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If you were the NCAA
Jul 19, 2012, 1:43 PM
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what would you do in regards to the Penn St. scandal?
-I would have a postseason ban for 10 years.
-Cut 50 scholarships over a 10 year period.
-Have the university remove anything with JoePas name on it.
-Fine them a certain % of football income that would go directly into a charity for abused children.
I really really had hoped from the beginning that JoePa wasn't too involved in it, now it just ruined my opinion on him.
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Re: If you were the NCAA- your last point is a good one
Jul 19, 2012, 1:45 PM
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whether made to or not they should give something back to help victims of these type crimes
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the victims will sue and become millionaires
Jul 19, 2012, 1:47 PM
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well their lawyers will become millionaires but they will get a cut of the pie
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I wouldn't do anything
Jul 19, 2012, 1:46 PM
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You wouldn't punish the chemistry department if one of the professors was doing something like this, you'd fire and cut all ties with the professor.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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The university should remove all traces of JoePa & Sandusky
Jul 19, 2012, 1:47 PM
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but they should do it long before the NCAA has a chance to tell them to.
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Joe has done just as much to stop kids being molested
Jul 19, 2012, 1:51 PM
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recently as he ever did when he was alive. Actually maybe more as he hasnt hampered efforts to stop it since he died
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Re: I wouldn't do anything
Jul 19, 2012, 1:47 PM
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The thing is...JoePa IS the Penn St. Football Program.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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No more than
Jul 19, 2012, 1:50 PM
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Bear Bryant is Alabama or Bobby Bowden is FSU. The only difference is the amount of time since they coached.
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Re: No more than
Jul 19, 2012, 1:51 PM
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Exactly....in that logic, if bobby bowden went out and commited a felony, this guy would put a 10 year bowl ban on FSU.
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Re: No more than
Jul 19, 2012, 1:55 PM
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Depends on the felony. What went on at Penn St. was pure evil, no matter what way you look at it.
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And I have zero problem
Jul 19, 2012, 1:56 PM
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in this situation saying one felony is worse than another.
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Re: And I have zero problem
Jul 19, 2012, 2:00 PM
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but it had nothing to with football. Football was an independent factor. This could have happened in any dept at a school. Football was not the reason.
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I understand that completely
Jul 19, 2012, 2:05 PM
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and the sad thing is that if the NCAA makes the decision and not the DOJ then a lot of the decision will be factored around what the "perception of the NCAA" is and not what should morally be done to try and somehow avenge those abused.
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Re: Athletics allowed that ####### a venue to rape kids***
Jul 19, 2012, 2:06 PM
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No atheletics didn't....3 men did....
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Men associated with the athletic department,
Jul 19, 2012, 2:10 PM
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under the AD "umbrella" that used AD facilities.
Personally, I think they should not get death penalty. But after expenses (salaries for coaches, staff, etc.) profits from football go to victims and non-revenue sports. Non-rev sports are going to get hit by this stigma. Let them gain while football suffers.
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Re: Men associated with the athletic department,
Jul 19, 2012, 2:14 PM
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So you're saying that 3 men are PSU athletics? I sure hope for Clemson's sake our AD doesn't commit a felony of some sort and you were president or on the BOT. We'd be tearing down death valley....
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You keep throwing around the word "felony"
Jul 19, 2012, 2:15 PM
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this isn't just a "felony" it was harming innocent children who had no way to protect themselves.
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Re: You keep throwing around the word "felony"
Jul 19, 2012, 2:18 PM
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And had nothing to do with football....what does it matter if it were molesting children or stealing bubble gum? It's still a Crime not an ncaa violation and should be handled by law enforcement not ncaa sanctions...
Like someone else said, if the dean of the school of business were involved in molesting boys you're not going to put restrictions on the SOB students or shut down the program. You'll get rid of the dean and anyone who helped him.
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I don't think the program should get the death penalty
Jul 19, 2012, 2:14 PM
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and I completely agree with you, after expenses, profits should go to the victims.
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Re: I don't think the program should get the death penalty
Jul 19, 2012, 2:19 PM
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So in other words, punish the players, alum, fans, faculty/staff (who get raises etc from said monies) and students....
