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So if you don't already avoid College Avenue
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Tom Winkopp
Feb 4, 2014, 11:40 PM
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What are tigernet thoughts about this guy? I've heard good and bad.
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Re: Tom Winkopp
Feb 4, 2014, 11:48 PM
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Potential sociopath comes to mind. But I'm sure that will get some panties in a wad.
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He started killing Clemson long ago
Feb 4, 2014, 11:49 PM
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May as well let him finish the job.
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Classic carpetbagger ...
Feb 4, 2014, 11:58 PM
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I'm not sure where he came from. He just sort of oozed into town back in the 90s.
Since then he has been instrumental in practically every ill-conceived new development crammed into downtown Clemson.
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Vermont. But graduated in 1988.***
Feb 5, 2014, 12:00 AM
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Vermont, huh? Well that explains the "cheesiness"
Feb 5, 2014, 12:12 AM
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I had no idea he went to Clemson though.
Would love to see how his development ideas would go over in Stowe, VT ...
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Re: Dadgummit, I ain't done yet on this subject
Feb 5, 2014, 12:05 PM
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THAT was awesome 
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Re: Tom Winkopp
Feb 5, 2014, 6:20 AM
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He's a friend of mine and I can tell you, he's given more money to IPTAY than everyone on here combined, he's a diehard Clemson fan and supports all sports. He is very generous and a great businessman. Is he perfect? No, neither am I or anyone else. Lay off him personally, this is a business deal. Tom would never do anything that would impact Clemson negatively.
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good luck.***
Feb 5, 2014, 8:24 AM
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Re: Tom Winkopp
Feb 5, 2014, 9:06 AM
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I havent seen your name in a while. Must be painful to see the Tigers in 3rd in the ACC.
Also I am not shocked he would be friends with a loser like you.
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Re: Tom Winkopp
Feb 5, 2014, 9:09 AM
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Thanks for your input, Tom!
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He might not ever do anything intentially to "impact Clemson
Feb 5, 2014, 9:14 AM
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negatively." Unfortunately, everyone has a different idea of what "negative" is.
And many people only care about making sure their wallet is very "positive."
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LOL...
Feb 5, 2014, 12:57 PM
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of course he has given a lot of money to IPTAY. Like you said, he is a businessman and thinks that if he keeps the University happy he may not get much negative reactions to his "business deal".
He is nothing but a money hungry person that does not care who his "business deals" impact. You just don't take a quaint little college town and turn it into a mini big city, especially with 2 lanes for traffic.
PS:not surprised you guys are friends
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Re: LOL...
Feb 5, 2014, 1:24 PM
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How would this turn Clemson into a mini big city? This is turning it from a tiny little downtown into a little downtown.
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So in your mind, Clemson is becoming a "mini big city?"
Feb 5, 2014, 3:52 PM
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Please.
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Tom Winkopp is not good for Clemson
Mar 6, 2014, 1:26 PM
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He is not good for this town, look at the crap he has made
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You just posted the same exact thing in the same thread.
Mar 6, 2014, 1:28 PM
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You realize that right?
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guess he's out of bank-o-rupt***
Feb 5, 2014, 8:22 AM
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i beat him in tennis a few times
Feb 5, 2014, 3:05 PM
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He cant hit through the ball
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Re: Tom Winkopp : He is bad for Clemson
Mar 6, 2014, 1:06 PM
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Bad to have him in Clemson to mess up this town
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No to this project!
Feb 4, 2014, 11:40 PM
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I think I speak for many when I say we love our little town on the shores of Lake Hartwell and having the hills in our backdrop. I'd be upset to see high rises and parking garages. I just don't believe it would fit. Keep that chit closer to the interstate.
And I get what some will say about get with the times you dinosaur. Cities evolve and populations grow, free enterprise, we're falling behind...blah blah blah. I don't care. Keep it the way it is! I've always feared the metro- expansion of our lovely piece of Heaven. Let's keep it that way!
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Nah, you nailed it.
Feb 4, 2014, 11:55 PM
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It's an infrastructure problem. You can't add such housing without improving the already congestion flow.
But as long as some people make their dollar, I guess that's all that matters.
Or maybe a better question: since this is student housing, has the enrollment at Clemson increased so significantly that this meets a demand?
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Last I saw there were a total of over 20,000 students
Feb 5, 2014, 5:41 AM
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in all programs. I had no idea.
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LOL....I remember Bob Edwards speaking of a 10,000
Feb 5, 2014, 5:59 AM
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student future enrollment and thinking that incredulous.
Of course, that's because we only had about 4000+ when I was there, and we thought that was enough!
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Re: LOL....I remember Bob Edwards speaking of a 10,000
Feb 5, 2014, 9:08 AM
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Which of the Oaks @ Fort Hill did you plant?
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Now that my blood pressure is at Defcon 3 upon hearing this...
Feb 4, 2014, 11:59 PM
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Dagnabbit this will not stand. While they're at it, let's just pollute all the water sources and kill off all the fish like dumplumbia! Might as well bulldoze the Appalachian's cause it's in the way of westward expansion. Build big or go home, right Mr. Developer who is genuinely "keeping Clemson's best interest in mind." Grrrr! For fox sake! Leave it the way it is! More Mayberry and less Atlanta.
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Re: No to this project!
