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CU Medallion [73569]
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Uh, did Mr. Science just say this?
Dec 13, 2021, 6:52 AM
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https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdjmwSxH/ John (@jdt518) on TikTok 1.6K Likes, 117 Comments. TikTok video from John (@jdt518). Is this what they said in the beginning ???????? | Those of you that took the Poke are the Test subjects???. original sound.
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Orange Blooded [4679]
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Re: Uh, did Mr. Science just say this?
Dec 13, 2021, 7:20 AM
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Be prepared for some to watch Fauci say that and then say “Fauci did not say that”.
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Re: Uh, did Mr. Science just say this?
Dec 13, 2021, 7:36 AM
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I’m not a Fauci defender. He has never met a camera he didn’t like and by speaking so often he has been caught backtracking quite a bit.
I have heard of what Fauci said re: the possibility that the vaccine could make things worse in those exposed to COVID. He should have been more transparent about that early on.
Fortunately, your chances of getting seriously ill or dying from COVID remain much greater if you haven’t been vaxxed or have some degree of acquired immunity, so his concerns over this possibility have not come to pass. We’re a year out on the vaccine.
Had he widely expressed the possibility of the vaccine causing a poor response to COVID, probably even less people would have signed up.
Nonetheless, he should have laid that out from the beginning to all of us. He lied re: masks.
We can handle the truth.
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He's just a beaurocrat mouthpiece for our poor leadership
Dec 13, 2021, 8:08 AM
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With a lot of science background to somehow make him seem credible. He isn't any more credible than his bosses IMO. And that spanned from Obama to Trump to Biden.
I purposefully left out Bush because he was the last President to actually take any real steps to prepare for a pandemic.
I'd wager if he and ObamaBushTrump had a do-over, Fauci would probably tell the truth about masks, as he would have been instructed to. Problem was masks are not profitable. Americans don't want to make them, much less buy them for no reason. But we want them desperately for medical staff. So we lied about it, thinking it would be better for hospitals and nurses to have the masks than the public. Utter failure. What good is a mask, for hospital staff, if the public not wearing them gets sick at a rate that hospital and staff can't accommodate? The biggest blessing with covid is it is generally less, or even not contagious, by the time people need a hospital bed with it.
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Oculus Spirit [97732]
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It is a real possibility with traditional vaccines.
Dec 13, 2021, 7:37 AM
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That's why we went with mRNA. J&J has a much higher chance of ADE. Supposedly they added something to prevent that. But why I wouldn't take it. MRNA is 100% Wuhan covid. J&J and viral vector vaccines are less... Maybe 99.2% similar antibody to covid. That .8% can be used by the virus to mutate into something that circumvents the rest to give an advantage.
The lst two worse (more transmissible) variants developed in places with very low vaccination rates.
India and South Africa. That's good news showing that ADE isn't happening. Mother nature is way ahead of us here. Bad news is ADE doesn't need to happen.
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xtiger will respond once he hears what Tucker has to say
Dec 13, 2021, 8:28 AM
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on the matter
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Oculus Spirit [97732]
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In theory, and so far in practice, there is zero chance of
Dec 13, 2021, 9:03 AM
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ADE with mRNA vaccines. It is the exact replica of the covid spike protein. So your antibodies you create are an exact match to those you would make fighting it naturally without a vaccine. It gives covid nothing new to look at to evolve to circumvent. If you use a mouse, rat, moth, or another virus as a vector in the vaccine, the antibody you create will be different to the antibody you produce from natural infection. Covid then has different antibodies to fight, and it then learns to beat them.
None of this applies to covid. There are lots of viral vector vaccines out there besides J&J this could apply to. And so far no ADE. It doesn't need to develop ADE. If the vaccines stopped transmission, then yeah, it would need ADE to proliferate, and it would be a danger.
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Being a bureaucrat for 40 years
Dec 13, 2021, 12:27 PM
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should throw red flags all over the place.
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Oculus Spirit [97732]
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Glad he posted them, because I don't have a clue what Fauci
Dec 13, 2021, 1:10 PM
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says until someone gets ticked off and posts it in here.
Good to keep up to date on the beaurocrat talking points.
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I'm not sure his initial statement was a lie. Have said this
Dec 13, 2021, 10:32 AM
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before, but the answer to whether "masks work" is:
- in any given encounter: yes, on a percentage, not absolute, basis.
- to affect the eventual progress of the virus in a population: no.
That is not my opinion, is proven (multiple times) fact. If you and I are having a conversation, we should wear them. If we want to blame someone for the spread of the virus because they were not sufficiently pro masks, that is just partisan politics. He was right the first time, then wrong the second time. What he didn't do was explain the difference between the two definitions of 'work', which led to a very divisive and unnecessary battle between two sides on this issue.
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