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TNET: NCAA announces step toward compensation for athletes
Apr 29, 2020, 10:15 AM
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Beginning of the End
Apr 29, 2020, 10:32 AM
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of CFB, imo.
The NCAA is going to set up a committee to make sure that no schools or athletes are engaged in "pay for play". Are you kidding me? That is the foundation of the whole idea.
There is enough of an issue with players involved with drugs, so we're now going to introduce the element of cash money into their lives. How much time will be spent on income improvement as opposed to school work and sports?
How many will be arrested for income tax evasion?
This is a very bad idea, but that's just my opinion.
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Re: Beginning of the End
Apr 29, 2020, 10:47 AM
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Very soon I will have to stop donating to IPTAY scholarship fund--if they're going to be professional athletes, they can be that without my donations. Will save a lot of money and enjoy the games from my living room, until CFB and NCAA BB start to look more like the NFL and NBA, at which point I'll turn them off.
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This is exactly how I feel. I love Clemson, and what Dabo has done here
Apr 29, 2020, 1:40 PM
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is too special not to support. But as the game becomes “Hey! Do you like all the money and ego of pro sports but with less skill!?! College Football!” I just don’t think it will hold my interest.
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There goes the neighborhood***
Apr 29, 2020, 10:36 AM
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Nothing can go wrong with this
Apr 29, 2020, 11:12 AM
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Just imagine Wake Forest opening the season against any professional team the Special Education Conference in the Chicken Filet Kickoff Classic
What is next. Patches on their jersey from Bob Holmes Chevrolet? Jernigan's Family Dentistry ?
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Re: TNET: NCAA announces step toward compensation for athletes
Apr 29, 2020, 11:20 AM
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There has to be some notion that this will increase overall revenues somehow. If people direct their money to the athletes instead of the schools there will be a drop in revenues to the schools. Guess who controls the game at that point? Try AAU “Coach” x 20 pooling a group of players from these elite 11 camps and whoring them out to the highest bidder. Shoe companies, who never paid ANY price for destroying college basketball, will control the flow of elite players in CFB too. Great job FBI.
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Re: TNET: NCAA announces step toward compensation for athletes
Apr 29, 2020, 11:27 AM
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I agree and the liberal talking heads idiots on their network helped to promote this mess. This will be the downfall of college athletics because it will lead to more radical changes in my opinion.
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Re: TNET: NCAA announces step toward compensation for athletes
Apr 29, 2020, 11:44 AM
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If this is partly because of moves by the NBA, it's far too late. That cat is out of the bag and ain't going back in. This is a giant swing and a miss by the NCAA. It's what they do.
On the other hand, the NFL and NFLPA are fine with the status quo and this will only open up a can of worms for CFB. "Uncharted territory" is indeed a good choice of words.
For the record, I believe it is wrong to allow universities and coaches to ride the gravy train on major college sports revenue while athletes get only a scholarship. Some athletes are fortunate just to get scholarships but others that truly impact revenue should be compensated.
Confession: How to do this without upending college sports completely escapes me. I admit to complaining about something without having a solution to fix it.
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Re: TNET: NCAA announces step toward compensation for athletes
Apr 29, 2020, 1:22 PM
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The solution is for players who object to the NCAA participation rules can choose to NOT PARTICIPATE. They can wait until they meet the NFL or NBA age limits and get right to work making all the cash they possibly can. Their beef, if the truly have one, is that the Player's Unions and the leagues have conspired to implement these age limits--the NCAA has nothing to do with that.
For each football team, something like 3 or 4 players on average have a chance to sniff the NFL. The other 80+ guys plus all the walkons and practice squads are happy with their scholarships or the notion that they might get on the field in a blowout situation.
Something like 0.5 players per NCAA team may get a chance to play a game in the NBA. Same there, the other 12-15 guys down the bench work just as hard as the stars but get nothing for their trouble except a chance to play the game. The rest relish the scholarship or just playing the game (walkons).