Feb 5, 2014, 9:16 AM
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Forget about the roads hell the sanitary sewer system downtown already struggles on gameday.
You add in that many people and it will not be good.
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AMEN!!! This will ruin downtown Clemson.***
Feb 5, 2014, 10:13 AM
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Just like the buildings near Esso "ruined" it?
Feb 5, 2014, 12:37 PM
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I remember those rants, and everything is still fine in that area, Esso is still packed every Friday and Game-Day, and the shade coming from the buildings is actually kind of nice in the summer.
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Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 5:52 AM
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work at the bottom of the hill near the old Astro III.
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Feb 5, 2014, 6:40 AM
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Wrong ... it will be across from the Baptist Church
Feb 5, 2014, 11:31 AM
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It' not really near the Astro at all.
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I think the Carolina Real Estate office
Feb 5, 2014, 8:23 AM
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down the hill and across from the Astro (kind of). So even a tall structure will not appear that tall when it's at the bottom of a hill.
I think the additional traffic on College Avenue will more of an issue that the actual structure will.
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:17 PM
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it's right across from Backstreets corner...they've already started construction actually & ripped down all those old eye-sore apartments & housing there.
it may be just too big, but the design & look of it will fit in well!
it's replacing that old chitty housing there, which IS good, but it's adding ALOT.
true: don't know if the sewer system can handle it there at that spot, because they're already in bad shape & get to stinking in the summer & hot months (even football season).
maybe it could be scaled down some in height/size & be a fit. the design looks nice & fits Clemson's red brick architecture.
i'm not necessarily for it, but something nicer in that spot would be a plus if it doesn't steal the view & our eyes becoming an obstruction.
traffic there is already screwed...
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:25 PM
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Wait, so is this taking up the block which is surrounded by Earle, McCollum, Keith, and Finley Streets? If so, this is 100% perfect for that spot.
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:28 PM
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I thought it was right on College Ave, so that's why I'm asking.
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:31 PM
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it starts on the way to the top of the hill there following the street up. catty-corner from Backstreets & Overtime's corner.
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:29 PM
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it's the block between Earl St (i think that the street between Backstreets & Tigertown Tavern) & University Ridge (already a high-rise).
I look at the signs & poured concrete base structure & signs for the development every time i walk out of Backstreets...
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:33 PM
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Ahhh ok, so they knocked down the old Lacrosse House? Are they going to cover up the parking lot back there too (hopefully)?
Personally, this is perfect. Let them develop this sort of area to the max so we can prevent sprawling out away from the campus even more.
P.S. Don't call the Ridge a high rise! It's 3 stories tall! Clemson House & Lever/Manning/Byrnes aren't even really high-rises in the grand scheme of things!
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:42 PM
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you know what i mean...being up top on the hill & seen from every angle.
this will be much taller apparently...
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:43 PM
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UR is 4 stories i know on one end at least...
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:44 PM
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True. But seeing as this is in the perfect location for this type of development, I don't know what the problem is. This will do nothing but improve downtown. I'd love to see that whole area built up.
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Re: Do they have a proposed site on college ave? It might
Feb 5, 2014, 12:46 PM
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i've said the image & architecture fits!!! looks niiiice!
heck, i thought about finding out what they're going for to purchase
(rent it, or use, or live in it...)
cha-ching!!!!
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Get involved and stop this!
Feb 5, 2014, 8:40 AM
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Believe me the town and university care what you think. If this albatross goes up all the students living there will have their friends over Clemson weekends and you won't find a parking spot in downtown Clemson.
College avenue traffic will be worse and the merchants will suffer.
This thing looks a lot like the condos you find on the edge of USuC. Is that what we want for Clemson?
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Merchants will suffer? Its going to have retail on the
Feb 5, 2014, 9:19 AM
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street level. Exactly what you want in a small village environment. Residences above retail creating a walkable community. This is not some strip mall that people will drive to.
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Please, 6 stories is not a high rise and there are dorms on
Feb 5, 2014, 9:03 AM
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campus taller than this. This looks much better than those government housing looking dorms. I don't buy the whole traffic thing either. Its 2014 and not 1970 anymore and demand calls for more luxury student housing. Downtown has never looked better and stuff like this gets the 18 year olds including the athletic recruits more excited. Get over it. Progress happens.
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Re: Please, 6 stories is not a high rise and there are dorms on
Feb 5, 2014, 9:17 AM
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Well said
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Re: Please, 6 stories is not a high rise and there are dorms on
Feb 5, 2014, 9:18 AM
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There is nothing to buy with the traffic thing. It is a fact this will bring more congestion to downtown Clemson. To say it wont is just idiotic.
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ok so you develop a plan to deal with it....I don't see the
Feb 5, 2014, 9:21 AM
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size of the school shrinking...it's growing so you need more housing. Obviously there needs to be a partnership between the developers and the planners.
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Re: ok so you develop a plan to deal with it....I don't see the
Feb 5, 2014, 9:22 AM
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Develop a plan to deal with it?
So wonderful doesnt want to hurt Tom is going to also install and pay for infrastructure improvements to support this structure?
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develop a plan to deal with increased traffic
Feb 5, 2014, 9:38 AM
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increase people...increased services needed....growth doesn't just stop.
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But it doesn't need to be in downtown clemson.***
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