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The lack of experience of our coaching staff and recruiting.

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May 14, 2022, 8:42 AM
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There's no doubt we're getting hammered on the recruiting trail about the lack of experience, especially on offense, of our staff.

I'm not suggesting Dabo should've hired more experienced coaches, but it's just a reality that we're dealing with. Other schools are saying "none of those national champ coaches are around". Jeff Scott - gone. Elliott - gone. Venables - gone. Streeter - never done this before. Kyle Richardson - who is that guy? Spiller - brand new at coaching. Grisham - Look how poor WRs were at Clemson last year.

"Don't risk your next 3 short years with inexperienced guys that haven't shown results yet."

Even defensively, we have a DC who has never even coached college football. None of this means that Dabo made bad hires. But it makes for some tough sledding on the recruiting trail. We still have a ton to sell, and Dabo has a lot of equity.

All that said, it's critical to make the playoff this year to shut down this nonsense. It's a must this year to give credibility to our new coaching staff. Otherwise, all this noise from rival schools is going to continue that Clemson is in the past.

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May 14, 2022, 8:47 AM
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Win the games and it shuts all the criticism down. Go Tigers!

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May 14, 2022, 8:56 AM
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You wasted a lot of time with that drivel!!! Nice trolling.

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Not trolling. It's a critical year.

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May 14, 2022, 8:59 AM
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If we miss the playoff again, it's not like we are just gonna disappear.

But I think making the playoff this year will set us up really well for another run.

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Re: Not trolling. It's a critical year.

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May 14, 2022, 9:06 AM
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Caddie said:

If we miss the playoff again, it's not like we are just gonna disappear.

But I think making the playoff this year will set us up really well for another run.


I too believe we have to make the playoff this year. It's really starting to feel like we reached our peak and are now on a downward trend. I'm really hoping we don't wait 5 games into the season to make a qb change like we did with Trevor.

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It doesn’t just feel that way. It’s a fact

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May 15, 2022, 12:35 PM
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Our results have been on the decline. Especially when we have gotten into the CFP.

Here’s to getting the offense rolling this year

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May 14, 2022, 9:01 AM
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This is why you're the Caddie and Dabo is the pro.

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Nowhere in my post was I critical of any hire.


May 14, 2022, 9:08 AM
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I think you’re an idiot if you don’t trust Dabo’s judgement.

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May 14, 2022, 9:56 AM
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I'd like to save this post for future reference.

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May 14, 2022, 9:08 AM
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"Gloom ,despair ,and agony on me..."
"The sky is falling, the sky is falling...
Every Saturday during football season will be Friday the 13th.
I lost my "lucky" rabbit's foot.
Mama told me not to pick up the penny that was laying face-down!
I was always told not to walk under a ladder.
Seriously, do you think our coaching staff is not up to the task. Even with Venables, Scott and Elliott, we lost in the semifinals to OSU or got hammered by LSU the last two trips to the College Football Playoff's.
Every team has coaching changes, but one thing Clemson has not changed is the Head Man.
When that happens then you can call me out.

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May 14, 2022, 10:13 AM
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This is so poorly written. My answer is that I don't have the memory of a goldfish. Clemson was going to fire Dabo until he ended up hiring Venables. Clemson was very bad the first 5-6 years of Dabo's head coach career. Yeah, I know Clemson won the ACC in 2011 in a very bad year before getting pummeled by West Virginia. We also lost 5 years in a row to the gamecocks. At that point, Dabo hired the best defensive coordinator in football who was really good at learning the signals of the other coaches and quickly putting them into action (which is entirely legal and fair game). That defensive coordinator also recruited the best defensive line to ever play college football. But at a certain point, you have to realize that all of Clemson's success has come from a time when they had: (1) the best defensive line, (2) 2 college football hall of fame quarterbacks, and (3) the best defensive coordinator in college football. The second we lost (1), our team promptly nose-dived in performance.

I am very appreciate for what Dabo has done, but you don't give $10 million to someone for perpetuity based on past accomplishments. He has to adapt to the changing landscape of college football, and learn how to succeed without those things. So far, it appears he is struggling to do so. Obviously, he's earned a longer leash. But it's downright pathetic and stupid to keep saying you have absolute faith in one person when Clemson has lost 4 of its last 5 top 5 matchups, 3 in dominating fashion.

