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Rock Defender [53]
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GITT If you believe climate change is a hoax
Jun 1, 2017, 3:36 PM
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You're a ####### moron.
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Re: GITT If you believe climate change is a hoax
Jun 1, 2017, 3:37 PM
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Here and accounted for.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Avatar checks out.***
Jun 1, 2017, 3:37 PM
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in fairness
Jun 1, 2017, 4:02 PM
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old pawterski cant be on the list 2x.
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anyone who doesn't believe climate changes
Jun 1, 2017, 3:40 PM
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is an idiot.
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Re: anyone who doesn't believe climate changes
Jun 1, 2017, 4:30 PM
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great clarification there. nice work
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Re: GITT If you believe climate change is a hoax
Jun 1, 2017, 3:40 PM
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All-TigerNet [12851]
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did "we" cause the ice ages to end and glaciers to retract?
Jun 1, 2017, 3:40 PM
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if so, YAY US!
do I think the climate changes? Yes
Do i think that man is the sole source? no
Humans have always had a grandiose opinion of ourselves and our ability to control the world.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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you obviously are
Jun 1, 2017, 3:43 PM
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a fudgin idiot - some robert character
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Rock Defender [53]
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I'm good. I'd rather listen to people who actually study
Jun 1, 2017, 4:12 PM
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it for a living.
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All-TigerNet [12851]
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it was a pro-climate change video....one of your kind
Jun 1, 2017, 4:15 PM
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it just boiled it down to the real issue, which has nothing to do with Science.
Someone (economists) are deciding how much you and I need to pay
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Rock Defender [53]
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His problem with the deal is about emissions and
Jun 1, 2017, 4:24 PM
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fuel economy standards. Goals that are easily attainable.
Fighting back against them is his method of satisfying mostly conservative males who have been wavering in their support lately. There's a reason he set this as a press conference.
Distract from Russia. Appease the base. Change the subject.
We've got until 2020 before anything really changes. I guess we should be asking what Pence thinks about it.
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Re: His problem with the deal is about emissions and
Jun 1, 2017, 4:34 PM
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"Fighting back against them is his method of satisfying mostly conservative males who have been wavering in their support lately."
robertn® can you show proof of this? I am not so sure you didnt pull this one out of your butt. The Conservative American male isnt wavering unless they live in NYC, SF or LA....more than likely. THe recent swing in Republicans taking over Governorships, State Legislators is HUGE. I just cannot believe this statement. Wavering means R's would be losing seats due to this HUGE base wavering.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Wavering based on lack of enthusiasm. Didn't say they
Jun 1, 2017, 4:38 PM
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wouldn't be dumb enough to vote for the guy again.
And there's a correlation between being a white male conservative and denying climate science. If you claim to know a ton about the issue, and fall into that same category, you're even more likely to be in denial.
And a 39% approval rating this quickly into a presidency, probably means you're losing some of your base.
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Re: Wavering based on lack of enthusiasm. Didn't say they
Jun 1, 2017, 4:42 PM
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Polls mean nothing after this election. Thats for certain, so you can stop posting errant poll numbers. Not trying to be rude, just honest.
No one I know if wavering. Either they dislike him or they dont. Its pretty simple and cut and dry with Trump. I never had that harsh of a feeling of Obama. I liked some of his attributes, but mostly disliked him. Never wavered on where I stood.
I dunno, 2018 is shaping up to be another bloodbath for Dems, especially when they are trying to recruit the likes of Jerry Springer to run for Governor.
I just cant believe your statement without some solid evidence. We will agree to disagree.
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Rock Defender [53]
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So if polls aren't valid, and all the people you know
Jun 1, 2017, 4:49 PM
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haven't changed, what are you looking for as evidence?
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i said watch the video from Bloomberg / not article***
Jun 1, 2017, 4:30 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Sure. Let's have the debate about the best way to solve
Jun 1, 2017, 4:41 PM
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it, while saying it doesn't exist and there's no way to stop it if it did.
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Looks to me like he's just pointing out potential
Jun 1, 2017, 4:46 PM
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financial motivators for pushing the agenda, which in turn is met with snark and dismissal. So who isn't wanting to have a debate?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Why do anything if it's not real?***
Jun 1, 2017, 4:49 PM
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Why does skepticism automatically make one pro pollution?***
Jun 1, 2017, 4:53 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Because most of the skeptics are pro pollution, they just
Jun 1, 2017, 5:01 PM
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don't realize it.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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This is a mindset pretty indicative of not wanting to have
Jun 1, 2017, 5:11 PM
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any sort of debate. Guess it makes it easier to dismiss the criticism and skepticism.
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Rock Defender [53]
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The debate should be over how to fix it, not if it exists.
Jun 1, 2017, 5:16 PM
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If we could make it through a thread on here without 70% of posters dismissing what is in essence an existential threat to humanity as fake news, then a productive conversation could be had.
In TP20's OP in this thread, he admits he doesn't believe it's real.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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If I began the conversation with the assumption
Jun 1, 2017, 5:59 PM
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That you were just anti economy and pro wasting money, how productive do you think the conversation would end up being?
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Rock Defender [53]
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If I began a conversation by saying that your
Jun 1, 2017, 6:09 PM
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comparison would hold up.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Doesn't matter whether you say it or not
Jun 1, 2017, 6:17 PM
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If that's what you believe to start off with there's no point in discussing the topic with someone who has a differing take.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I'm just saying it's not productive on here. And that I
Jun 1, 2017, 6:19 PM
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don't care to discuss solutions to problems with people who don't think the problem exists.
