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Orange Blooded [4559]
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In-state basketball talent
Feb 13, 2017, 9:09 AM
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It's been argued that there isn't any basketball talent in SC. That simply isn't true. Not to mention current nationally ranked high schoolers Zion Williamson, Nick Claxton, Christian Brown and Devontae Shuler. Here are some native South Carolinians on major D-1 rosters currently:
Juwan Evans, soph. PG, Oklahoma State
Dante Buford, soph. SF, Oklahoma
Seventh Woods, fresh. PG, UNC
LJ Peak, junior SF, Georgetown
Tevin Mack, soph. SF, Texas
Deriante Jenkins, soph. SF, VCU
Sindarius Thornwell, senior SF, Coot U
PJ Dozier, soph. PG, Coot U
Justin McKie, junior PG, Coot U
Jordan Bruner, fresh. PF, Yale
Joseph Battle, fresh. SG, Tulsa
Matt Howard, senior SG, Brown
Austin Ajukwa, junior SF, UNC-Charlotte
Plus, they're many more at the mid major D1 level.
The past 4 years has been one of the best eras for D-1 HS hoops talent possibly ever in state, and it's only getting better.
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Re: In-state basketball talent
Feb 13, 2017, 9:13 AM
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Peak, Evans, Mack, Thornwell and Dozier are all pretty dang good ball players.
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Orange Blooded [4559]
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Our state is littered with the long, athletic 6'5-6'6 guys
Feb 13, 2017, 9:17 AM
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Sam Perry and Bryan Narcisse types.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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several problems here, and they're enlightening....
Feb 13, 2017, 9:48 AM
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what exactly would entice an in-state player to come to Clemson?
typically schools have some sort of history they can rely on,
and as we've seen with Coot football,
negative school history can overcome evev super-positive conference (SEC) history/brand.
of the ones on your list, Thornwell, McKie, and Dozier were never interested in Clemson.
Ajukwa left in part because of playing time issues.
7th Woods picked UNCheat over a passel of possibilities,
and we've been turned down by elite in-state talent (Brice Johnson) for UNC before, even as we thought we had him.
most of the others went to the Big XII - could it be that there weren't other good competing offers nearby,
or possibly were academic issues suggesting a move to a more lenient conference (XII)?
Likely a little of both.
and this completely ignores the issue of compatibility to the program's culture -
something Dabo is adamant about on the Football side.
Brand, my friend - Clemson has no Brand or history in basketball - none... zippo... nada.
Recruiting more definitively in-state could be one way to go...
but with the exception of ZW, there's no quick fix on that list... not even Thornwell.
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Orange Blooded [4559]
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Re: several problems here, and they're enlightening....
Feb 13, 2017, 10:01 AM
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Never once mentioned Clemson. Brownell's or his predecessors recruiting or lack thereof is another thing altogether. My argument is with some folks here who has said there's no talent here in South Carolina.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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I think if you'll re-read my post, I never mention Brownell
Feb 13, 2017, 11:33 AM
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either, only Clemson.
And since this is a Clemson BBall board, your comment should only have relevance if you're talking about Clemson, right?
You made a good point - HS BBall talent has improved since the 80's such that there is more
D1 talent available in the State now, though it's still not anywhere near North Carolina.
My point was that your list was generally non-relevant to Clemson, and thus this Board you might say,
due to several factors not specific to any one Clemson Coach or time period.
Those negative factors are institutional, and therefore very hard to overcome:
Clemson Brand and culture, ACC competition, historical preferences by the populace for other South Carolina institutions, etc.
South Carolina could be a veritable hotbed of BBall talent, and without overcoming some of those issues
it might not mean a hill of beans to Clemson.
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Re: what do you have against paragraphs? if you use them
Feb 13, 2017, 12:05 PM
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dont the terrorists win? 
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Did our staff even try to recruit any of those players?
Feb 13, 2017, 10:40 AM
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Seems we've had a "why even bother with it" approach to recruiting under this regime.
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Re: Did our staff even try to recruit any of those players?
Feb 13, 2017, 10:53 AM
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If I recall, we went after Evans, Woods, Mack, and Jenkins. Bruner shunned us for Yale towards the end.
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Thornwell also***
Feb 13, 2017, 12:35 PM
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Re: That is one sad track record of failure.
