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NY and a handful of states around it are the only ones...
May 21, 2020, 7:00 PM
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which benefited from the shutting. It's possible that some of them may have had more demand for ventilators than they had.
I can see the POTUS reasons. We now or soon will have enough of everything we need to weather the storm. We have a great deal of knowledge about a pandemic and will soon have treatments and perhaps even vaccine.
We lost the first 25 or 30 thousand people because of the qualifications for treatment. Now we have massive test kits and processing the results in labs not called the CDC. We should well prepare and maintain that posture perpetually.
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Standout [347]
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While I agree we shouldn’t shut down again, you are wrong per usual.
May 21, 2020, 9:02 PM
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We don’t have a great deal of knowledge about a pandemic or this virus. Heck just yesterday the CDC stayed that they learned it doesn’t live on surfaces nearly as long as they thought, so spread by contact is less of a risk.
A vaccine is nowhere close to being available to the general public. 12 months or more. We are getting better, but we still have a long way to go to get this “under control.”
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Standout [347]
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Stated***
May 21, 2020, 9:02 PM
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Legend [15749]
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Legend [16263]
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POTUS hasn't actually shut anything down except the
May 21, 2020, 9:34 PM
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borders.? 39 governors had closed all of their schools and were on their way to more closures by the time Trump gave his "this is serious, folks" presser 3rd Monday in March. I know cause recycling day.
Didn't open anything up, either, though still 40k plus monthly international arrivals, with temp scanners and pinky swear self-quarantines at the airports. "I told him I was against it" at the same time as "Liberate Minnessota!"
No national testing plan in place. Just how are we going to have the tools to "put out the fire" and "weather the storm" with absolutely no organized (DING DING - Problem Major Tom) effort in place where our resources, numbers, knowledge and national emergency power are greatest in the Federal mechanism? We're discovering "hot spots" a month after the fact, still, and there is ZERO going on to get ahead of that.
CDC wasn't in charge of the Fed's decision over opening up non-gov labs early on, and now. Look elsewhere. FDA. I'm sure there's a top notch guy in the top brass that knows all the arms of the company, what they do, and who to call when you need something.
Lastly, put the Post Office to work delivering and collecting testing sample envelopes. Self-administering for volunteers that get requests via mail or USPS app. Far and wide fast, couple houndred thousands weekly. And write some letters to folks you don't see as often. Mail has really dropped off, and it'd be a nice way to show support and connect with far away friends and family in a physical way when you can't be there in person. I don't understand vilifying the Postal Service. To me it is a great symbol of national pride. It's a bigger national pastime than baseball. Apple pie is a later discussion.
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Thank god***
May 21, 2020, 7:27 PM
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Legend [18026]
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He thinks it's a "badge of honor"***
May 21, 2020, 7:32 PM
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Re: He thinks it's a "badge of honor"***
May 21, 2020, 7:40 PM
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Not really imo, he just understands that in the big scheme we cannot destroy the economy. We are not the same peoples that survived Great Depression 1.0, we are far greater in number with far less empathy, good Will and I dare say ethics and morals.
Add those together and you have a boiling pot of civil unrest, crime and destruction.
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Legend [18026]
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Don't think it's up to him***
May 21, 2020, 7:51 PM
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1st Rounder [635]
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Re: Don't think it's up to him***
May 21, 2020, 7:57 PM
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Technically true but if he wins again he will walk loudly and carry a yuge Federal stick in many ways.
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Rock Defender [54]
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If there’s another wave in the fall (and this one
May 22, 2020, 11:42 AM
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ain’t exactly over) the economy is gonna take a deeper dive regardless of policy on shutdowns.
These businesses that are reopening are bringing 1/3-1/2 of their staff back in many cases. We’re all a lot more ###### than we think, no matter the policy on shutdown.
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While I don’t think we should and I agree with him, he has no day.
May 21, 2020, 8:56 PM
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If an area has a big spike and wants to shut down, they will, whether he likes it or not. I personally think nowhere should shut down, but states and localities can do as they choose. Will be a lot harder to get people to adhere to it a second time though.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Unfortunately
May 21, 2020, 11:02 PM
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You're only mentioning "dying".. What about the debilitating
May 22, 2020, 9:19 AM
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affects on the lungs, heart, etc...? I don't think we even know the full extent of that at this point. Maybe if we HAD some data...
