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College Football "pre-season" commentary/question


Aug 17, 2022, 5:50 PM
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Dabo says this at least 5-7 times during interviews this time a year: "college football is the only level of football that does not have a pre-season or scrimmage season"!

My question is: I understand; "I think" the reason they don't allow it(safety - i'm guessing). But, these players have done jamborees and scrimmages in H.S. If any of them are lucky enough to make pro-ball - they will do even more scrimmages/pre-season.
Why then; would college Presidents basically turn down this ability? It certainly would draw plenty of interest if Purdue came down to Clemson to scrimmage! Or better yet, Michigan! Scrimmage or not - it would command attention and be an opportunity to generate revenue.

Do any of you think this is part of the: "it's all about the student-amateur-athlete and not about money" thought process? If so, haven't we passed that point a long, long time ago( transfer portal, NIL deals, etc.)?

I could be in the minority with this: but, I think it would be more welcomed than looked at like a bad thing. In fact, there is no obligation to participate if you don't want(if I was making the rule).
Have freshmen who didn't arrive on campus until summer - this is perfect! Have 1st time starters - this would be perfect to see where they are with no "poll-consequences"!

If you think there should be at least 1 game allowed, comment. If you don't think it would be a good idea, comment. I would love to see a different angle or be enlightened on something I missed as it relates to this topic. I think it's loosely tied to not proving pre-season polls "inaccurate" based off scrimmages. But, coaches use scrimmages in different ways. You really can't tell much if you aren't playing "just 1st teamers" which is unlikely during a scrimmage.
Thoughts?

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Dabo seems to be minimizing spring practice, summer workouts, and fall camp.

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Aug 17, 2022, 5:58 PM
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There is plenty of practice time to get ready for the season. Plus, we often start the season with 1-2 cupcake opponents as well.

To answer your question, I don’t think preseason games would accomplish much. Look at the NFL games. They are a snooze fest and mostly just serve to play backups. Can’t we accomplish that with our own intra-squad scrimmages?

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Aug 17, 2022, 6:08 PM
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JK - I know from being an athlete myself; that when you practice against the same people: over time the quality of the practice kind of diminishes.
Not because they don't get better/worse - but because they get to "learn you"! During a competition against an "unknown" opponent, they have to react to what you are doing. And, I may not have explained that the best. But, basically, your own team knows the plays after a while and it's possible they either look better or you look better because of that familiarity. Something that does not happen when you are actually competing.

Also, as I said, this is a common practice on all other levels of football. I do not think it would be boring or unneeded. The NFL btw still does pretty well in terms of the revenue made from pre-season games!

Again, you could structure it like a scrimmage or like a game. In my mind Judge - it's just one game against another school.
Anything more than that and it might get exactly as you said. No starters playing, waste of time, etc. The biggest thing is: "if you're hitting and scrimmaging anyway, why not put another school's players out there for one day"?
You really aren't going to scrimmage any less, no?

They currently allow 2 scrimmages!

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Aug 17, 2022, 6:15 PM
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They still average 3 million viewers a game for a pointless game with players that won’t be on the team, it would generate revenue and help the teams.

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Aug 17, 2022, 6:24 PM
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They still average 3 million viewers a game for a pointless game with players that won’t be on the team, it would generate revenue and help the teams.




In fact, this!
https://theathletic.com/3517025/2022/08/17/nfl-preseason-ratings/


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Aug 18, 2022, 2:42 PM
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Judge Keller® ... True that. Furman & La Tech are cupcake scrimmages. Possibly GaT as well.

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Aug 17, 2022, 6:13 PM
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Think about how fun it would be to watch a spring and fall scrimmage vs anyone we want. Makes no sense and we should be doing it, especially since we are now in a it’s all about the money world for college athletics.

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Aug 17, 2022, 6:20 PM
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Think about how fun it would be to watch a spring and fall scrimmage vs anyone we want. Makes no sense and we should be doing it, especially since we are now in a it’s all about the money world for college athletics.




In my mind; something like a scrimmage may be the only time a player South of the Mason-Dixon line would get a chance to play in "The Big House" for example. Or "The Shoe"!
The bigger these conferences get; the less likely O.O.C games are less and less likely.

You get the work......"THE SAME HITS/PHYSICALITY"........you would practicing against your teammates! You keep the same time limits and hours - you just allow one of those periods to be against a team from another school.

Dabo is not alone in wanting it to happen!

I think a Golden opportunity is being wasted as well! But, obviously, it's not up to me or Dabo.

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Aug 17, 2022, 6:53 PM
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We don't need to know why, it just isn't done and isn't a good idea.

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Aug 17, 2022, 8:35 PM
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Valley Boy said:

We don't need to know why, it just isn't done and isn't a good idea.




VB - I respect that.

I just would love a little more "substance" behind why you think it's a bad idea; if you would? If not, I understand.

*it won't save the player's hits - as they will still get hit vs. their own teammates during practice and during the two scrimmages.
*the same amount of time is used to practice as it is now. None of it goes against your season's outlook.

I respect your view - but I am with Dabo on this! Not like the NFL(who thankfully cut it to 3); but 1 scrimmage session.

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Aug 18, 2022, 12:52 PM
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The facade that college football is solely about the student-athlete just needs to stop. Like the con man in Wizard of Oz(google it) who was busted behind the curtain pulling the strings. Stop it.

Scheduling flights during mid-week to go across the country is not looking after the student who is also an athlete.

Asking this thread question "offline" I heard: "less hits" and "looking after the student-athlete by not having them participate". It's not less hits because they still scrimmage against each other intramurally. They do participate; that's how they earn a starting job.

The amount of money being earned is crazy. There has to be some other force behind the inability to play other squads; because you don't get hit any less! You won't take any more time away from your schedule or not much more. I would think you would typically get schools that could bus to your school. Maybe Clemson and Tennessee scrimmage, for example.

I don't get it. 1 scrimmage or game. . . . .

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Aug 18, 2022, 10:00 PM
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If the majority of players are in favor of it, and participation is truly voluntary, I would say they should be permitted to have a scrimmage or two. Would I watch the scrimmages? No. The regular season is getting less and less interesting to me each season, and for my taste, a scrimmage that doesn't count would be no better regardless of the logo on the helmets.

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