Tiger Board Logo

Donor's Den General Leaderboards TNET coins™ POTD Hall of Fame Map FAQ
GIVE AN AWARD
Use your TNET coins™ to grant this post a special award!

W
50
Big Brain
90
Love it!
100
Cheers
100
Helpful
100
Made Me Smile
100
Great Idea!
150
Mind Blown
150
Caring
200
Flammable
200
Hear ye, hear ye
200
Bravo
250
Nom Nom Nom
250
Take My Coins
500
Ooo, Shiny!
700
Treasured Post!
1000

YOUR BALANCE
Should Christians celebrate the American revolution?
General Boards - Religion & Philosophy
add New Topic
Replies: 17
| visibility 1

Should Christians celebrate the American revolution?


Sep 28, 2022, 2:49 PM
Reply

Jesus said to obey the law…

2024 purple level member flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: Should Christians celebrate the American revolution?


Sep 28, 2022, 3:07 PM
Reply

Lol I'm pretty sure Jesus was talking about the Torah and Roman rule, but the Law and the Revolution would lead to an interesting discussion on the nature of patriots, and traitors, and the Founding Fathers...

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

I don't celebrate anything but Easter.


Sep 28, 2022, 3:16 PM
Reply

I might thank God that the king doesn't tell me which god to worship though.

2024 orange level memberbadge-donor-10yr.jpgringofhonor-clemsontiger1988-110.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: Should Christians celebrate the American revolution?


Sep 28, 2022, 4:04 PM
Reply

That idea though will lead to some serious problems down the historical line, however, which I’ll get to when we hit the gap between judaism and Christianity, one of my favorite periods.

For instance, Jews are no supposed to not use any graven images or false gods. But what do you do when you are under Roman occupation, and not only is the image of Caesar on every coin, but Caesar calls himself a god. Now every single coin in your pocket is against your religion. Every dime you spend is a sin, essentially. Yikes.

Then there’s the problem of offerings, which could be in money depending on the type of offering. But the offerings had to be in shekels, or Jewish currency, and the temple was not going to accept Caesar money, no way, no how.

So that necessitated having money changers at the temple, so your offerings could be swapped and accepted. And if you remember your Jesus history, you know all about Jesus and money changers.

so there’s all kinds of seemingly simply day- to - day issues that people ran into just trying to survive, and adhere to the law,that all had to be worked out when Israel was occupied, by many various nations. It’s great stuff.

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

I look forward to your coverage of that period.***


Sep 29, 2022, 4:13 PM
Reply



2024 orange level memberbadge-donor-10yr.jpgringofhonor-clemsontiger1988-110.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

I admit I struggle with this topic.


Sep 29, 2022, 11:55 AM
Reply

Through the lens of history, I'd say it's undeniably a positive thing (for me) that it happened, but in "real time," I do struggle with whether the patriots were acting averse to what the Bible commands.

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: I admit I struggle with this topic.


Sep 29, 2022, 7:24 PM
Reply

Without opening a whole new history thread (though maybe we do need a history board <img border=">), it always comes down to who pays. And it's not always an easy answer.

You can pick any time in history, any place, and any people, and it will always be about power, and/or money.

In this case, who would pay for the French and Indian War that ended in 1763.

The colonists said, "We are a British colony, so Britain should pay for the war that saved us from the French."

The British said "We are paying. The average Brit pays 25 times as much in taxes as you do. We're just asking you for some help."

The colonists idea of help was zero.

So, the British instituted a series of taxes, on tea (The Boston Tea Party), on stamps, on paper products, on just about everything that came from England. And, they MADE the colonists buy them. (That's how John Hancock got so rich, smuggling tea and other items against British regulations.)

The colonists tried to make it about representation: No taxation without Representation (in British parliament)

The British said, "Even if you had representation, you'd be voted down "Everybody-to-13" every single time.

The colonists said it's about "God given freedoms, and inalienable rights"

The British said "If it's about freedom then why are the guys who are clamoring the loudest about freedom the same ones who own 300 slaves?"

