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As if on cue, same five SCOTUS judges
Jun 29, 2015, 7:54 PM
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today decided a Texas law made it too hard for a woman to kill her child.
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Or, granted a stay.
Jun 29, 2015, 7:55 PM
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Wonder how many children's blood will be on those 5 justices hands during this "stay".
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Re: Or, granted a stay.
Jun 29, 2015, 10:30 PM
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None, since a fetus is not a child.
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Re: Or, granted a stay.
Jun 30, 2015, 4:10 PM
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if we passed laws that made it as hard to buy a gun in Texas as it were to get an abortion, there would be massive civil unrest wearing cowboy hats
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Re: As if on cue, same five SCOTUS judges
Jun 29, 2015, 8:32 PM
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Prod,
Since you are so passionate about the subject, why don't you be a real man and go down to the abortion clinic and tell a rape a victim how she should be required to give birth to her rapist's child because it makes you feel uncomfortable.
Who gives a #### about her though right?
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Re: As if on cue, same five SCOTUS judges
Jun 29, 2015, 10:06 PM
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He should offer to adopt.
He still never answered my question in regards to their souls.
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Why don't you go down there and tell the child
Jun 30, 2015, 5:07 AM
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that it doesn't deserve to live, because his father is an evil rapist?
The rape victim should get all the help she needs. Every single thing that can be done for her, should be. Her rapist should be executed, in my opinion. But don't take it out on the innocent child. It has nothing to do with me being "uncomfortable". It is about a child's life.
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Re: Why don't you go down there and tell the child
Jun 30, 2015, 8:52 AM
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Well you, the bible, and science disagree on when a fetus becomes a child.
What are your thoughts about it going straight to heaven when being aborted instead of risking being born into an environment where the risk of it going to hell for eternity is about 90%.
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That's mighty Machiavellian.
Jun 30, 2015, 9:31 AM
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The answer to your question is this: murder is wrong.
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Re: That's mighty Machiavellian.
Jun 30, 2015, 11:24 AM
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I'm trying to get you to explain to me how this murder is wrong? Is it just because its murder?
The benefit is having a soul going straight to heaven without risking eternity in hell and the sufferings of this world. Where's the down side to this?
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Murder is OK?***
Jun 30, 2015, 11:31 AM
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Re: Murder is OK?***
Jun 30, 2015, 11:35 AM
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How in this instance would it not be....the soul would never have to enter this "horrible" world. Why risk an eternity of hell for 80+ years on earth? The soul could go straight to Heaven.
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Have you run that past your diety?
Jun 30, 2015, 3:22 PM
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Mine doesn't approve of taking a life, much less that of the life of an innocent.
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Re: Have you run that past your diety?
Jun 30, 2015, 4:12 PM
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it is still OK to wait 18 years and send them into the desert with an assault rifle?
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Not imo.***
Jun 30, 2015, 4:54 PM
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Re: Well, if I have to explain why murder is wrong...
Jun 30, 2015, 11:35 AM
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Why would you not want the soul to go straight to heaven?
You ok with souls going to hell?
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Re: Well, if I have to explain why murder is wrong...
Jun 30, 2015, 11:36 AM
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In this instance...the murder is better than the soul going to hell.
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Or, here's an alternative...
Jun 30, 2015, 11:41 AM
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You allow the child to live, train him or her to love God and trust Christ so they go to heaven, then also allow him or her to impact the world in a positive way, helping even more to go to heaven, that may have missed their chance if the child wasn't allowed to live.
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Re: Or, here's an alternative...
Jun 30, 2015, 11:49 AM
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"train him or her" lol. So indoctrinate them just as you've been.
Here's the thing....Christianity is losing....which means your God is losing....WAY more souls are going to h3ll each year than they are going to heaven...according to the Christian way of getting in.
There are billions of more souls in h3ll than there are in heaven....how is this Gods way of winning? It doesn't make any sense. Maybe your God is satisfied with a low percentage of souls he created getting back into heaven with him after he sends them to earth to live in a place that the chance of them being a Christian is small.
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It's not a game to "win" or "lose".***
Jun 30, 2015, 11:51 AM
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Re: It's not a game to "win" or "lose".***
Jun 30, 2015, 11:54 AM
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Well then its not really going that great for Christians or your God.
BILLIONS are in your hell.
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Re: It's not a game to "win" or "lose".***
Jun 30, 2015, 11:59 AM
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I'm not trying to be a di## here...I've always enjoyed your posts.
I'm just trying to get from a Christian perspective how is it good that there are billions of more souls in the Christian h3ll than the Christian heaven?
