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I am done...i am a lifelong SC fan but after seeing Hopkins
Sep 3, 2012, 11:54 AM
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getting baptized I am done pulling against Dabo. He and his staff are reaching young men for Christ.
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Re: I am done...i am a lifelong SC fan but after seeing Hopkins
Sep 3, 2012, 11:59 AM
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life lessons are as important as football lessons. Nuk and Sammy both accepted Christ during the fall football season. I know there were some others also.
Way to lead these young men Dabo
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Bless you "jamiegarner" for fantastic post & feelings. UR OK
Sep 3, 2012, 12:02 PM
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And, best of luck to your #####...til they come to DV.
GoTiGERs!
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Oculus Spirit [90820]
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Ooops...that's "jamie gardner"...with a "D" so excuse Me!
Sep 3, 2012, 12:03 PM
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Ha!
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Re: I am done...i am a lifelong SC fan but after seeing Hopkins
Sep 3, 2012, 12:02 PM
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And they all go to Dabo's church? hmmm...sounds like proselytizing to me? Tell me? Why are football players not allowed to attend the church of their choice? There are plenty of them in Clemson.
Are other players who don't go to Newspring looked down on? Do they get adequate playing time? I know Bowden made negative comments directed towards two assistants who weren't Baptist(Burton Burns and Jon Lovitt) and then tried to laugh it off.
I guess freedom of religion doesn't matter in Clemson. Yes, I know let the attacks begin. GO TIGERS!
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would burning witches on fridays before home games
Sep 3, 2012, 12:05 PM
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be over the top?
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only if they float ...***
Sep 3, 2012, 12:35 PM
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who are you that are so wise in the ways of science?***
Sep 3, 2012, 2:17 PM
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Re: who are you that are so wise in the ways of science?***
Sep 3, 2012, 7:49 PM
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reps for the MP references...
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So many flaws in your aurguement
Sep 3, 2012, 12:12 PM
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1. No evidence Dabo is forcing them to go to only his church, I'm sure he invites them with open arms but not forcing them.
2. you don't have any evidence that it plays a factor in PT.
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Legend [15216]
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The majority of Clemson students go to Newspring. Some also
Sep 3, 2012, 12:12 PM
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attend Crosspoint and Clemson Pres. But I can assure you that they aren't "forced" to attend there. It's just where "everyone" goes.
Not many black people go to Crosspoint and Clemson Pres either. I'd say that if you polled what church students attend, over 50% polled would say Newspring if they attend church.
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So NewSpring is a fad...
Sep 3, 2012, 12:26 PM
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and people go there because "it's the cool place to go". And no, MOST Clemson students DON'T go to NewSpring. There's no way NewSpring has 8000+ members. I don't understand the fascination with all these right-wing non-denominational "churches". Maybe people like easy answers and don't want to think in church. Plenty of students attend the "mainline" churches too. It isn't all about the right-wingers.
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we all know that the other students who don't attend News...
Sep 3, 2012, 12:32 PM
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...pring are not REAL Christians. LOL!
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That certainly appears to be the attitude...
Sep 3, 2012, 12:37 PM
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of many of the right-wingers. According to them, "real Christians" attend right-wing churches. If you aren't one of them, then you don't count.
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Re: That certainly appears to be the attitude...
Sep 3, 2012, 12:41 PM
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Where do you hear this from? I don't attend a church like Newspring but I've never heard anything like that from my friends that do?
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I was told that years ago...
Sep 3, 2012, 12:45 PM
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because I'm a member of Fort Hill Presbyterian, I'm not a "real Christian".
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Re: I was told that years ago...
Sep 3, 2012, 12:48 PM
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Who told you that? No church is perfect. There are uneducated people everywhere, and in every church. Whoever told you that was wrong. I went to NewSpring while I was a student at Clemson, and NEVER thought that about students who went to other churches. It was the right fit for me.
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Re: I was told that years ago...
Sep 3, 2012, 1:12 PM
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I went a few times when I was a student and realized it wasn't for me but Clemson First Baptist was.
