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Orange Blooded [2079]
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Was really looking forward to glowing in the dark....
Feb 12, 2021, 10:28 AM
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This COVID vaccine is so disappointing.
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Oculus Spirit [97734]
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It's not going to work either. At least not as promised.
Feb 12, 2021, 10:50 AM
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Again, you have to read between the lines. It will help a lot, but it's not going to be any better than a flu shot eventually. This virus, which we were told is slow to evolve and could be destroyed by a 95% effective vaccine, well, that's not the case.
A recent study of an immunocompromised patient in South Africa, who spent months with covid before finally dying from it, they tested him many times throughout his treatment. They found the virus mutated frequently during the 145 days he was infected. Several of those mutations within the same patient while sick, were mutations that would make the vaccines less effective. As his already weak immune system fought the virus, it was able to mutate within him to circumvent his antibodies and keep replicating, and those created by the vaccine as well. As well as those antibodies produced in the treatment Trump received.
Writing is on the wall, the vaccines are not going to prevent illness, although they (mostly) prevent severe disease still in healthy people. But the virus will circumvent the vaccines. It's not going to disappear. And odds are in a year, the vaccines will have even less impact as the virus figures out new ways to spread. This will end up a chess match that will play out for years, maybe forever like the flu.
The flu mutates a lot. We can only pack (4 now) strains into a vaccine that's seasonal. As such, those strains are covered. But if a new strain appears, or there's another strain out there not in the vaccine, that's the strain that blows up and gives everyone the flu. Which is why the flu vaccine is nearly pointless in stopping or decreasing the flu. It does help, sometimes, make it less severe though. And that's the main benefit. If nothing else, the covid vaccine gives the body a chance to create antibodies against a similar virus. That helps, in healthy people. But it's a mistake to think it will stop the spread of the virus. It will lower deaths and in the end that's good enough.
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You're stating a truism based on a quoted sample size
Feb 12, 2021, 10:53 AM
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of one.
A 95% efficacy rate is amazing....if only the flu vaccine were so effective. And in numerous studies I've seen, the Pfizer vaccine is remarkably effective against known mutated strains as well.
Still tons of unknowns but I think you're a little early with the thundercloud on the horizon.
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Oculus Spirit [97734]
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The sample size is well over 100 million
Feb 12, 2021, 11:08 AM
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Probably a billion by now. And as such, we haven't sampled anything. The tests were conducted before the virus spread to any level near where it is now. More importantly, it is mutating to circumvent the effectiveness of the vaccines. We were told (along with being 95% effective), that the virus was slow to mutate, and as such that level of vaccine would end the pandemic. That will not happen. It mutates rapidly, and has since day one really.
Furthermore, the CEO of the company making that 95% effective vaccine has already said it will be around forever. He knows. But unwinding the truth takes time.
I think everyone will get the vaccine, but will also get it. And in 5 years from now it will be just like the flu. Seasonal, and far less lethal, again much the same as the flu. And the vaccines WILL help. They will slow the spread, and the severity of people who do get sick. But this is a virus that mutates, and the more vaccinated people it encounters, the more the pressure to mutate to circumvent that. As such, it will be a lot like the flu.
As a side note, the sample size of one is now a sample size of everyone who has the South African variant. There's a sample of one in England as well, unrelated, and that sample size is everyone who has the british variant. They think those who have a prolonged illness, they are driving the mutations. Time will tell. But if that's the case, vaccines will soon be driving the mutations also.
No thundercloud. Just no "end" as people expect, or were told.
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Lot o points [155944]
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You quoted A study of A patient. That's a sample size of 1.***
Feb 12, 2021, 11:09 AM
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Oculus Spirit [97734]
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Ok, then when 100 million people get it
Feb 12, 2021, 11:21 AM
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It will be 95% effective.
I can quote studies of hundreds of patients with multiple variants. That sample of one was to show how they think the mutations started, and it does show the virus evolves, multiple times, in the same individual. That kind of ability to adapt means whatever vaccine you have, is going to be circumvented. No silver bullet, as promised. I'd argue they knew this all along.
Either way, they help. Everyone should get them. But they're not going to end covid. But hopefully make it manageable like the flu and less deadly to be at least closer to the flu.
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Re: Ok, then when 100 million people get it
Feb 12, 2021, 12:51 PM
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Thank God, we have Hydroxychloroquine and Clorox.I take it neat.
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Re: You're stating a truism based on a quoted sample size
Feb 12, 2021, 11:43 AM
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I think that the reality might work out to be somewhere between Tiggity and Obed. It won't be doom and gloom, but i don't think we are going to eradicate this thing either. If we can relegate it to flu status over the long run, that may be a s good as we can do.
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Re: It's not going to work either. At least not as promised.
Feb 12, 2021, 12:08 PM
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Only way to stop mutation is to stop replication. Got to get a handle on the transmission of this thing, and our vaccines will work just fine.
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Don't qualify, which is fine... Still got my Zinc.***
Feb 12, 2021, 11:19 AM
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Legend [15749]
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Oh, don’t worry. You do. Another side effect is that you
Feb 12, 2021, 1:12 PM
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are blind to things that glow in the dark.
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Re: Was really looking forward to glowing in the dark....
Feb 12, 2021, 3:23 PM
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I have a UVC light (long thing bulb) and am currently practicing how to swallow it while turned on. It's a bit gnarly, but I am getting it.
https://youtu.be/oNv0ZtEUaRU?t=221
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