Meanwhile the volleyball players, women's track team, cross country, golf teams, wrestling, water polo,... aren't crying about being exploited and are happy for their scholarships and have no problems participating under the NCAA rules.
One can make a compelling case that the few players who have a chance to go pro are actually getting "free" coaching, "free" facilities, "free" food, "free" equipment, not to mention (supposedly) an education that can help them better manager their sports careers or careers outside of sports and all the support they can possibly need to help them get that education like dedicated tutors and study facilities. If they become paid employees, all that stuff goes away or becomes taxable, or maybe they'll get charged for using the facilities, food, etc.
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See, that’s just it. Right now all the student athletes win.
Apr 29, 2020, 1:38 PM
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And...as always...I know this is true because not a single D1 football program is begging for people to take their free ride to play. Again, every year there are tens of thousands of high school football players who would kill for a full ride to college in exchange for playing a game they love...but they don’t get one.
Your premise that kids who are big time...who “make money for the school”...should get something...it misses the point.
There are players that will never make it to the pros, and they are fortunate enough to get a college education for free while forming life-long connections with fellow players and a special place in alumni hearts when they graduate. Many of them, if not for the free ride and possibly the relaxing of requirements for admission, would never have gone to college. The benefit of that scholarship is literally over a Million dollars considering their salary opportunities with a degree
Those that are elite...Trevor Lawrence, for example...get three years of huge exposure, the best training available, the best nutritionists, coaches, facilities, they get to compete with comparable athletes...oh, and some Education if they want it. They get full tuition and room and board and many of them are still eligible for grants worth a few thousand dollars while there. Then they get to the pros and people are already buying their jerseys and bobble heads because they are a known entity.
Everybody wins.
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Re: See, that’s just it. Right now all the student athletes win.
Apr 29, 2020, 2:08 PM
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Arguments like this would make more sense to me if the athletes were receiving a salary in return for playing. This rule simply allows them to earn money on their own.
A magazine can put up a picture of Trevor Lawrence and earn money based on the sales, but Lawrence isn't allowed to receive a penny in return? Why is that fair?
They can slap a #16 on a jersey where everyone knows that's supposed to be Trevor Lawrence, and he's not allowed to make a penny in return? Don't give me the "that number can be anyone" line because it's funny how the available numbers each year always include the same number as the starting QB, and 2-3 other star players on the team. Why not put 00 on there if the numbers aren't supposed to represent anyone?
Also, take that same jersey, and you'll find someone on the internet willing to literally add the Lawrence name on the jersey for you in return for a set price. So some dude can make money to add Lawrence to a jersey, but Lawrence wouldn't be allowed to play if he got a single penny from it?
I've seen many shirts online literally adding faces of players, and again, the player can't get paid? I realize these people aren't part of the school, and that technically they aren't supposed to be doing this, but it sure doesn't seem like anyone is going out of their way to stop them.
Also, the argument against allowing players to earn their own money got harder and harder to make as the coaching salaries got higher and higher. I don't have a problem with the money Dabo makes, but it's silly to say the game of college football shouldn't be about money when it comes to players getting paid, but then have no problem with the head coach making 10 million per year.
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Re: See, that’s just it. Right now all the student athletes win.
Apr 29, 2020, 2:31 PM
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"A magazine can put up a picture of Trevor Lawrence and earn money based on the sales, but Lawrence isn't allowed to receive a penny in return? Why is that fair?"
Because Trevor Lawrence WANTS to be on the cover of a magazine. Because even if he's not getting a pay check from the publisher, it's money in his bank in terms of marketability and brand once he is a professional. And also, the magazine proooobably makes VERY little money "Because Trevor Lawrence is on the cover." Maybe a few avid fans (again, something Trevor wants) will buy a magazine because it has TL on the cover, but not many. And probably a few Gamecocks would skip it for the same reason. I'd be interested in how many less magazines are sold if they were prohibited from putting an actual football player on the cover. I would guess maybe 1%? Maybe zero? But hey, if that bothers you, then push for the rule. No actual pictures of student athletes on publications (not that you can do that, but say you could). What a great win for the players.
