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Lee is brownell

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Apr 17, 2022, 3:52 PM

Change my mind

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Lee has won an ACC Championship...Next.***

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Apr 17, 2022, 3:57 PM



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Re: Lee has won an ACC Championship.. And if he doesn’t find


Apr 17, 2022, 3:59 PM

Nm

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Re: Lee has won an ACC Championship...Next.***


Apr 17, 2022, 4:08 PM

Good point. But we have got worse every year he’s been here. Am I wrong? No..

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Apr 17, 2022, 4:39 PM

No. You are right. While Brownell's teams seesaw, Lee's teams have gotten progressively worse since winning the ACC tournament. However, just like Brownell, Lee will probably do just enough to keep his job and saddle us with more mediocre baseball. The biggest difference is Clemson has a history of playing very good baseball. So watching what Lee has done to the baseball program is even more painful than watching some of Brownell's patented choke jobs.

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Yew would have to multiply Lee's salary by 5.6 times, THEN,

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Apr 17, 2022, 4:47 PM

he might be Brad Brown-L.

The two salaries SHOULD tell you which would be the more important sport. But, at Clemson, I would almost wager many more people care about baseball than basketball.

Probably because, at least for a long time, we were very good at baseball, even though we never quite brought home the Big Prize. Basketball has only been within even three games of the Big Prize ONCE. One Elite Eight.

We had never even made The Dance in basketball AT ALL, prior to 1980. That year was, you guessed it, our only Elite Eight. It's been mostly downhill from there.

:(

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Re: Yew would have to multiply Lee's salary by 5.6 times, THEN,


Apr 17, 2022, 4:50 PM

And 1980 was only because of an expanded NCAA tournament. And you are right. More Clemson fans care about baseball than basketball. Basketball just happens to generate revenue.

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Re: Lee is brownell

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Apr 17, 2022, 4:56 PM

No body is Brad Brownell... he is should not be compared to anyone. It is what it is after 12 years...

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Lee is brownell meaning they both end with winning streaks


Apr 17, 2022, 5:05 PM

That is what you mean right as I was on the pos. side of your 50%, but you are still failing...hmm, I must have thought wrong - prove me otherwise.

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Apr 17, 2022, 6:01 PM

The problem with your analogy is our baseball program has a rich tradition of success where as our basketball program not so much. I will say it was a fine reach on a Sunday and I just hope you did not pull anything in the effort to support your flawed viewpoint

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The Lunatic Fringe Always In Action

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Apr 17, 2022, 8:38 PM

You guys need to worry about your own jobs and stop worrying about coaching jobs. What you say or think does not matter. It's just white noise. That's why it is the Lunatic Fringe. Nobody is listening except the small hunting party always wanting to fire coaches.

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Firing underperforming coaches isn't a "lunatic fringe"

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Apr 17, 2022, 9:01 PM

It literally happens ALL THE TIME in big time college athletics (Our BB coach being the exception).

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Re: Firing underperforming coaches isn't a "lunatic fringe"

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Apr 17, 2022, 9:23 PM


It literally happens ALL THE TIME in big time college athletics (Our BB coach being the exception).



The fringe like yourself are clueless in terms of understanding CBB has not underperformed based on historical performance or investment. If anything he as outperformed the historical average. Guess facts are not your strong suit

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Some people here actually expect us to be really good


Apr 17, 2022, 9:41 PM

at every sport all the time.

And if we aren’t, the coach/ AD is failing us.

It’s hilarious.

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Cobbox on Brad Brownell: “His only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


Re: Some people here actually expect us to be really good

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Apr 17, 2022, 10:29 PM

“every” sport “all of the time” = strawman argument. Know your logical fallacies. Trolls love to use them.

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Or just having a winning record in our conference after...

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Apr 17, 2022, 10:33 PM

12 years as the head coach...

Too much to ask?

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Re: Or just having a winning record in our conference after...

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Apr 17, 2022, 11:36 PM

C’mon jstone D329. This is your big chance. If we’re “ clueless in terms of understanding CBB has not underperformed” then you can give us the name of 1 coach who has done less in a 12 year term. If he hasn’t underperformed there should be plenty to pick from.

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He's probably still looking...***

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Apr 18, 2022, 12:19 AM



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It has been 12 years…

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Apr 18, 2022, 8:07 AM

That’s plenty

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Based on what?

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Apr 18, 2022, 1:24 PM

You do realize that we outperform the administration’s investment in the men’s basketball program, right?

You do understand that Brad has the best record versus the ACC in our program’s history, right?

You do value the clean program he runs, right?

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Re: Based on what?


Apr 18, 2022, 1:34 PM

1) not true

2) not equivalent. (They ACC has expanded to 15 during his tenure and is significantly worse for it. Adjusted for SOS or RPI we is the least successful coach other than Shyatt).

