The University of North Carolina...

Aug 15, 2012, 10:59 AM

Personally, I hope (as does all of State College I'm sure) that this UNC alleged academic fraud comes to an enormous head, and that UNC gets a modern-day Warren Commission style investigation for it ---- that results in severe penalties.

Why so bitter you ask? Well let's see...First there are the basic facts:

1) John Swofford is the ACC Commissioner. He is the onlycommissioner of a conference that attended (and graduated - assuming he did not partake in fake classes as well) a member university within the conference he/she resides.

2) John Swofford was the Athletic Director at UNC during the 80's.

3) UNC/Swofford were the ring-leader in making sure the Clemson Tigers did not attend a bowl game in 1984. The NCAA had put us on probation for the 1982 and 1983 seasons. The ACC (minus UMd and Wake) decided we needed that EXTRA year of sitting it out. *** This is part of what makes for a great read in Larry Williams new book about The Danny Ford Years. Ford hated all things Carolina, and while on probation, his teams took it out on them and the ACC.***

Now for the allegations. Here are some questions I would pose:

1) Is it any wonder now how Dwight Jones qualified for UNC, the wine and cheese crowd of intelligence and higher learning, yet couldn't get into Clemson - the lowly cow-poke school from the upstate that only knows how to grow tomatoes?

2) Are you shocked Swofford, even before these "alleged" transcripts came out, took a visit up to Indy to have a chat with the NCAA's on behalf of his alma matter?

3) Think Swofford's trip to the upstate to meet with our board was just one of good faith? Nope. The board had some questions for the man, and while he can speak in front of the media about his like for CU and its people, he was here because our board needed some things answered. Side Note: Still remember the chorus of Boo's as he handed Dabo the ACC Crown in Charlotte. Priceless.

4) IFthe Julius Peppers transcript is real, those classes are a disgrace. I'm not against studies or even a major to learn about heritage, race, race relations, etc. I think it helps diversify. However, there is no diversification in these classes. But how in the world are we educating here?

5) The "alleged" Courses.
- BLACK EXPERIENCE? I think we know what the reaction would be if there was a 3 credit hour course at a major university called WHITE EXPERIENCE. That's not even my biggist issue. What in the world does this class encompass?

- SPECIAL STUDIES? - Not to be mistaken with Social Studies. Social Studies is much-to-much like History. These are Special Studies.

- INDEPENDENT STUDIES? - as in independent from actual classes? I don't follow...

- REQUIRED ACTIVITIES? - Like what? Breathing? Sleeping? Eating?

- BASIC WRITING? - I think back to the paper in 1st grade with the two bold lines and a dotted-line in the center of them that help you learn to "draw" your abc's.

6) The Grades. I know these should not be disclosed to the public. But cmon Julius...I can get over the D in APPLIED ETHICS because lets face it, look who was teaching you. But a W (withdrawal) from SPECIAL STUDIES? Was there too much going on during that summer session? ***Nothing personal against JP. I am a fan of his. But the establishment that allowed this to go on is a fraud, especially with the degree to which they think of themselves as strong academic university.***

I do agree that we should kick back and let the NCSU folks take the wheel and fuel this fire. I just hope its uglier than we could ever imagine.

Butch Davis had a bunch of crooked stuff taking place while he was there, and UNC pretty much got a slap on the wrist. Now its time they get what they deserve. If this stuff is accurate, it has been going on long before Butch.

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Swofford may not have "voted" for an extra year of probation for Clemson in 1982, but those at unc who did vote for the extra year were the primary movers for organizing the other schools for the vote and convincing them the extra year was necessary. Except, obviously for the two who declined to vote

The fact that Swofford was unc athletic director at the time and may be "guilty only by association" in no way, IMO, absolves him of complicity. Hood never asked Swofford if he advised the unc voters on how to vote--particularly since evidence has now come to light that unc was undoubtedly involved in NCAA rules chicanery of their own. Being involved with a unc doctoral candidate at that time who was also employed in their athletic tutorial program, I was constantly confronted with tales of other tutors doing work for athletes, taking tests for athletes, etc, etc.

All Hood's article "proved" was that Swofford didn't actually cast a vote on the extra year because it was a group of academic advisers from conference members who voted and not the athletic directors themselves. I was around unc and chapel hill a bunch in those days, and the general atmosphere belied unc's delight in Clemson's NCAA penalties not to mention an undercurrent of tacit acknowledgement that unc had spearheaded the move for the extra year

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Please elaborate on these classes at Clemson

Re: Please elaborate on these classes at Clemson

There's a gigantic schism between offering "easy"

Re: There's a gigantic schism between offering "easy"

While some classes may have more athletes...

You kidding if you think that the majority of colleges have

David Hood did the leg-work earlier this year

Yeah, that was excellent journalism on his part

Don't be fooled

Re: Don't be fooled

THIS is 100% accurate***

He may not have been the "ring leader"......

Yep, I'm a big fan of NC ST these days

Why so bitter you ask? Well let's see....

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Apparently you'd fit right in with the unc defenders

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