"They can slap a #16 on a jersey where everyone knows that's supposed to be Trevor Lawrence, and he's not allowed to make a penny in return? Don't give me the "that number can be anyone" line because it's funny how the available numbers each year always include the same number as the starting QB, and 2-3 other star players on the team. Why not put 00 on there if the numbers aren't supposed to represent anyone?"
That's cool...the NCAA could make a rule that Clemson can only sell numberless shirts and places like the Tiger Sports Shop can sew any number you want on the back. Works for me. By the way...TL WANTS people walking around with his jersey.
"Also, take that same jersey, and you'll find someone on the internet willing to literally add the Lawrence name on the jersey for you in return for a set price. So some dude can make money to add Lawrence to a jersey, but Lawrence wouldn't be allowed to play if he got a single penny from it?"
Oh...oh dear. We are getting a bit twisted. Didn't think you'd go this far. So...because people can sew...amateur athletics should be eliminated.
"I've seen many shirts online literally adding faces of players, and again, the player can't get paid? I realize these people aren't part of the school, and that technically they aren't supposed to be doing this, but it sure doesn't seem like anyone is going out of their way to stop them."
Lawwwd! I should have read through this before bothering to respond. "And what about the criminals!?! Did you think of that!?!" No...no I didn't think of that.
"Also, the argument against allowing players to earn their own money got harder and harder to make as the coaching salaries got higher and higher. I don't have a problem with the money Dabo makes, but it's silly to say the game of college football shouldn't be about money when it comes to players getting paid, but then have no problem with the head coach making 10 million per year."
Politically, yes, obviously. Otherwise, it's no different. The coaches are professionals and the players are amateurs. This isn't hard. It doesn't matter if coaches make a billion dollars a year. They are professionals.
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Re: TNET: NCAA announces step toward compensation for athletes
Apr 29, 2020, 11:59 AM
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Now way this is going to be taken advantage of and turn out badly.
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And nobody even mentions the division and animosity this
Apr 29, 2020, 12:07 PM
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will cause in the locker room between the 10 players on the team getting rich and the other 75 who are equally busting their butts yet receive no deals, endorsements or cash!!
This will be a quagmire and is not going to end well!!
Go Tigers!!!
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Are you familiar with the NFL?
Apr 29, 2020, 12:15 PM
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Can you imagine a player saying he doesn't want to play for Clemson because they have Trevor Lawrence or Justin Ross or Isaiah Simmons because they might have more lucrative endorsement deals and that would hurt their feelings?
What about the scholarships those kids are getting? Remember people arguing that the value of a Clemson education should be enough for them? Would that value be diminished in any way?
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Re: And nobody even mentions the division and animosity this
Apr 29, 2020, 2:13 PM
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I'm surprised then that NFL locker rooms manage to stay together when you have quarterbacks making 1/4 of the total team salary in many cases. I mean, you have a guy like Russell Wilson making 35 million per year, while he has teammates who are only making the league minimum of $600k who are one cut away from being out of the league for good. With what you're saying, it's a miracle that the NFL has survived for so long.
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Re: And nobody even mentions the division and animosity this
Apr 29, 2020, 3:10 PM
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Well, one difference there is that an NFL locker room is filled with professional athletes doing their job. You think many of them give a rat's behind about the TEAM (some will, and certainly some people have friends on the team)? Because they know they can get traded, cut, etc. tomorrow and be on another team the day after that. Their job on the next team will be the same.
They're not in the NFL locker room forming a band of brothers.