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Re: I am done...i am a lifelong SC fan but after seeing Hopkins
Sep 3, 2012, 12:13 PM
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You need to ask those questions to the players if you really care about the answer. Clemson students and basketball players, football players from Clemson were going to Newspring before Coach Swinney joined Newspring. Newsprings focus is on young people they have a lot of older members, but Perry Noble will tell you his focus and the churches focus is on getting young people to Christ.
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Re: I am done...i am a lifelong SC fan but after seeing Hopkins
Sep 3, 2012, 12:22 PM
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Isn't NewSpring non denominational? If Dabo had an ulterior motive to his choice of church, why would he choose a non denominational church? Churches such as NewSpring are supposed to appeal to a larger group of believers, so it seems it would make sense for more players to go there than any other church.
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I would bet you it is THEIR choice and no one
Sep 3, 2012, 2:08 PM
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forces them to go anywhere. Dabo is a leader - we don't play follow the last guy - these boys, many of which have never had a strong father figure in their life, for the first time, meet grown men who show them emotion - affection and discipline. These young men in turn want to make these men proud of what they are doing. I like it!
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Sorry but when members wear shirts saying I LOVE MY CHURCH
Sep 3, 2012, 12:10 PM
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it seems like they have their priorities in the wrong order
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I wear an 'I love my tigers' shirt....***
Sep 3, 2012, 12:13 PM
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Re: Sorry but when members wear shirts saying I LOVE MY CHURCH
Sep 3, 2012, 12:18 PM
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The shirt is a conversation starter. It leads to the question, "Oh, where do you go to church?" or "Why do you love your church, what's that shirt all about?" which can begin the process of leading someone to Christ. To love one's church means to love Christ, I don't think priorities are out of order in this situation.
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The Holy Spirit leads people to Christ, not individuals.
Sep 3, 2012, 12:20 PM
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Expert [1716]
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You would really hate the evangelism groups the church is
Sep 3, 2012, 12:23 PM
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about to start. How dare Christians believe that evangelism is apart of the Christian walk.
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I don't hate anything or anybody...
Sep 3, 2012, 12:25 PM
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...I just don't believe religion should be used as a recruiting tool but again, it is the South where fried chicken, sweet tea, and the King James Version alone reigns. I get it!
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110%er [5249]
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Neither should discounts at hotels
Sep 3, 2012, 12:50 PM
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But if it's what the kids are concerned with, why wouldn't you say "You're a religious person, you say? Well, I'm sure there's a place here where you can continue to practice as you like"
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Re: The Holy Spirit leads people to Christ, not individuals.
Sep 3, 2012, 12:25 PM
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People are facilitators in leading others to the Holy Spirit. Ever heard the term "fisher's of men". It is the ministry's job, as people, to lead others to Christ, lest we would have no churches and everyone would come to Christ, or not, on their own accord. That's not how it works my friend, people exist to spread the word of God and lead others to him.
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yes and 38,000 different denominations later.............
Sep 3, 2012, 12:27 PM
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.....you still argue among each other. MY GOD CAN BEAT UP YOUR GOD! LOL!
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Re: yes and 38,000 different denominations later.............
Sep 3, 2012, 12:36 PM
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I think you've missed the point.
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All-American [567]
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^^^agreed
Sep 3, 2012, 12:53 PM
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besides, the church is the bride of Christ. I'll happily wear a shirt that says I love Christ's bride.
and the point has been belabored, but players aren't forced to church, and its silly to say it factors into PT. Just asinine, you're fishing for confrontation.
Clearly, if there was something grossly wrong with the church, it wouldn't have reached so many, wouldn't have 9 campuses and 20K plus attend weekly, and 30K plus attend holiday services. Sure I can admit the church isn't for everyone, but it sure works for a LOT of people. You should simply be pleased people are being brought to the light in a way that speaks to them.
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GREAT POINT no wait - people are filled with the Holy Spirit
Sep 3, 2012, 2:10 PM
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and if those people never told anyone about it then that would mean .....oh no......people would never hear about it.......Proverbs says "He who wins souls is wise". Quote is from God so don't hate me.