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May 14, 2022, 9:12 AM
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Bama cycles their coaches every year. Pete Golding had no experience a couple years ago before being promoted to d coordinator and they had the highest rated class of all time. They do generally hire experienced ex coaches though, but usually they have no track record of much success with BOB being the only one to really accomplish anything before getting there.

I see your point but I don’t think that’s it. Dabo is the closer always on both sides of the ball and one of the best to do it.

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Agree 100%

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May 14, 2022, 9:15 AM
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Gotta prove it on the field this year.

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It’s May, not December. Clemson has the same number of


May 14, 2022, 9:53 AM
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recruits as Alabama has right now.

A lot can and will happen over the next six months.

Texas Tech is killing it on the recruiting trail at the moment.

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It's a mistake to gauge our recruiting


May 15, 2022, 5:17 AM
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based on our close vicinity to Alabama in the current recruiting rankings. Alabama has a tendency to come on late by landing 1-2 waves of 4&5* commits.

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May 16, 2022, 9:12 PM
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I agree that they have been in a league of their own. But folks who want to dismiss Clemson recruiting need to remember that Dabo has beaten Nick in two out of four head to head match-ups recently.

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Texas Tech?


May 16, 2022, 9:14 PM
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I wouldn’t say they are “killing it”. They have 20 commits, with 3 top 300 kids. Clemson has 3 top 300 kids with 3 commits. It’s still May, I feel confident Clemson will finish above Tech. Way too early.

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LOL

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May 14, 2022, 9:54 AM
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Again


LOL

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May 14, 2022, 11:53 AM
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Not so sure, everyone has to start somewhere. I’ve heard people have absolutely no experience in my industry and they’ve been Rockstars once they figure out what they’re doing. It’s all about what’s under the hood, not how long it’s been on the road

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May 14, 2022, 11:58 AM
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Hired, I meant

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May 14, 2022, 1:49 PM
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Please, don't forget the Tyrannosaurus in the recruiting room - - - NIL 'opportunities' from the truly big money schools versus the potential NIL deals from the 'normal well funded' schools.

It is totally unfair to label any of the new Clemson staff as being poor recruiters. For that matter, neither is it fair to label any of our experienced staff (i.e., those with accomplished records as recruiters) as having 'lost their fastball' on the recruiting trail.

The NIL has changed so much of recruiting.

Clemson will have to put more focus than ever on building relationships with kids / families of kids who recognize that long term benefits of a LEGITIMATE college education that goes along with a CFB platform to maybe play in the NFL is much better than even a very large NIL deal in the $500,000 range.

I have confidence that Dabo recognized that need, and therefore our coaches are focused on making connections with those 'in it for the long run' type kids.

(*) I'll bet you a Quarter Pounder with Cheese Combo that Clemson will have a top 15 class, and that the quality of the people in this class will lead them to perform comparably to the schools which have top 5 classes.

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3rd paragraph: the 2 aren't mutually exclusive****


May 15, 2022, 6:07 AM
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3rd paragraph: the 2 aren't mutually exclusive****


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Currently, their most marketable trait is that Dabo likes them, believes in them, and hired them.

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May 15, 2022, 1:13 PM
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I agree, they leave a lot to be desired in the experience department, especially when it comes to a program on our level.

I won’t be surprised if the hires work out well, but I don’t feel great about it. If they don’t work out, most of our fans will blame NIL rather than Dabo for making those hires. From where I sit, it was a huge gamble though. Dabo could’ve hired much more experienced coaches for those positions.

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Cobbox on Brad Brownell: “His only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


^^^ Didn't believe Dabo was qualified to be head coach. ^^^


May 15, 2022, 1:21 PM
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And that Brad Brownell is the answer to Clemson basketball.

Always great getting this one's take on Clemson athletics matters.

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Dabo wasn’t qualified to be our coach.

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May 15, 2022, 2:28 PM
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There is no debating that.