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This is a hella long thread for not caring to discuss it***
Jun 1, 2017, 7:07 PM
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i think the President's words speak to the video
Jun 1, 2017, 4:50 PM
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'This agreement is less about the climate and more about other countries gaining a financial advantage over the United States,' Trump said.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I don't believe that is his motivation.***
Jun 1, 2017, 4:51 PM
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All-TigerNet [12851]
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you calling it a hoax?
Jun 1, 2017, 4:54 PM
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but thats what he said!
you cant call something a hoax if I have "proof" to back it up
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Rock Defender [53]
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I'm calling Trump's intentions misleading.***
Jun 1, 2017, 4:55 PM
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Oculus Spirit [93673]
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I had an argument with someone here about the increase of...
Jun 1, 2017, 4:25 PM
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man's knowledge and understanding of science. According to the numbers which I presented here with sources to support the factors, multipliers and calculations we found some interesting results.
The way we view the science of 4000-6000 years ago is the way our science will be viewed within this century. An example of that is to review the understanding of gravity before Newton. Smoke rises because that's where it belongs and rocks fall to earth because that's where they belong.
I'm guessing Archimedes who explained gravity in that way was hailed as a great scientist. We certainly are full of ourselves, our accomplishments, our understanding of everything within the scope of science both as individuals and collectively as mankind.
I thank My God, the Lord Jesus Christ, that He is able to love me despite my pride.
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Re: GITT If you believe climate change is a hoax
Jun 1, 2017, 3:42 PM
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Re: GITT If you believe climate change is a hoax
Jun 1, 2017, 3:43 PM
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that was me this past weekend....
Jun 1, 2017, 3:53 PM
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wait, how did you know that?
weird ####, man
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I think we can all agree that the climate is dumb.
Jun 1, 2017, 3:53 PM
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And science. Science is dumb.
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Can you imagine if it was actually a hoax?
Jun 1, 2017, 4:00 PM
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I mean first of all, how would that many people be able to keep it a secret? We're talking thousands and thousands of people. Secondly, how does it work when climatology PhD students reach the point where they're told it's all a big lie? Do they start getting suspicious and then their professor pulls them aside to reveal that it's all a big bullshit hoax to rake in those sweet grant dollars and the student is like, "Oh ok. Cool! I'm in!" Third, this can't be the only branch of science that's peddling hoaxes for grant dollars, right? What other fields do we need to be suspicious of (besides evolution and dinosaurs, of course, because they're obviously fake).
As Maynard James Keenan once said, I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied: Learn to swim.
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Rock Defender [53]
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But Rush and Hannity make jokes about it and they
Jun 1, 2017, 4:06 PM
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gave me my worldview.
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We now have two things in common with Syria.
Jun 1, 2017, 4:08 PM
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1) Not participating in the Paris Climate Accords
and
2) A Putin-puppet President.
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Rock Defender [53]
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But hey, now we have something in common with
Jun 1, 2017, 4:12 PM
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Nicaragua too.
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Re: But hey, now we have something in common with
Jun 1, 2017, 4:15 PM
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they pulled out because it was not stringent enough
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Let's eliminate all confusion about this topic.
Jun 1, 2017, 4:14 PM
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That doesn't mean everyone who believes in climate change isn't an idiot.
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Re: GITT If you believe climate change is a hoax
Jun 1, 2017, 4:49 PM
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Can we believe in climate change and also admit that some of the "predictors" haven't done us any favors?
My point is when someone makes a prediction and it doesn't even come close to being true, i can't really blame people for second guessing if climate change is happening at all.
I believe man made climate change is real, i see it firsthand but i also believe some go a little too far with the fear mongering.
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That's fair.***
Jun 1, 2017, 4:50 PM
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Re: That's fair.***
Jun 1, 2017, 4:52 PM
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And of course, i get the emails, etc making points that we can't even get a one day forecast correct.
LOL
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Check out the front page of the weather channel....
Jun 1, 2017, 7:07 PM
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Re: Check out the front page of the weather channel....
Jun 1, 2017, 8:43 PM
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I prefer either of these front pages since I work there.
Can't be caught with the weather channel. ??
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Re: GITT If you believe climate change is a hoax
Jun 1, 2017, 8:40 PM
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let's start with mar lago
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I don't see how its possible for scientists to be so
Jun 1, 2017, 4:58 PM
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confident that they know for sure recent climate change is chiefly due to human beings.
There are so many thousands of variables that we don't fully understand. I think all the climate change momentum is a clear case of scientism.
I mean, we know for a fact that climate change is natural. And we do NOT know for a fact all the extra-terrestrial factors involved in our climate. We barely even understand the surface of the Sun.
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I still haven't been persuaded that man is causing it.***
Jun 1, 2017, 5:02 PM
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What would persuade you?***
Jun 1, 2017, 6:43 PM
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Re: What would persuade you?***
Jun 1, 2017, 7:05 PM
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More evidence
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I wonder what the comparison is between...
Jun 1, 2017, 6:44 PM
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those who believe man isn't causing climate change and those who don't believe in evolution (and I'm including macro and micro evolution because they are the same thing)
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I'm sure there is a strong correlation between the two along
Jun 1, 2017, 8:01 PM
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with those who believe in supply side economics and wonder whether or not smoking causes cancer.
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