interest ratewise.
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I wish I had that kind of money to throw around***
May 23, 2018, 10:17 AM
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Walking distance to The Clock and Wade Hampton High.***
May 23, 2018, 11:39 AM
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Wait are we talking about a hot water heater?***
May 23, 2018, 9:33 AM
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Get an ATV sprayer, fill it up with water from the hose and
May 23, 2018, 9:42 AM
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let it sit in the sun all afternoon. You'll have your hot water, and a convenient spray nozzle to shower off with.
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paint that tank black and you'll really be smokin'!***
May 24, 2018, 11:09 AM
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Re: Water heater update
May 23, 2018, 10:47 AM
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I didnt read the replies
did you put the covers on the outside of tank back on, on mine without the covers screws making contact the heater wouldn't work correctly.
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Good idea, but yes, I had them back on all night.***
May 23, 2018, 10:56 AM
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It is possible that the new elements were ruined...
May 23, 2018, 11:25 AM
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if you turned power back on to the unit before filling the tank up. Elements can burn up real quick on an empty hot water heater. No hot water to tell the thermostat to shut off so pop goes the brand new element. Ohm out the elements to insure they are still good, check wiring, and make sure the tstat didn't get bumped down to well below factory setpoint somehow.
Also, is it no hot water to all of the house or just one fixture? It is possible that part of the dip tube broke off and is effecting hot water flow, but that would typically only effect a single fixture. This is all I can think of right now. I will drink more beer and see what else I can come up with.
(Well unless the dip tube was really broken badly. Then it could effect flow to the entire house. But that would show up in your water pressure as well as temperature. )
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Re: It is possible that the new elements were ruined...
May 23, 2018, 11:31 AM
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That's surprisingly coherent.
Are you sure you weren't hacked?
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Re: It is possible that the new elements were ruined...
May 23, 2018, 11:34 AM
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I'm afraid that his alcohol tolerance is getting too high.
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Afraid or turned on?
May 23, 2018, 11:36 AM
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I'm glowing
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Re: Afraid or turned on?
May 23, 2018, 12:25 PM
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measure the resistance between your anus and penor.
report findings.
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Re: It's possible I was.
May 23, 2018, 12:25 PM
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There you go, back to normal.
You had me worried for a while.
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The water heater was full before I turned the power back on
May 23, 2018, 11:34 AM
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so I don't think that's it. I plan to check the resistance of the elements again when I get home to make sure they're ok. I turned the thermostats both up this morning in hopes that would help. They were both around 120 this morning prior to me turning them up.
There was no hot water at any fixtures today so I don't think it's a dip tube issue.
Thank you for your coherent response.
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Re: The water heater was full before I turned the power back on
May 23, 2018, 11:46 AM
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did you grease the ballcock valve?
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Did you check the lint trap?***
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First thing I did
May 23, 2018, 11:43 AM
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after putting the milk in the freezer
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"Aunt Bea, Call the man!"***
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sorry your water heater doesn't work but
May 23, 2018, 12:55 PM
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where did you finally find the breaker
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Outside, by the AC unit. Unlocked where anyone
May 23, 2018, 1:24 PM
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could eff with my power.
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All-TigerNet [12763]
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Yes
May 24, 2018, 11:10 AM
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That's what I'm waiting on.
Do you have continuity through the elements?
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All-In [45760]
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You should hire a real plumber....
May 24, 2018, 11:18 AM
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Instead of wasting your time asking these ######### for advice. And borrow money from Aero cuz he's rich. lol.
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All-TigerNet [10938]
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Frank Abagnale Solution
May 24, 2018, 11:37 AM
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1.) Find a buddy with a good 'Home Warranty' service.
2.) Take your broken water heater and swap it out with his.
3.) Call his home warranty folks and wait for repairman to tell you water heater is fubar'd and will have to be replaced.
4.) Once Home Warranty replaces his hot water heater with new:
a.) Put his old water heater back and take your NEW one home. Buy him a 15 pack of Keystone Light for his trouble.
b.) If he is a really good buddy, maybe consider letting him keep the new water heater and you take his old one.
5.) Would usually be 'Profit', but steps 1-4 involve way too much effort and BS, effectively cancelling out any 'Profit' derived.
6.) Continue showering at YMCA because lower water bill and you like it.
7.) Profit from step 6.
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Oculus Spirit [85339]
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MEGATHREAD LIVES***
May 24, 2018, 11:45 AM
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