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The Separation of Children and Familes is a new Trump Policy
Jun 19, 2018, 12:21 PM
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It is funny to watch Trump and his minions try to have it both way on the separating children at the border. It is obviously being done to motivate his base, but why are some acting like it is NOT a new policy? They want credit for ripping families apart, but don't want the blame. Weird.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-law-separate-families-passed-1997/
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Der Deutschland***
Jun 19, 2018, 12:30 PM
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Separating children and families is not new.
Jun 19, 2018, 12:54 PM
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Children have been separated from their families before Trump under certain circumstances, one of which is when the parents are criminally prosecuted. Until recently, relatively few illegal border crossers were prosecuted. Under Trump's "Zero Tolerance" policy, where every illegal adult crosser is prosecuted, many more families are separated than before.
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Because it isn't really even a policy
Jun 19, 2018, 1:30 PM
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It happens as a result of increased prosecution of adults entering the country illegally. That's the new policy, not the legal requirement that the children be separated from parents when the parents are being prosecuted. It seems problematic to me both that more children are ending up being separated as a result of increased prosecutions and that children can be used as a way to ensure you'll be released more quickly. However, it seems to me that the people entering the country illegally bear the greater responsibility for breaking the law, not agreeing to leave when prosecuted, and for not seeking asylum in other countries they've traveled through. Unless there's some reason to believe they're likely to face persecution in Mexico, the fact that they're seeking asylum here suggests they're economic immigrants.
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The new "zero tolerance policy" of the Justice Department
Jun 19, 2018, 1:46 PM
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The Trump administration has decided to refer every person caught crossing the border illegally for federal prosecution, a policy that could result in the separation of far more parents from their children at the border.
The move would also mean that even if immigrants caught at the border illegally have valid asylum claims, they could still end up with federal criminal convictions on their record regardless of whether a judge eventually finds they have a right to live and stay in the US.
Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen officially enacted the policy on [7 May 2018], according to a Department of Homeland Security official speaking on condition of anonymity. It corresponds with a Department of Justice “zero-tolerance policy” for illegal border crossings, under which Attorney General Jeff Sessions has ordered federal prosecutors to pursue criminal charges against all referrals for illegally crossing the border, as possible.
It's new policy.
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Like I said, child separation isn't a new policy
Jun 19, 2018, 1:55 PM
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It was never actually a policy, it was just a legal requirement under the Flores consent decree. As we both said, it's more likely to happen under the new "zero tolerance" policy, but it's disingenuous to say that child separation is a Trump policy.
As far as the rest of what you're saying, it's still a crime to enter the country illegally, whether you're an asylum seeker or not. Asylum seekers have a legal process they can go through. I don't see why a person with a legitimate asylum claim shouldn't still be responsible for entering the country illegally.
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100% correct.***
Jun 19, 2018, 2:18 PM
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Isn't the difference the breaking of the law?
Jun 19, 2018, 2:05 PM
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This is what Sessions somewhat clumsily was referring to with his Bible-quoting. If the law had been enforced from the start, then we likely would've had better processes already put in place for caring for the kids or would've passed other laws if we didn't think children should be separated at all. But by not enforcing the law, we end up with something that looks more arbitrary and cruel to many people. Too-frequent use of prosecutorial discretion can undermine both the law that isn't being enforced, and the law-making process that would be put into motion if people found the difference the law was making to be unacceptable.
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As you state, the law hasn't changed. The new zero
Jun 19, 2018, 2:19 PM
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tolerance policy is the difference.
Even Lindsey Graham has put truth to the lie: "President Trump could stop this policy with a phone call," Graham said. "I'll go tell him: If you don't like families being separated, you can tell DHS, 'Stop doing it.'"
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Separating children from families is not a new
Jun 19, 2018, 2:24 PM
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Trump policy. That is the point.
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Re: The Separation of Children and Familes is a new Trump Policy
Jun 19, 2018, 6:32 PM
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Hmmm, Maybe Schumer shouldnt have shot down the compromise Trump offered this time last year eh?
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