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Rock Defender [54]
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You again?
May 22, 2020, 10:28 AM
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"Swimming in blood"...? BS and prove me wrong. There will be
May 22, 2020, 10:34 AM
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some spikes to come.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: "Swimming in blood"...? BS and prove me wrong. There will be
May 22, 2020, 10:39 AM
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Where's your proof of this statement:
May 22, 2020, 10:44 AM
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"We never came close to that. In fact the hospitals were telling workers to stay home because they didn’t have enough volume."
The hospital workers sent home were those working in non-COVID related areas. Many hospitals were close to peak in their ICUs and ER departments handling COVID cases.
Now should hospitals have shut down all non-COVID related stuff is a different question and issue entirely.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Where's your proof of this statement:
May 22, 2020, 10:50 AM
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You do realize the whole
May 22, 2020, 10:52 AM
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"It wasn't as bad as they were saying"
is because our federal government, these states and individuals took measures to keep it from being that bad right?
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Rock Defender [54]
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You are the King Sheep
May 22, 2020, 11:00 AM
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All-In [46825]
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JP Morgan huh
May 22, 2020, 11:04 AM
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because they definitely wouldn't be biased.
Unlike that evil CDC and Fauci
That's like R.J Reynold's sponsering studies showing smoking doesn't cause cancer.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Dude how can you be so dense?
May 22, 2020, 11:12 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81925]
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It's a fun echo chamber you stay in.
May 22, 2020, 11:39 AM
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Nothing we say will change your mind from the actual studies or reality - so all we can hope for is your practice good hygiene and social distancing.
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Rock Defender [54]
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You know what’s even funnier?
May 22, 2020, 11:44 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81925]
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Rock Defender [54]
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Yeah sorry Sweden doesn’t fit the narrative but
May 22, 2020, 12:00 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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So you’re just ignoring the FACTS that their curves
May 22, 2020, 12:20 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81925]
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Sounds like SC was more fortunate than other areas.
May 22, 2020, 10:55 AM
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The volume managed and rest of the hospital was empty part is what I was talking about in the second part of my post.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Sounds like SC was more fortunate than other areas.
May 22, 2020, 11:02 AM
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All-In [46825]
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There are A TON of other variables
May 22, 2020, 11:06 AM
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than when a state closed/opened.
Population density is just one of many.
Of course SC isn't going to see the same case load as NY.
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Normal capacity includes procedures that were not
May 22, 2020, 3:50 PM
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being done during the shutdown. So 50% capacity with no elective surgeries when there is a 38% capacity when there ARE elective surgeries being done represents a pretty big change.
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Rock Defender [54]
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You guys would seriously argue with a wall
May 22, 2020, 3:53 PM
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All-In [49058]
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Not at all...
May 22, 2020, 4:04 PM
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but there are people I will argue with because they support their arguments with false premises. When you make a statement to support your position that assumes away big chunks of data, I have a tendency to argue about it.
It's what I do.
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Rock Defender [54]
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It was not false premises
May 22, 2020, 4:14 PM
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Maryland and Ohio were first governors to shut down
May 22, 2020, 10:02 AM
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They both have an R next to their name.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Back when we didn’t know
May 22, 2020, 10:18 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Unfortunately
May 22, 2020, 10:26 AM
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Re: According to. POTUS
May 22, 2020, 5:18 AM
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He is right. I agree.
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Retail Federation said the same thing
May 22, 2020, 10:05 AM
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on a call this week. Drawing up legal actions against states that continue to close.
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Re: Retail Federation said the same thing
May 22, 2020, 11:17 AM
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Re: According to. POTUS
May 22, 2020, 3:28 PM
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In fact, the President doesn't have the power to overrule states' rights to do with its citizens what they think is best.
Every home in this country that was 'shut down', was shut down under state law, not federal. The 10th Amendment to the Constitution makes this power clear.
And not only was it done in the U.S. but in every country in the world. It's not about politics.
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please don’t clutter the “real sheep” with facts
May 22, 2020, 3:53 PM
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their tiny minds (tiny being the operative word - in all aspects) will explode.
these foolish r’s and d’s all think political. what their foolish a$$e$ should do is thank the essential healthcare workers and scientists that try to help them on a daily basis. but no - they prefer to be the pansies they are and sit back and blame. providing zero to society. nothing “american” about any of them.
god has a plan for them - may they rest in pieces
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