I was glad we hired him, because I saw a fire and an enthusiasm that we hadn’t had at Clemson in a long time. But I also recognized that it was a risk. It certainly worked out great, but there were some rough times and growing pains his first few years.

Risks don’t always work out. In fact, many times they don’t.

The point is, why risk losing the success we’ve had by hiring people who are under-qualified for their positions? Best is the standard, right?!?

Bringing up basketball is irrelevant and shows that you don’t really have any substance to stand on as it relates to the topic of this thread.

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May 16, 2022, 9:06 PM
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Caddie - I understand what you are getting at. No doubt "negative recruiting is being used". No doubt they bring that up!
However, that has and always be the game you play with recruits. You are a "recruit" and everybody is backstabbing each other! All of that has to be sifted through and sorted.

How did CJ Spiller and Sammy Watkins as talented as they are come all the way to South Carolina to play football when Clemson at the time hadn't won anything in football of note since 1981?

Surely, Bama, Ohio State, Michigan, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Florida State told them: "what, Clemson, pah-lease"!
What made them come anyway?

As someone else mentioned though in the age of NIL; I don't think it's fair to totally judge if our coaches are not high-level recruiters. They may have to get kids the other schools couldn't "bribe" I mean offer NIL deals to. I am not a big beat the ACC up kind of person, but if one believes the ACC is weak then Clemson should have time to grow into a solid "football team"! Perhaps not as talented as the opponent; but a better team that plays better together! Many on T-net believe the ACC is super-weak; I'm not on that train as clearly if you don't just buy into the hype "Every Single Conference has weak teams"! Every single conference has its top two or 3 and everybody else. Clemson has more talent than anybody else in the ACC and with halfway decent QB play and better OL play we win the conference.
The defense will be fine. I think the offense is going to be better than it's been since Trevor's freshman year!

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May 16, 2022, 9:09 PM
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May 14, 2022, 8:42 AM
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There's no doubt we're getting hammered on the recruiting trail about the lack of experience, especially on offense, of our staff.

I'm not suggesting Dabo should've hired more experienced coaches, but it's just a reality that we're dealing with. Other schools are saying "none of those national champ coaches are around". Jeff Scott - gone. Elliott - gone. Venables - gone. Streeter - never done this before. Kyle Richardson - who is that guy? Spiller - brand new at coaching. Grisham - Look how poor WRs were at Clemson last year.

"Don't risk your next 3 short years with inexperienced guys that haven't shown results yet."

Even defensively, we have a DC who has never even coached college football. None of this means that Dabo made bad hires. But it makes for some tough sledding on the recruiting trail. We still have a ton to sell, and Dabo has a lot of equity.

All that said, it's critical to make the playoff this year to shut down this nonsense. It's a must this year to give credibility to our new coaching staff. Otherwise, all this noise from rival schools is going to continue that Clemson is in the past.


some of you wimmens need to change your pad. geeeeez

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Also, LSU and Ohio State losses were


May 16, 2022, 9:15 PM
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I'm sorry: but the LSU "lightning in a bottle" how the Hades they get that lucky to have all those people on campus all at the same time was once in a generation thing. And, "a better game from Trevor and we are right there in that game in the 4th qtr". -Trevor Lawrence.

The QB challenged for a SB. The WR was so good he sat out; still went pro and is lighting up the NFL, the RB I believe played in a SB. Jefferson is a beast in the NFL, Terrance Mathis, Moss, 3 of the 5 OL and oh, Joe Brady. Come on - is that Clemson decline or just nobody being able to hang with a pro all star team?

Ohio State - will end up being the same type deal with some of the WR talent they had. Plus, 6 games "man"! A bunch of "Clemson prep"! It was like they were in the Clemson huddle that game and highly emotional and motivated. BTW, we beat that Butt when they didn't get the extra prep time and played the same amount of games.

Neither of those two cases in my mind would warrant the : "Clemson is in decline tone I am hearing"! Not yet! Those were some exceptional teams by LSU and Ohio State. Give them credit where it's due. Though; I have a hard time with the Ohio State one given the "look the other way nature in which they ended up in the CFP"! But, whatever! 1 - 4 still and two legendary coaches retired essentially by Clemson! BAM!

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