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Who said that's good? That's absolutely tragic.***
Jun 30, 2015, 2:15 PM
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Re: Who said that's good? That's absolutely tragic.***
Jun 30, 2015, 2:58 PM
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From a Christian stand point, I agree. You'd think God would have a problem with it and do something.
The problem I see is that many Christians believe its the end times.....so that means that more souls will be in h#ll than heaven once the world ends.
So in the end...the Devil gets more souls than God? Wow! Horrible design. Tragic indeed.
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The devil gets nothing.
Jun 30, 2015, 3:03 PM
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He gets the same fate as the people in hell, no difference.
God has a huge problem with it. He is not willing that any should perish. And he did do something. He did everything. With a love unfathomable, He gave His most precious possession, His only begotten Son, so that we, though utterly undeserving, can go to Heaven.
The question is...why do people still choose to go to hell, when God has, in infinite love, given them an opportunity not to?
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Re: The devil gets nothing.
Jun 30, 2015, 3:20 PM
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For many of the billions they are born to a part of the world that doesn't believe that way and its just not taught. How is that right for them to go to h3ll?
Others that may have heard it may have different levels of comprehension and different life experiences that causes them not accept it. A lot of these things are out of their control and are what they were born with or into....they didn't choose all this so how can they choose eternal life?
For me, if it actually exists, it will be given even if we deny it or don't accept it. That's true grace.
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Good luck.***
Jun 30, 2015, 3:26 PM
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Re: Good luck.***
Jun 30, 2015, 3:28 PM
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Lol well I said the magic prayer when I was in the 3rd grade. So I'm at least covered.
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As you can probably attest, the prayer did nothing for you.
Jun 30, 2015, 4:18 PM
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No one ever went to heaven because they prayed.
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Re: As you can probably attest, the prayer did nothing for you.
Jun 30, 2015, 4:20 PM
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So when I said the prayer to accept Jesus in my heart that didn't do it? Or do now I have to go out and actually DO things too?
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Re: As you can probably attest, the prayer did nothing for you.
Jun 30, 2015, 4:29 PM
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And I do plenty to serve others and try to live a good life....so I've done both. Am I not in? Or does my lack of not caring whether its true or not now send me to h3ll?
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Only one thing sends a person to hell...
Jun 30, 2015, 4:51 PM
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That is their rejection of the Jesus Christ and his sacrifice for their sin.
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Re: Only one thing sends a person to hell...
Jul 1, 2015, 10:05 AM
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I don't reject it....just claim not to know.
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Re: The devil gets nothing.
Jun 30, 2015, 4:14 PM
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funny, I do not see the devil mentioned much in our laws.
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That's who gets all the powers not given to the states.
Jun 30, 2015, 4:43 PM
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You know this stuff, man.
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Re: Why don't you go down there and tell the child
Jun 30, 2015, 9:38 AM
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It's hard to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
This sort of logic will only be met with explanations that require olympic level mental gymnastics to comprehend.
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How can you tell
Jun 30, 2015, 12:28 PM
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an unborn child anything? The woman has every right to an abortion if she chooses that route. Religious freaks should keep their nose out of it (pretty good pun).
Go Tigers, protect women's rights, avoid freaks who don't.
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Yes, since 1973, every woman has the right to kill their
Jun 30, 2015, 2:18 PM
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unborn child. I don't consider myself a "religious freak," but I will unabashedly stand up for the rights of those most innocent and most helpless, the unborn.
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So when, in your opinion, is it
Jun 30, 2015, 2:19 PM
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just killing a human?
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If it is born,
Jun 30, 2015, 2:40 PM
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it is a baby and should be treated as such.
Again, it is a woman's right is her right to decide, not someone else, like the dude who started this thread. A typical religious male who thinks that he is a master of women (I still call such a person a freak) Women own there bodies, no one else.
Go Tiger women, you own your body.
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Yeah.. As usual, We're going to have to agree to disagree..***
Jun 30, 2015, 2:43 PM
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I wouldn't have any other ace. At least you are not
Jun 30, 2015, 4:16 PM
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confused like my silly stalker. I am truly blessed and very content. I have the ability, with little or no effort, to educe strange responses from him. Sometimes he lies, then calls me the liar. Other times he cites imaginary things that I post. I would like to help him, but he refuses to cooperate. Poor soul, I hope he finds a way to recovery.
Go Tigers, recover quickly from any flaw.
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Yes, own your body. Don't worry about
Jun 30, 2015, 2:47 PM
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that child living inside. Go ahead and suck its brains out...it's taking up valuable space in your body, after all.
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????????????????? I have never
Jun 30, 2015, 4:45 PM
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had a baby in my body. Whatever possessed you to post that radical religious babble?
