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TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 1:23 PM
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College football was built upon geography and regional rivalries. It's what fueled much of the pageantry of the sport. It (the geography aspect) is obviously being torn apart, destroyed. The sport I fear is following suit.
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 1:36 PM
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All the more reason to get the h*ll out of this sinking ship conference what ever the cost. These are the dying quivers of a conference heading to total irrelevance. 1st choice:: SEC DISTANT 2nd choice: B1G
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How can Clemson leave the Grant of Rights suicide pact?***
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Sep 2, 2023, 2:46 PM
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 1:30 PM
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very very pisitve move.
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 1:30 PM
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Ww are leaving anyway, let it go!
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
Sep 3, 2023, 6:51 AM
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We will let FSU leave first then we will scramble to find another conference…very reactivr
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Hopefully were SEC bound in a year or two!***
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Sep 2, 2023, 1:32 PM
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 1:38 PM
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For all that though this was a good move, now I hope that you see that it was a crippling move for where Clemson stands with our FB program, and it has made it near impossible for Clemson to find it's way out of this pure sissy sissy conference that is going no where fast with the weakest class of FB schools in the world that most will see the ACC as a pansy conference that will end up dragging Clemson down to the pansy level with the rest the pansy schools known as the ACC, the laughing stock of all college sports. It won't even be competitive in Badminton!!!!
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 2:41 PM
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Oh my goodness, you have the longest sentences! Use a few periods here and there!!!
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The whole situation leaves a horrible taste
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Sep 2, 2023, 1:41 PM
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in my mouth. The ACC has been a lousy conference for decades and we should have left years ago when the rumors had us going, along with FSU, to the SEC; back when Mizzou and TA&M jumped ship. This was before the disastrous GOR deal. Clemson should not have sat by and watched all of this happen to us either; we should’ve been looking out for #1 all along, and doing what’s best for Clemson. Now we are trapped in this desperate situation where the leadership is making boneheaded, money-losing decisions that do absolutely nothing to help the conference or close the wealth gap. What a sad day to be in the ACC. I’m ashamed of our conference.
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 1:47 PM
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WOW same thing i said last night
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I am laughing!
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Sep 2, 2023, 1:48 PM
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L O L
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I am crying!***
Sep 2, 2023, 2:52 PM
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This is a disaster for Clemson football, long-term.
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Sep 2, 2023, 3:03 PM
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The freeloaders voted "yes" in order to prevent the TV-valuable schools from escaping. By the time that the Grant of Rights expires in 2036, the TV-valuable schools will likely fade towards football-irrelevance (due to the revenue discrepancy with the SEC & B1G) and become far less valuable to potential suitors.
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^^^100% this. This is the exact answer.***
Sep 3, 2023, 7:02 AM
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Tiny SMU will likely never be more than Wake-level mediocre.
Sep 2, 2023, 3:17 PM
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During SMU's 10 years in the AAC, they've only finished in the top half of that weaker league 3 times (2 of which were just barely in the top half). They haven't won a division title since 2010. And they haven't won a conference title since 1984. They are small (7k students) so they are never going to have a big TV-valuable alumni-viewing audience. Texans love football, but they have lots of (better) options like UT, TAMU, TT, TCU, Baylor, & Houston. Texan recruits who want to stay home have those same options.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SMU_Mustangs_football_seasons
https://www.espn.com/college-football/standings/_/season/2013
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Re: Tiny SMU will likely never be more than Wake-level mediocre.
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Sep 2, 2023, 3:28 PM
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Yeah the SMU add is such a head scratcher. Seems like a strange fit. And I don’t see what part of the “Atlantic Coast” California is on. Maybe I’m just ignorant. Maybe they “identify” with the Atlantic now?
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We either need to provide some coast-affirming care...
Sep 2, 2023, 3:48 PM
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... or change the ACC to the All Coast Conference (Atlantic, Pacific, & Gulf).
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Expect Stanford & Cal recruiting to suffer from travel-times
Sep 2, 2023, 4:00 PM
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I think it's going to be difficult for Stanford and especially Cal to recruit as well as they have because recruits will be turned off by the long-distance East Coast travel. USC, UCLA, Ore, & UW recruits will still have to do some cross-country travel but I assume that the B1G will do pods that keep those schools playing each other as well as a few games against the traditional B1G schools.
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 4:01 PM
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This is an excellent, fact based analysis. I love academics, and the truth is the ACC has been upgraded academically with the arrival of the three new schools, and especially the California schools because they are truly world class (an overused word but one that applies in this instance) institutions of academic distinction.
Athletically is another thing entirely. I have viewed the ACC Commissioner from the start as fighting to keep his job and influence by being passive when active could have made a real difference. The same is true for the Clemson administration, with a preference but without any apparent desire to go public with its displeasure. Going public may not have changed anything in the outcome, but at least the fan base would know being a prisoner to the league was displeasing. Clemson appears from the outside to have been in a "go along to get along" posture. FSU was far more honest about its attitude.
The biggest mistake, and the reason for Clemson's continued imprisonment in the ACC as currently constituted, is the GOR which only an idiot conference and idiot schools would commit at signing to allow to remain in effect for the better part of two decades without any meaningful escape option. This of course serves the best interests of the Commissioner and his hierarchy, but does nothing for any of the leading athletic schools in the conference.
What this geographic spread has accomplished is to provide a bit of presence on the West Coast and Texas for recruiting. It has also made it far more difficult for Clemson students, especially in the non-revenue sports, be actually be student athletes with the travel times for mid-season games in seasons with far more than 11 games. Those poor souls are now athlete-students without a realistic broadly based opportunity to make their college sport into a livelihood.