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Re: And nobody even mentions the division and animosity this
Apr 29, 2020, 2:21 PM
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Also with that logic, what must the college players currently feel like to be busting their butts and receiving no deals, endorsements, or cash while the coach who's yelling at them on the practice field is making nearly 1 million per game?
In all seriousness, I'd imagine that you'd see teammates taking care of their brothers whenever they can. Much in the way that you see NFL quarterbacks and running backs buying gifts for their OL, I would imagine that you'd see a guy like Lawrence(even though he'll likely be gone by the time this rule starts) treating his teammates with some gifts, and fun experiences. If anything, it would be like having a friend who has a lot of money and usually picks up the tab for you whenever you go out.
Sure, I'd imagine you'd have some guys wishing they were getting those deals, but I would be shocked to see that present itself in the form of bad feelings towards their teammates who are benefiting from them. I don't think those feelings of jealously would likely be any different from someone who may currently wish they had the spotlight that someone like Lawrence has, and who wishes they were the likely #1 pick in the next upcoming draft. That type of jealously doesn't mean they would have anything against Lawrence.
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It's a step in the right direction long overdue.
Apr 29, 2020, 12:10 PM
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Making football safer for the athletes and increasing the incentives for the best athletes to play football is only going to cause more parents to allow and motivate more kids to play football, putting the best athletes into the game and making the game more enjoyable to watch.
Thanks, NCAA for not being afraid to change with the times, unlike so many short sighted people fearful of change.
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This has to be sarcasm
Apr 29, 2020, 3:14 PM
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Just has to be
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Re: TNET: NCAA announces step toward compensation for athletes
Apr 29, 2020, 1:28 PM
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Ruh-Roh. This will get ugly imo.
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RIP college athletics.***
Apr 29, 2020, 2:09 PM
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Partying in places like Columbus OH, Austin TX, LA etc.
Apr 29, 2020, 2:51 PM
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Clemson cannot compete with big $$$ schools in big markets.
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Who's going to do their taxes?
Apr 29, 2020, 3:05 PM
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Jock taxes must be paid in every state in which you play a game, pro-rated vs the total number of games played. All those "freebies" athletes get from the Universities, taxable fringe benefits to employees. Once you start getting paid for being an athlete, you're a professional athlete and you gotta start paying the taxes levied on professional athletes.
I'm sure the kids getting an extra few $K for their likeness won't mind paying the taxes they'll find they owe on that and everything else. Because, hey, they're getting paid now momma!
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Re: TNET: NCAA announces step toward compensation for athletes
Apr 29, 2020, 7:13 PM
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That is one big ### can of worms they're about to open!??
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According to ESPN players will be allowed to sign
Apr 29, 2020, 10:15 PM
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with Sports Agents as part of the NIL deal. I can see it now - a Sports Agent shows up to practice and tells the head coach that "his player" isn't being showcased enough to attract NIL deals and unless that changes they will enter the transfer portal because other teams are offering better showcasing opportunities. After all - what is to prohibit an Agent from talking with other teams and shopping his player around? If you think the transfer portal free agency is bad now - just wait until those money grubbing Agents get involved...
I have absolutely no faith that the NCAA is going to be able to manage this NIL well or that they will have a good/equitable system of checks and balances. The NCAA is a poorly run organization that for years failed to see the writing on the wall regarding athlete compensation and chose to ignore the issue that is now coming back to bite them in the a.s.s.. The NCAA's inaction gave the politicians an excuse to get involved via the California state legislature and we all know what happens the moment politicians touch anything - it turns to crap. Now the NCAA is having to play catch-up with what the politicians have already established and we have a freaking mess that is going to eventually kill College Football as we know it.
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Re: According to ESPN players will be allowed to sign
Apr 29, 2020, 11:13 PM
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Maybe these coming rules are already causing players to be shopped to the biggest markets. Hey Korey Forman come to USC where their are a million more fans than Clemson and you will be a millionaire before you leave school because these rules will be in place before you leave and if you happen to get hurt you will already be rich.
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