Go Tigers, be able to distinguish male from female.
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How is what I said any different from when you said...
Jun 30, 2015, 4:55 PM
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"Go Tiger women, you own your body."
I guess my reply should have been.
"??????????????????? I have never been a Tiger, or a woman."
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I have no idea what you are or what sex you are.
Jul 1, 2015, 4:52 PM
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I'm a male Clemson graduate (Tiger) that does not try to interfere or preach to women about what is best for them. They know. A woman (Tiger or not) has a right to do what is correct for herself. Nosy, overly religious males, unless they is are OB-GYNs, have no clue about what is good for a woman. They look silly trying to run their lives.
Go Tigers,
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I don't know much about women. I just personally believe
Jul 1, 2015, 5:26 PM
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killing children is wrong. I don't think men should kill children either.
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So you're on record supporting abortion up until the baby...
Jun 30, 2015, 3:00 PM
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is born? Just want clarification so you won't accuse anyone of telling a "lie" later.
I've never met or personally heard of anyone that held this position, so it's a first for me.
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What's the point.
Jun 30, 2015, 4:49 PM
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Anybody who reads half of his post knows that he either is a senile old coot, has a selective memory, says whatever sounds good at the moment, lies habitually or all of the above.
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He asked me when it would be murder,
Jun 30, 2015, 4:05 PM
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smartass, that was my answer to his question. Your reply was something entirely different, as always. Late term abortion is very dangerous for the mother. It would be foolish for a woman not to have her abortion, if SHE wants it, in the first trimester. Your usual attempt to reword meaning is silly and immature. Go bother someone else with your silly crap please.
Go tiger women, stick by your convictions, ignore silly immature questions.
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This was for the bilious and confused flow.***
Jun 30, 2015, 4:19 PM
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Re: ok...so clear it up for us...
Jul 1, 2015, 7:37 AM
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That is a question to be answered by a woman and her OB-GYN after consultation. Not by me, and certainly not by a pushy potty-mouthed Rep that I do not trust.
Go Tigers, trust me, I love you.
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Got it, so abortion up to the point of birth should be....
Jul 1, 2015, 8:06 AM
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legal in your view.
Fair enough...thanks for at least answering a question somewhat straightforwardly.
I will tell you, that that's a pretty radical position...even outside of the mainstream of the dem party.
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I posted no such thing, that's a faulty intrepretation. I
Jul 1, 2015, 4:08 PM
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accept the woman-physician diagnosis. I also implied that their decision is not debatable by devious Reps. who choose to make their own cockamamie conclusions. You don't have the training or ability to interfere. I expect other denials, lies and misinformation from your potty mouth postings.
Go Tigers, take good care of your bodies.
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I didn't see anything to interpret.
Jul 1, 2015, 4:37 PM
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You said "if it is born, it's a baby"
What is to interpret?
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Sir, you can't lie...what you posted is right above....
Jul 1, 2015, 4:46 PM
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the questions were clear and your responses were clear.
You said the choice in late-term abortions should be between the mother and the doctor. That directly equates and is the same thing as believing late-term abortions should be legal. There is absolutely no other way to interpret it.
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I made no post (I cannot say anything here) about a 3rd
Jul 1, 2015, 5:02 PM
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trimester, you compulsive liar you. Show me or cease this stuff. You are incapable of judging me. I bid you and your mislead friends a good day.
Go Tigers, be truthful.
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wow...here you go....
Jul 1, 2015, 5:16 PM
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I asked:
"are you for or against late term abortions being legal? "
You replied:
"That is a question to be answered by a woman and her OB-GYN after consultation. Not by me, and certainly not by a pushy potty-mouthed Rep that I do not trust"
Previous to that you were asked by ShawnC:
"So when, in your opinion, is it just killing a human?"
You replied:
"If it is born, it is a baby and should be treated as such. Again, it is a woman's right is her right to decide, not someone else, like the dude who started this thread. A typical religious male who thinks that he is a master of women (I still call such a person a freak) Women own there bodies, no one else."
So...there is no way your comments can be misconstrued. But, if you think they have, then answer this very simple question:
[Preface...we're not talking about in the case of an abortion done to save the mother/when the mother's health is in danger and late-term means after 20th week of gestation]
Do you think late-term abortions should be legal? (yes or no)
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Hey-zeus Christy you are a weird one***
Jul 1, 2015, 11:03 AM
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There's no moral justification for that exception.
Jun 30, 2015, 12:11 PM
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If you start with the premise that abortion is murder, you can't justify exceptions like that.
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I think it might lessen the opposition to abortion.
Jun 30, 2015, 2:19 PM
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I won't justify it and I'm sure Prodigal feels the same. Many American fight just to be identified with one group or the other. I think some might drop out of the issue on the conservative side.