3) no

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More unintentional gold from JK.

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Apr 18, 2022, 1:22 PM

It’s actually their job dummy.

Some people expect Principals and Teachers to provide good education. It’s hilarious.

Some people expect Tire companies and sales people to sell tires that don’t explode. It’s hilarious.

Some people expects cooks and waiters to serve food not covered in feces. It’s hilarious.

Some people expect an AD not to pay the second highest paid employee in the state well into his second decade for mediocre work. It’s hilarious.

Yes, holding people (very highly paid people at that) to account for their work is bat sh*t crazy. What are we thinking.

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I sense a tinge of sarcasm


Apr 19, 2022, 9:31 PM

Well said sir

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For relaxing times, make it Suntory time


LMAO....You sound obsessed with Brad. Guess we found our...

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Apr 17, 2022, 10:32 PM

"lunatic fringe"

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Apr 17, 2022, 10:35 PM

I have previously asked for any Brad Brownell Bro to name a single Power 5 coach, ever, to coach 12 years at a single program and do less. The only answer anyone offered was Mark Turgeon at Maryland. Turgeon not only wasn’t at Maryland as long as Brownell has been at Clemson before being fired at Clemson he did indisputably more. So, since you’re so good with facts I’ll invite you, again, to name a single Power 5 coach to serve 12 or more seasons and do less than Brownell. Should be easy since he’s such a great coach. Just one.

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There is no one...ZERO coaches have achieved as little as...

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Apr 17, 2022, 10:39 PM

Brad at a major program in 12 years.

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This:The Lunatic Fringe Always In Action


Apr 17, 2022, 9:52 PM

Oh, he didn't mean both end with winning streaks?

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Re: The Lunatic Fringe Always In Action

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Apr 17, 2022, 10:05 PM

The Brad cultists would have to agree that if Monte wins 5 late games but still ends up barely over 0.500 and we miss making a Regional that he needs to stay and is the best thing for Clemson.

Riiiiiiight? Riiiiiiiiiiiight???

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That would give them another excuse for Brad...


Apr 17, 2022, 10:36 PM

Like they need anymore. I think there is really about 5 people on this bored that are in bed with Brad that have about 12 accounts and post constantly about how "not too bad" he is.

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Apr 18, 2022, 7:15 AM


The Brad cultists would have to agree that if Monte wins 5 late games but still ends up barely over 0.500 and we miss making a Regional that he needs to stay and is the best thing for Clemson.

Riiiiiiight? Riiiiiiiiiiiight???




Seems you find it difficult to grasp that the potential and history of the two programs are vastly different. Monte has underperformed vs our historical standard and Brad has slightly outperformed our historical averages for basketball. Not sure why you think it’s appropriate to lump the two unrelated and dissimilar variables and draw a conclusion except your reaching to support to accept your flawed narrative

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Apr 18, 2022, 1:08 PM

Why are you dodging my question above? I even tagged you. C’mon bro. You can do it.

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LOL at you actually being open to a change of mind.

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Apr 17, 2022, 9:09 PM

No one here should waste their time.

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Re: Lee is brownell

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Apr 17, 2022, 9:56 PM

Lee is much worse. He rolled into a storied baseball program and has proceeded to do nothing but have his a$s team's smashed at home by lower seeded teams with dominant arms. Namely Vandy and Okie St. Just smoked.

Brownell, while not doing particularly well walked into a perpetual mediocre basketball program.

No comparison

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Interesting...I thought the same thing...


Apr 17, 2022, 10:48 PM

Then I looked at the record and we finished unranked from 2012 to Leggett's last year in 2015. Every year we didn't even host a regional and never made a Super.

Then in Lee's first 4 years we finished ranked 4 times, hosted 3, and won an ACC Title. Two years ago was pretty bad but I never realized how well Lee did compared to the previous 4 under Leggett.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Clemson_Tigers_baseball_seasons

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Apr 18, 2022, 1:27 PM

Those facts won't sit well with some on here. They will point to last year's team finishing below .500 and say Lee is trending downward. They will fail to acknowledge that the 2020 team was headed toward being one of Clemson's best of the 2000s with Strider, Weatherly, et al. But facts don't fit their narrative.

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has it ever occurred to u that maybe u don't like Clemson


Apr 18, 2022, 4:30 PM

anymore?

I think half the Tnetters on this board talk more crap about our teams and coaches than any of our rivals boards do. You hate the coaches we have and will hate the new ones too i'm sure. Alot of ya'll hated Leggett too. There were an awful lot of haters on here way back then. I hear coach K is available. And then maybe we'll go get Bobby Cox. I understand venting frustration from time to time but its becoming the theme here. Fire Everybody and then just pick a name from a hat.. maybe that'll work.

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