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Disappointed in Herbstreit.....Been a huge fan of his, but
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:22 AM
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last night it was clear that he was SEC all the way; at least imo.
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Hall of Famer [22412]
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I don't know where y'all come up with this stuff.
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:26 AM
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When I watch games, I just enjoy the game. I don't remember ever thinking during a game, in a any sport, that the announcers were biased (unless, of course, they were the home team announcers).
If you go to an Auburn board right now, I am almost sure you'll see someone talking about how biased the announcers were toward FSU.
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Ring of Honor [26086]
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Because I've watched Herbie enough to know his
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:28 AM
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demeanor. He was excited when Auburn would score, and then when FSU ran that kickoff back, it was like a "Oh sh*t" demeanor.
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Hall of Famer [22412]
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Well, I didn't watch the second half, so I can't speak to it
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:34 AM
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I just see this after almost every game it seems like, and it always puzzles me.
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Ring of Honor [26086]
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It was painfully clear as it was with Millen calling our...
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:37 AM
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I mean Clemson's game.
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Athletic Dir [857]
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Just because he may have wanted Auburn to win...
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 12:58 PM
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,which I you really can't be sure of, doesn't mean he was pro SEC. Maybe he had a bet on Auburn. Who knows?
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All-In [32052]
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(1) This is not an FSU bored. We are a little more unbiased.
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:31 AM
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(2) I herd Musberger say stuff like, "FSU hasn't seen anything like this SEC defense" or something to that effect.
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Hall of Famer [22412]
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Is that not true?
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:33 AM
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They played one other SEC team, and certainly, Florida did not play them as well as Auburn did in the first half. (I am almost sure that quote probably came from the first half.)
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He said they hadn't seen that good of
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:40 AM
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a defense in the ACC.
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From what I saw in the first half, they hadn't.
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:43 AM
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In how many other games were they held to 3 points in the first 25 minutes? Later on, Auburn showed that their defense wasn't all that great, but in the first half, that was the best defense played against FSU all year.
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All-In [35505]
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Well Chris, Boston College had them 17-3....***
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:54 AM
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Orange Blooded [3657]
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That doesnt help the SEC prop, so you wont hear it!
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 9:55 AM
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Even Famous had to tell them that post game!
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Florida's defense is better than Auburns
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:41 AM
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Its been Auburns problem all year long. To me it isn't due to a bias, but just lazy. Instead of actually doing some prepwork and calling the game, he just credits Auburn by default of being in the SEC. If anything it short changed the work that Auburn's defensive staff did in getting prepared. They played way above their head in the 1st half and that was against the best offense they faced all year.
They couldn't sustain it though.
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Hall of Famer [22412]
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I agree Florida's defense is better overall than Auburn's.***
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:44 AM
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Hall of Famer [22412]
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By the way, "a little more unbiased"...
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:35 AM
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Have you seen this board this morning, or last night? It's like an anti-Auburn pep rally.
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Ring of Honor [26086]
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You sound butt-hurt too, coot.***
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:38 AM
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All-In [32052]
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There are quite a few people on here who were pulling for
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:38 AM
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Auburn (GWPCoot among others). So it's not 100%.
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Hall of Famer [22412]
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Certainly, but to say that this board is even a little bit
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:40 AM
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unbiased is ludicrous. Not that the board should be unbiased. I was wanting FSU to win a little, but if I were a Clemson fan, I would have wanted them to win a lot more.
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Re: Certainly, but to say that this board is even a little bit
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:59 AM
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> unbiased is ludicrous. Not that the board should be
> unbiased. I was wanting FSU to win a little, but if
> I were a Clemson fan, I would have wanted them to win
> a lot more.
Why? WE have to recruit against them, I did not want either school to win.
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Hall of Famer [22412]
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That's great, but you are in the minority here.***
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 9:01 AM
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Amen. They were just applauding the team winning at the
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 9:46 AM
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time. When FSU was coming back in the second half, they were all over FSU's nuts.
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That turncoat, low-life! (You DO know that he's from Ohio...
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:44 AM
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...the same O-H-I-O that we just beat in the OB? And he was strangely Q-U-I-E-T during our game. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.)
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You can take the boy out of Ohio, but you can't take O-H-I-O
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:56 AM
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out of the boy.
I realize it's debatable whether GWPCoot is, in fact, a boy, but you get the point.
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Re: That turncoat, low-life! (You DO know that he's from Ohio...
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 11:03 AM
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He also picked Clemson to win
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Re: (1) This is not an FSU bored. We are a little more unbiased.
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:47 AM
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All those S O Bs work both sides of the fence constantly. I think they use that scenario to appear to be non bias. But one would have to be mighty ignorant to not see who they are truly siding with. The side that the Ban wagoners jump on from one day to the next. The ESECPN employees are just like the coots, they fly the flag of what ever sec team that is winning at the moment.
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This made me laugh.***
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 9:44 AM
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Legend [19241]
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Prod, how dare you! You know very well that it is our
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:34 AM
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solemn duty to listen carefully to every word spoken by these moronic announcers...in order to have something to rag about on TigerNet.