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The "Church" = God and fellow believers.. Our brothers and
Sep 3, 2012, 1:28 PM
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sisters in Christ. The Church is not a building or any other material thing(s).
So when you see "I love my Church", understand that they are talking about their family.
Just thought I'd clarify. As a former Agnostic, this type of language went over my head- Back when I was lost in my own ignorance and selfishness.
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Re: I am done...i am a lifelong SC fan but after seeing Hopkins
Sep 3, 2012, 12:10 PM
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Thank you for your post. There are more important things in life than football. We need more leaders setting the example and giving kids the foundation they may not have gotten at home.
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Re: I am done...i am a lifelong SC fan but after seeing Hopkins
Sep 3, 2012, 12:11 PM
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There are so many differences between Clemson and SC. This being one of them.
Heritage vs wannabe
Class vs none
Rank of the education itself
recruiting a better brand of athlete (not just sports based)
keeping commitments in recruiting (aka - Clemson honoring commitment due to medical issue - SC pulling commmitted recruits scholorships the day before signing day.)
Family feel vs groups of people.
Coaches you respect vs ones that use Greenville for a toilet.
Teams that have discipline vs ones that allow players to run the school (arrests -etc.) All teams have players who do silly things - the question is - what do the schools do about them? aka - Garcia and all the arrests - coaches - etc.
I guess each of us fits somewhere - as for me and mine - there is no place like Clemson.
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Re: I am done...i am a lifelong SC fan but after seeing Hopkins
Sep 3, 2012, 12:15 PM
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you forgot another one. cult vs open mindness.
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Family atmosphere? What was it called when Danny was winning
Sep 3, 2012, 12:17 PM
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LOL!!!
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Re: Family atmosphere? What was it called when Danny was winning
Sep 3, 2012, 12:20 PM
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As that was the era when I went there - I can speak to that. I went to Clemson due to that family feeling. Family feeling is not just about a sports team - it is about the university.
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I'm not the one proselytizing.
Sep 3, 2012, 12:33 PM
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Re: I am done...i am a lifelong SC fan but after seeing Hopkins
Sep 3, 2012, 7:34 PM
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The biggest difference to me is an average of -21 points over the last three LONG years. Do you think Rev. Perry can help Dabo with that? If so, I'm "all in" with Newspring.
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"Prosperity Gospel" at its finest.
Sep 3, 2012, 12:22 PM
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Re: The Holy Spirit leads people to Christ, not individuals.
Sep 3, 2012, 12:23 PM
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Didn't help in my situation when I was young.....felt pressure and guilt from peers, family etc.
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Re: The Holy Spirit leads people to Christ, not individuals.
Sep 3, 2012, 12:26 PM
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There is that. Heck, I know atheists who makes better Christians than some self professed Christians.
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time for a name change
Sep 3, 2012, 12:47 PM
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from:Tigers4life
to: Tigers35%life
such a sad person
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20,000,000 for his church or himself?***
Sep 3, 2012, 12:34 PM
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What is so funny about this conversation is that
Sep 3, 2012, 12:39 PM
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This is the exact same one the players may end up having...scary thought....could get nasty....ughh
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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College students should argue about politics and religion
Sep 3, 2012, 7:48 PM
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with their friends. It's part of the experience.
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huh? Joe, I believe you'd argue about anything***
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Very happy for Hopkins, and very proud of Clemson.***
Sep 3, 2012, 12:47 PM
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This is one smart Coot, he makes a great post knowing it...
Sep 3, 2012, 12:49 PM
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will lead to a religion argument that divides Clemson fans
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They really shouldn't make any recruiting accusations***
Sep 3, 2012, 1:13 PM
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cult
Sep 3, 2012, 7:39 PM
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Check closely. this religion is a cult.
no intelligent person shives a git
they try to indoctrinate the children. why else, all those busses in front of the church
Go Darwin rah rah rah
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Welcome SC fan-Tiger fans please take your religious
Sep 3, 2012, 7:44 PM
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debate to the lounge.
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