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This is where I run into a wall on abortion
Jun 30, 2015, 2:25 PM
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I can certainly see the crux in the incest/rape instance of abortion.. It is however ending a life regardless of the situation...
Not to mention the fact that less than 1% of abortions are done because of these reasons..
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Re: This is where I run into a wall on abortion
Jun 30, 2015, 3:06 PM
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It is however ending a life regardless of the situation...
And, if you add the premise that the life of a fetus is as valuable as the life of an adult human, you see why rape/incest isn't a justifiable exception.
Thus, logically there are really only two options:
Either...
1) Abortion isn't murder, or
2) Rape/incest isn't a justifiable exception.
We can complicate the issue by considering a fetus at various stages of development.
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Fair enough.
Jul 1, 2015, 9:30 AM
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Perhaps a better wording would be: If a female ought NOT to be able to murder her child at any stage of fetal development, and if the act should be treated like the murder of an adult human, then there is no justification for the rape/incest exceptions.
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Oculus Spirit [93672]
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I understand the liberal position on abortion.
Jun 30, 2015, 2:30 PM
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I think abortion is sin. I'm not about to throw that in someone's face. We sinners know that we are sinners and need only The Holy Spirit to point that out. That's because no one else can approach with the same attitude and perspective outcome.
I think legislating morality is wrong. Understanding and agreeing with Prodigal's position that murder makes it impossible for me to put abortion in the same category with the legislated morality issues. Pot, acid, drinking beer, #### sex, and anything else that harms only the person doing it.
To add insult to injury to fundamental Christians is the fact that most abortions are paid for with our tax money. Making someone a party to something they believe is d-a-m-n-able is wrong.
How would you feel if tax money was used to fight against taking down the flag, black's civil rights or gay marriage? I try to view a situation from other's perspectives. Give it a try, how bout it?
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Shocking that they
Jun 30, 2015, 11:26 AM
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Follow the same ruling on these laws that they made in the past.
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I'm definitely the opposite of shocked about this.***
Jun 30, 2015, 11:34 AM
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These bills were purely for appearance
Jun 30, 2015, 11:40 AM
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They were DOA as soon as they were passed.
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That is the pro-choice narrative, yes
Jun 30, 2015, 11:59 AM
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The only reason they would be "DOA" is that people who support easy access to abortion argue that, because it would be difficult for them to meet the standards the people think they ought to meet, it might become more difficult to access abortion. And them having to spend more money to make their clinics safer is, of course, another impediment to access.
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When you have people who write the bills
Jun 30, 2015, 12:07 PM
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Saying it is about limiting abortion access and not safety, that's probably what it is about, unless you the the width of hallways is a huge safety issue. It appears that the pro-choice narrative was right.
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The width of hallways actually is a pretty big issue
Jun 30, 2015, 12:25 PM
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The width of hallways in hospitals is regulated because of the need to move various equipment and in cases of emergency. Maybe there's some question about whether abortion clinics need to worry as much about their space as hospitals and other medical clinics, but it seems like there's good reason not to just let abortion clinics get away with the minimum in terms of safety.
I don't know what was specifically said, but I can see someone saying that the law was mostly about limiting abortion if they believed that the clinics that would have to close because they couldn't meet the law's standards were unsafe to begin with.
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Cam, seriously man
Jun 30, 2015, 12:29 PM
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You and I both know this isn't about safety, and is about the strategy to systematically limit abortion through regulation. It's incredibly transparent. It's not a bad strategy, but it has yet to pass the smell test when it gets to the courts...which is why it was DOA.
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It might not be about safety in the intentions
Jun 30, 2015, 2:27 PM
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But if there are legitimate mandates that are in-place that the abortion clinics aren't following than it is a safety issue.
Just because their intentions are about access doesn't invalidate the contentions.
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It's not that they weren't following them
Jun 30, 2015, 2:35 PM
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It's that they came up with a new set specifically aimed for the clinics not to be able to comply.
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I don't really think that was the intention, either
Jun 30, 2015, 2:40 PM
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Although, knowing that those clinics care more about making abortion easy to access than making it safe, putting tighter regulation on them will naturally make an abortion harder to get.
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What you're selling Cam
Jun 30, 2015, 3:13 PM
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Is that a bunch of anti abortion people got together to write a law and said, you know what were ok with abortion now, we just want to make it safer?
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Except it wasn't "DOA"
Jun 30, 2015, 2:42 PM
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In fact, the challenge had to go all the way to SC because other courts disagreed with each other. Even the SC could only come to a 5-4 decision, and all they did was issue a stay.
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