In the fiasco last night, the ESPN boys outdid themselves, especially ole Brent who had his head so far up Auburn's rear ends that a powerful come-along would have been necessary for extraction...the result of which would have been "Sh*t on a Prick!" lol
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I'm surprised at you hartins.
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 11:53 AM
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Way-ta-take da-gloves off and thro da haymaker!
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Orange Blooded [4174]
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LOL. I guess when you are retired you can start
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 12:56 PM
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drinking any time of the day you want. Good Juan.
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110%er [5986]
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If you didn't hear the SEC bias last night you must have
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:39 AM
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had the TV on mute. I was also surprised at Kirk and Brent but I'm sure they were just doing what they are told.
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Hall of Famer [22412]
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I watched the first half, and I honestly cannot tell you one
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:42 AM
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thing either of the announcers said. I mean, I listened, but I didn't analyze it in my head whether or not they were using the same tone when Auburn scored as FSU, etc.
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Ring of Honor [26086]
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If you've watched/listened to someone for many years,
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:44 AM
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you don't have to analyze it. It sticks out like a sore thumb when they're not their normal self.
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Orange Blooded [3657]
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When they say "Auburn is built like a ACC, Big12, PAC team"
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 9:59 AM
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then I will buy your argument. They never will.
SEC was defense, then suddenly this year offense. Didn't matter with the change, they still called them SEC.
That's the problem, its not about the team and styles, its about pushing a conference!
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All-TigerNet [11226]
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Hey !! They even promoted their SECPN Network
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:44 AM
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during the commercial breaks ! How dare they !!
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Re: If you didn't hear the SEC bias last night you must have
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:58 AM
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I wonder about that, are they really!!!
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All-Conference [408]
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Prod, after an AU player laid a good hit on an FSU player
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 10:04 AM
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he said something about "SEC defense", clearly inferring that SEC defenses are the cat's meow.
The SEC as a whole played TERRIBLE defense this year. Auburn's defense was about as good as Clemson's defense....not very good.
So why would a top professional make that mistake? Simple bias based on perception tied to the fact that ESPN promotes the SEC because they have broadcast rights to their games.
I'll concede that the SEC has the most good teams (3-5 each year) of any conference. But the other 7 or 10 routinely suck or are mediocre.
For further reading, look up Bob Stoops' comments from a few days ago.
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Hall of Famer [22412]
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The SEC led the nation in fewest points allowed per game
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 10:38 AM
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In non-conference games (FBS opponents only).
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Re: The SEC led the nation in fewest points allowed per game
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 11:04 AM
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Dang REALLY lol
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And everyone knows the $EC played the nation's toughest
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 11:08 AM
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out-of-conference schedule.
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Hall of Famer [22412]
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Well, according to my ratings, they did.
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 12:22 PM
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SEC non-conference opponents had a higher total win percentage than the opponents of any other conference (again, FBS only). SEC non-conference opponents were a combined 322-240, a .573 win percentage. Next-highest is .559, by the ACC opponents.
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Orange Blooded [4787]
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but WHO did they beat ? jeez, that stat is about useless.
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 12:31 PM
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everyone knows the sec defenses, as a whole, were way down, from what they had accomplished the last few years.
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Hall of Famer [22412]
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Do you have any statistical evidence for that?
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 12:34 PM
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I am not comparing SEC defenses year, to year, by the way. I am posting statistical evidence that the SEC, on aggregate, was the best defensive conference in college football in 2013.
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I think you're not paying attention. One example was after
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 1:09 PM
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Auburn made a big play. Mussberger said, 'that's Auburn, from the S...E...C!"
You don't think ESPN would promote/hype the conference it's put so much investment in!?!?!?
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Legend [19241]
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Not as bad as ole Mooseburger, who waxed all evening
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:26 AM
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on Auburn's "SEC toughness."
Next time Mr. Brent stops by the Esso Club, someone please give the man a sandwich made from crow meat...triple decker would be in order....
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On Auburn's first play from scrimmage, after an 8 yd
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:36 AM
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gain, he said something to the effect that Auburn proved it could run against this FSU D. Second play; no gain and no comment.
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Even near the end when it finally looked like FSU
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:37 AM
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would win, he made the comment that Auburn should be proud that they came so close to beating such a heavily favored team.(Never followed up on the oft-mentioned report that Auburn was waiting to lay it to FSU in the fourth quarter).
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Legend [19241]
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Well, my Friend, as we know, "close" doesn't count in
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:40 AM
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football. It's the final score, and FSU had the most points.
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Kirk didn't seem as bad as Burnt Cheeseburger...
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can't believe that comment, "FSU has not seen an SEC defense like this" or whatever.
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I thought Herbie was fairer than Musberger
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:28 AM
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... or was Musberger actually Herbie? - Did you hear Musberger introduce himself as Kirk Herbstreit last night?
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I heard that.***
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Re: Disappointed in Herbstreit.....Been a huge fan of his, but
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Brent was even worse! they were pretty open during the Clemson UGA game! but last night was pretty bad. ( Brent must have said Auburn and the SEC 20 times!) someone needed to tell him it was just AU vs FSU. the love fest was SICK!