Feb 13, 2017, 4:56 PM
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So after you are shown you were wrong you decide to yet again attack the staff instead of admitting that you were in fact wrong....
Great job.
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Re: That is one sad track record of failure.
Feb 14, 2017, 6:50 PM
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Really? Why do you say that? If you look through our history not one coach was able to keep all the top talent in state. That goes for our in state rival too. It is sad and maybe some other coach could've dine better, but no coach has done it so far.
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No, our coaches are morons and don't care.
Feb 13, 2017, 3:57 PM
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Of course we recruited those guys. Some were not interested, and others had us in their final group of schools. I don't understand why you and others here think that our coaches just don't try or care when it comes to recruiting. They do.
I can guarantee you that most top recruits, even those who have us on their final list, ultimately decide against us for one or more of the following reasons:
1. Poor basketball facilities.
2. Poor basketball tradition.
3. Mediocre fan support.
4. Inconsistent administration support.
One of these four has already been addressed (facilities). Our facilities now allow us to have recruits on campus to see what a wonderful environment they could play in, practice in, workout in, and meet in. Prior to this year, our facilities really hurt us when being compared to others in the ACC. Clemson fans like to blame our coaches or the fact that we are a "football school," but the poor facilities have been a huge reason why we haven't had much recruiting success.
Now, with that said, there is a perception that Clemson's administration and fans do not care enough about basketball. This is understandable, because an administration and fan base that cares would not allow for outdated facilities and half-empty arenas to happen. However, my hope is that the new facilities show recruits that we do care about basketball. A strong basketball program can coexist with a strong football program. There is no reason for it to be either-or, and my challenge for a lot of Clemson fans is to get over the idea that supporting basketball like crazy somehow makes us less of a football school.
If the administration truly supports basketball, then they will fire Brownell after this season (barring a miracle NCAA Tournament run) and go after a proven winner for our next coach.
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Re: No, our coaches are morons and don't care.
Feb 13, 2017, 4:02 PM
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I agree with everything you said, and I would add to it by saying that kids want to go somewhere to get exposure. I realize mostly everyone here is die hard Clemson and only thinks of college sports, but these kids want to go somewhere that is proven to produce NBA players. And playing prime time games and big rivalries, the chances to be seen and known, and even in the running for a national player of the year, etc. And that could happen at Clemson, but its way more likely to happen at a school where you are surrounded by proven coaches and elite talent in the rest of the starting lineup
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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the Judge calls it tradition - I call it Brand....
Feb 13, 2017, 4:48 PM
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and Clemson has none.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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perception, my eye... most "fans" wouldn't know any
Feb 13, 2017, 4:47 PM
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of Clemson's ACC basketball history:
guys like Butch Zatazelo, David Angel, Stan Rome, the Mahaffey brothers, et al.
No they think Oliver Purnell walked on water,
or vaguely remember Cliff Ellis.
Then they get on here and B&M because their ego is hurt we don't win more....
seriously, Clemson fans need to shut up, show up, raise the roof up,
and after 3 consistent years of doing that - regardless wins and losses -
if things aren't any better,
then just ask if there's anything else they can do.
Otherwise, stay the hail out of the BBall program...
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Re: perception, my eye... most "fans" wouldn't know any
Feb 13, 2017, 4:57 PM
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I think your keyboard is malfunctioning. It seems to be randomly hitting enter.
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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nah...
Feb 13, 2017, 4:58 PM
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nothing random
about it.
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Re: nah...
Feb 13, 2017, 4:59 PM
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Oh it 100% is random. There is no school that ever teaches a line break after a comma.
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110%er [6692]
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Re: nah...
Feb 13, 2017, 5:41 PM
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But, if he does the line break after every punctuation symbol would it then be "random?" I mean it looks more like a pattern to me, which is quite the opposite.
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Re: nah...
Feb 14, 2017, 9:32 AM
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Except he doesnt do it after every punctuation see the line "seriously, Clemson fans need to shut up, show up, raise the roof up," as evidence.
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Re: nah...
Feb 14, 2017, 10:29 AM
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Yeah,
he did it after the comma,
which is a punctuation.
hth
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Re: nah...
Feb 14, 2017, 10:37 AM
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You said "every" HTH...
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We could use Ajukwa still at Clemson.****
Feb 13, 2017, 6:20 PM
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