History proves that crazy, unworkable arrangements don't last in anything. This one is a house built on sand, and it is hard to imagine it can be sustained until 2036. In the meantime, what I see on our orange Clemson athletic uniforms is faded stripes of black and white.
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
Sep 4, 2023, 10:47 AM
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Being an old guy,it's hard now to occasionally stay up late enough to watch the Braves play on the west coast. With this change, many of our basketball, baseball, softball,etc sports will be played on PST meaning many late nights watching, or, more realistically, just not watching.
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 4:06 PM
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As of now you have no idea how the conference will be divided, how schedules will be made and how many cross country trips will ne necessary. Time will tell how this works out but what is done is done.
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 4:41 PM
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Time to put departure from this train wreck into overdrive. Whatever the lawyers need to do, do it NOW! The ACC has forever done way, way, less for Clemson than Clemson has done for the conference. Find a way!
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Apparently no lawyer (SEC, B1G, B12, ACC) found GOR loophole
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Sep 3, 2023, 12:15 AM
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If there was an escape loophole in the Grant of Rights, then one of the dozens of smart lawyers working for FSU, Clemson, UNC, the SEC, B1G, Big-12, et al would have found it, and at least 3 ACC teams would have left.
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 6:36 PM
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This may be the kiss of death for Clemson football if we don’t find a way to get out of this xhlt conference.
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SMU should be division II. Cal? Really? Stunford is okay but
Sep 2, 2023, 6:38 PM
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clearly not on the Atlantic coast
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
Sep 2, 2023, 6:42 PM
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Please Clemson, FSU, Duke and UNC leave this joke of conference. THE ACC is dying on the vine.
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Not thrilled either, but it is hard to say that Cal, SMU
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Sep 2, 2023, 6:51 PM
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and Stanford make the league weaker. How can it be any weaker than it was. As for geography, the only league that makes sense geographically is the SEC. The BigTen, the league I hope we end up in, makes no sense geographically now. The Big 12, Big Ten, ACC, AAC and all others span the nation.
I hope Clemson makes it into the BigTen or SEC, but this is what the ACC is now and I think it is better with these three additions than it was before.
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ACC should have added West Virginia as soon as the
Sep 2, 2023, 7:00 PM
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SEC added Texas and Oklahoma, or when the Big added UCLA and Southern Cal. Now WVU has a GOR also, until 2030.
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As much as I despise the Gamecocks..
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Sep 2, 2023, 7:25 PM
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it looks like they made the right move when they left the ACC way back in 1971.
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The financial drain of football money to
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Sep 2, 2023, 7:53 PM
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The financial drain of the little bit of shared football money we have being further diluted to pay for the cost of non-revenue generating sports is going to be catastrophic. Stanford, SMU, the University of California, Berkeley board of regents are extremely wealthy, and they can afford to drain all of the relatively non-wealthy traditional ACC schools into financial ruin with all the travel and NIL in non-revenue sports. It will be extremely expensive to compete with Stanford in the non-revenue sports.
Stanford has so much big donor money that they can throw at whatever they want to. They can continue to fund the non-football sports that they find so valuable. There are many reasons beyond no additional football money why the BIG did not want Stanford.
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Re: As much as I despise the Gamecocks..
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Yeah, I saw last night how far they’ve come. Thanks, but I’ll take our record and accomplishments over theirs. Not saying I want Clemson to stay in the ACC, but other than the SEC checks they’ll be cashing, there’s nothing over the last 30+ years that I envy. They’re good at Alabama/UGA/LSU teat-sucking, like the rest of their conference.
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 7:44 PM
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I can see with the addition of these schools the conference being weaker athletically. I can’t wait for Clemson to leave this mess known as the ACC.
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
Sep 3, 2023, 8:30 AM
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I have to admit, I’m biased. I am Rutgers Alum with a Junior at Clemson. I would love to see Clemson in the Big10. But my question is, if money is the issue with breaking away from the ACC, wouldn’t the 70mil that each Big10 school is getting from its new TV contract be enough to pay the penalty for leaving the conference?
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
Sep 3, 2023, 9:41 PM
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I have to admit, I’m biased. I am Rutgers Alum with a Junior at Clemson. I would love to see Clemson in the Big10. But my question is, if money is the issue with breaking away from the ACC, wouldn’t the 70mil that each Big10 school is getting from its new TV contract be enough to pay the penalty for leaving the conference?
It is not just the money. The way it was explained the way the GOR is written also means any school which leaves will forfiet all future television revenue back to ACC until the end of the GOR. Basically unless a majority leave at once and dissolve the conference and the GOR, then no one will be able to leave. Essentially FSU and Clemson are trapped.
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
Sep 2, 2023, 7:59 PM
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They pull a move like this and TOTALLY redeem themselves
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 9:30 PM
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This will prove to be one of the dumbest moves that college sports has EVER made!
I expect our team to find a way to get out of the ACC .... sooner than later
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Re: TNET: Cal, Stanford, SMU make ACC weaker, geographically nonsensical
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Sep 2, 2023, 9:40 PM
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Well written Mr. Kantor and spot on. This is truly the end of the ACC. The dwarfs of the conference that did this deserve everything that is coming their way. I can not wait until we tell them adios.
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We are out! This was a move to solidify out position
Sep 2, 2023, 9:44 PM
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Thank you PACNONE!
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We need to start a GoFundMe acct to raise money for whatever costs it takes to leave ACC
Sep 3, 2023, 10:44 AM
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We may be a relatively small fan base compared to others but we are just as passionate and would all come together to pay whatever it is we need to pay to break these chains. The SEC or B1G would be honored to take us and our annual "rivalry" 😅 with the yardbirds wouldn't be in jeopardy if we joined the SEC.
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