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Can't agree with this. Herbstreit called a very good game
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 8:29 AM
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in my opinion. I didn't detect any bias from him.
I do think Musberger got a bit swept up in the Auburn story. I give him a pass on that. They were taking it to FSU and their story this year is nuts.
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They were ALL AWFUL, even Musberger was spewing the $EC
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garbage! It was amazing how Auburn went from $EC ready, to young, back to $EC TOUGH, back to young......yet another ludicrous, excuse making pile of crap!
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Re: They were ALL AWFUL, even Musberger was spewing the $EC
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It's amazing that you guys are slamming these two????
They love Clemson (both of them) and have proved it many times. Who gives a crap about SEC vs ACC All I care about is being fair to Clemson!!!!!
You will be hard pressed to find two that are more fair to Clemson than those two. (FACT)
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Ring of Honor [26086]
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I agree with you, but last night it was very clear that
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 11:14 AM
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they were either influenced to push the SEC or Musberger had a few too many. And for whatever reason, Herbie seemed a bit butt-hurt when he realized FSU was going to win.
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Herbstreit was more impartial than Musberger IMO***
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The best announcing team ESPN has is Nessler and Blackledge
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They are the most professional and least biased I have heard.
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They are indeed the best pair.***
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I didn't hear bias in his voice, but I was pulling for AU***
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They work for ESPN-SEC what ya expect!nm***
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Not to be so obvious....***
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Exactly...
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they can at least pretend to be objective and unbiased.
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But not nearly as bad as Musburger - he was.......
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totally biased in favor of the SEC IMO.
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Re: But not nearly as bad as Musburger - he was.......
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Re: Disappointed in Herbstreit.....Been a huge fan of his, but
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Yep. Totally in the tank for the SEC.
It is clear to me that these guys have been flat-out told by executive management at the four letter network that they better espouse the corporate line (ie. SEC, SEC, SEC) or look for employment elsewhere.
Remember, ESPN stands for Entertainment, Sports, Programming, Network. They are not, and have never claimed to be, unbiased journalists. They have made a business decision (a bad one IMO) that adopting the SEC has their lead product is in their financial best interest.
A couple of seasons of other conferences (hopefully ACC) teams winning FB natty's and they will drop the SEC like a hot potato.
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Wrong
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 9:57 AM
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Herbstreit hates the SEC. It goes all the way back to his days at OSU. I think he (along with Pollack) usually does a pretty good job of keeping it neutral
Brent on the other hand was doing some serious SEC-pumping
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I'm going to believe that Herbstreit is a HUGE closet
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 10:55 AM
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Clemson fan and may just be upset at FSU still lol
Musberger definitely sounded genuinely excited for AU though...
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Really??? I love Herbie and never picked up on that at all
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 11:05 AM
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I thought it was Musberger who was pushing the SEC stuff.
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My personal favorite...after the win
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Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 11:46 AM
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Jimbo modeled this program after the sec
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Re: My personal favorite...after the win
Posted: Jan 7, 2014, 1:22 PM
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didn't y'all know...?!
ANY team that does ANY good or even BEATS an $EC team has "modeled" their program after the great $EC team's defenses & offenses (which ever side is playing better)...
If we'd beaten the lameclucks they'd have said the same about us!
now, on to Herbie & Mussty...
they MOSTLY treat us impartially & fairly, however not COMPLETELY or always, it's only when it's gameday here because they love our school & tradition & campus.
otherwise they like to use us as an example of underachiever, such as mentioning FSU thrashing us at home multiple time during the game & pregame.
they are both in the same boat with the $EC, even though many times Herbie seems more reluctant to paddle with them & more likely to follow behind in the dingy or life-float.
they are all guilty of putting an $EC label on anything good in football & tout their teams as one perfect team within a conference who is dominant over ALL football programs, even when they're incorrect & don't give examples to back it up...plus most everyone knows that it's simply not the case, other than the top teams that have those 7 consecutive titles (now failing...). it is what they do & these "other than $EC teams" have to win 1st to prove it, yet many times that doesn't stop the SE"P"-pumping & they'd rather make an excuse for the $EC teams rather than give due credit to a non-$EC team, thereby invalidating all of their repeated & only partially founded $EC praises & chants.
did anyone hear Herbie when FSU scored & even before they'd reviewed the obvious great run-up-the-middle TD, he was claiming that the player was down waaaay back there at the 2 yardline & his knee had touched??? (but it wasn't even close). When they actually backed it up & saw it was completely legit, he said not one word! not correcting himself or giving credit or anything...just silence of disappointment. Add to it all the blatant $EC a$$-kissing & comparisons to "SEC SPEED" & "SEC DEFENSE", then whether you're biased or not it is obvious which side of the fence they are on & it ain't right on top mind you!
ESPN = SEC...that much is simple! And until they stop comparing any other non-$EC team schools having success with a generic "SEC-type" team, without naming a specific example & not just a conference as a whole...their bias is a proven fact & is unfounded in the manner they portray it. that, my tiger-striped furry friends, is bias at it's best...ESecPN bias & it won't quit until we other beat them up more regularly like what happened last night! ;-]
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