Pretty nasty stuff, but below all the rhetoric, it was "Who is going to pay?" As always. Reference Solomon's temple in my Israel post. History repeating itself. over and over and over.

And in the case of Biblical "following law", even if both side DO agree to pay together, what is the split? How much does each side bear? It's never ending.

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: I admit I struggle with this topic.


Sep 30, 2022, 10:35 AM [ in reply to I admit I struggle with this topic. ]
Reply

Well kudos to you for admitting that. Most people get defensive especially when it comes to patriotism.

2024 purple level member flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

I disagree with most Christians I know on the nature and


Sep 30, 2022, 12:38 PM
Reply

value of patriotism.

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

I grew up in a generation which pledged allegiance...


Sep 30, 2022, 2:49 PM
Reply

to the flag every morning at school. All the history books reported that America was perfect in every aspect and most southern churches honored this nation next to God and family as if it was born to serve Him as a honored vessel. Maybe it is a vessel but any honor is tarnished.

Learning that our Founding Fathers were greedy men who wanted to own property and sought power for the sake of their wealth was a process. Still, when asked in what place on earth would I prefer to live I insist it is here in the Southeast portion of the greatest nation in history. It's far from perfect but it's the best on earth.

2024 orange level memberbadge-donor-10yr.jpgringofhonor-clemsontiger1988-110.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: Should Christians celebrate the American revolution?


Oct 1, 2022, 1:21 AM
Reply

Wasn't Jesus the ultimate rebellion? The verses you read may be an indictment on what authority is supposed to be more than a judgement of the people that are supposed to obey it. If authority is from God, then people should obey it.

Repentance is a changing of the mind. It may be a changing of the way you look at what you read.

2024 orange level member flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: Should Christians celebrate the American revolution?


Oct 2, 2022, 9:16 AM
Reply

Yes. I think Jesus did contradict his own words in different ways.

He claimed to follow the Old Testament but he didn't respect the pharisees (his elders). He said not to judge but he judged them for their sins.

He changed the view of divorce, dietary laws, and the sabbath.

So yes I think Jesus was just another 1st century rebel and I think there are tons of little contradictions that his modern day followers gloss over.

2024 purple level member flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

God has double standards.


Oct 5, 2022, 6:37 AM
Reply

That might be offensive to some but it's fact. They are comparable to a parent's double standards. A good parent who find a three year old digging up the lawn with a spoon will take the spoon and warn the child not to dig up the lawn.

Yet the parent might get a tool from the garage and dig up a dandelion root. The child damaged the lawn because he didn't have the correct tools to dig and didn't know what makes the lawn better and what makes it worse.

Jesus is God in the flesh. The pharisees were self-righteous tools who capitalized on their positions of authority in the synagogues.

2024 orange level memberbadge-donor-10yr.jpgringofhonor-clemsontiger1988-110.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: God has double standards.


Oct 7, 2022, 7:02 AM
Reply

So, does the end justify the means?

2024 orange level member flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

I don't think so.


Oct 8, 2022, 9:39 AM
Reply

God is Holy. He wants our faith, hope, love and will to be toward him. He wants all beings to do His will. When we violate His laws, judgements or precepts to get our will we are wrong.

2024 orange level memberbadge-donor-10yr.jpgringofhonor-clemsontiger1988-110.jpg flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: Should Christians celebrate the American revolution?


Oct 8, 2022, 2:43 PM
Reply

Yes, absolutely, freedom is a good thing, esp., freedom of religion.

flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: Should Christians celebrate the American revolution?


Oct 9, 2022, 12:55 PM
Reply

Romans 13:1-2

Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.

2024 purple level member flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Re: Should Christians celebrate the American revolution?


Oct 10, 2022, 12:45 PM
Reply

Exactly - authority is appointed by God. If they are not appointed by God, then they are not true authority.

2024 orange level member flag link military_tech thumb_downthumb_up

Replies: 17
| visibility 1
General Boards - Religion & Philosophy
add New Topic