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They were part allowing the culture to perpetuate
Jul 19, 2012, 3:11 PM
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A thousand students and fans chanting WE WANT JOE allowed it to perpetuate. My previous company has had salary freezes for 3 years and it didn't hurt us. Yes, give the revenue to the victims.
How does taking profits from football punish the players who are already on scholarship?
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Re: They were part allowing the culture to perpetuate
Jul 19, 2012, 4:16 PM
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How did the fans, alum, staff and students perpetuate it by cheering for their coach that they've had for 50 years? Because they knew their DC would rape boys and their coach would cover it up? Give me a break, you're ridiculous....
Punishing tradition and a loyal fanbase is not the route we should be taking in football because it MIGHT lead to ###### of boys...come on man....
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Yes. The culture needs to change. That is what needs
Jul 19, 2012, 1:52 PM
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to be punished. A lot of Clemson folks were punished for Pell's violations. Same for everywhere Holtz has been. I don't by the "don't hurt the innocent" arguement when the NCAA does it every time they give sanctions.
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Re: Yes. The culture needs to change. That is what needs
Jul 19, 2012, 1:53 PM
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difference is, in those situations, the players, alum and some fans were INVOLVED....
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So. Paterno was involved, as was a Sandusky: another
Jul 19, 2012, 2:03 PM
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coach. If this had come out in 1998, do you not think the years between then an now would have been different for that program?
The culture perpetuated the notion that Penn State, not just Paterno, was infalliable and NO ONE acted or believed those types of behaviors were going on.
Penn State used the cover up to stay at the top of the recruiting game because if this story had broken in 1998, there ability to recruit would have been damaged.
Paterno is the winningist coach in college football. You don't think they used that as an advantage to get top players over the past 14 years?
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Re: So. Paterno was involved, as was a Sandusky: another
Jul 19, 2012, 2:05 PM
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yes and they should be punished. The students, players, alum and faculty/staff were not involved. In recruiting violations the players, boosters, alum and fans ARE involved and it is directly related to the program. This is not. this is a criminal act by a handful of men under wraps. No ncaa violations were made.
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Re: So. Paterno was involved, as was a Sandusky: another
Jul 19, 2012, 2:07 PM
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And in other violations recruiting was an advantage. You're claiming that this kept recruiting normal which is hypothetical at best. Who's to say it would have hurt their recruiting? They're doing fine right now.
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This is not a NCAA problem.
Jul 19, 2012, 1:50 PM
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The university needs to fire all coaches and school staff involved and pay a settlement to the victims. Punishing those not involved solves nothing.
Time to move on.
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Re: This is not a NCAA problem.
Jul 19, 2012, 2:07 PM
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Exactly. Yes, horrible tragedy and something needs to be done, but it is not the NCAA's jurisdiction and those recruits who still want to go there and those players who still want to be there shouldn't have to suffer the mistakes of the past. I agree that Penn State should do something and everything they can to try and "fix" this (which they truly never can), but it is not the NCAA's place.
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It Is an NCAA Jurisdictional Issue
Jul 19, 2012, 4:38 PM
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ever heard of the sanctions because of lack of "institutional control?" This is BIG time lack of institutional control and BIG time institutional cover-up of terrible crimes against vulnerable children.
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Re: If you were the NCAA
Jul 19, 2012, 1:50 PM
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Why would you punish current players and future players, staff, faculty, students, and alum for something they didn't do? The people involved are gone. What does it solve? PSU football broke ZERO ncaa rules (you can make an argument of lack of institutional control) but why give them more than probation due to a handful of criminals hiding in secrecy?
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Re: If you were the NCAA
Jul 19, 2012, 2:06 PM
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I don't think anything should be done that will punish the football players. They weren't involved as far as we know. The most guilty party is already behind bars. The other conspirator is dead. If the law wants to go after the University officials that may have helped in the cover up then go ahead. But to punish a new coaching staff and players just for donning the Penn State uniform isn't justice.
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Should JP's statue still stand ?? *****
Jul 19, 2012, 4:10 PM
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I don't think so
Jul 19, 2012, 5:35 PM
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he knew and did nothing, take it down.
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I agree !! *****
Jul 19, 2012, 5:36 PM
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The NCAA won't do much.....
Jul 19, 2012, 5:50 PM
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look at how they collapsed on UNC.
And yes I know exactly how COMPLETELY DIFFERENT these cases are........
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