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Softball is more fun to watch than baseball.
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Softball is more fun to watch than baseball.


May 21, 2021, 7:09 PM

Prove me wrong.

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Definitely quicker.


May 21, 2021, 7:16 PM

Tonight is a slow and painful loss.

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Re: Softball is more fun to watch than baseball.


May 21, 2021, 7:21 PM

I can't prove you wrong.

https://www.softballamerica.com/stories/ncaa-softball-is-now-a-revenue-sport/

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Re: Softball is more fun to watch than baseball.


May 21, 2021, 7:30 PM

College baseball still earns more, and the college World Series will always have more viewership, attendance, and revenue than the softball college World Series.

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ALWAYS? That is a ridiculous assertion.***


May 21, 2021, 8:00 PM



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Re: ALWAYS? That is a ridiculous assertion.***


May 21, 2021, 8:04 PM

Show me any data whatsoever where the women’s college World Series had more viewers, attendance, or revenue. You do realize you can look that data up right?

You can’t because the college World Series has ALWAYS been much more popular than the women’s college World Series.

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Swing and a miss


May 21, 2021, 8:58 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.cbslocal.com/2015/06/28/womens-college-world-series-defeats-mens-college-world-series-in-ratings/amp/


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Re: Swing and a miss


May 21, 2021, 9:47 PM



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Re: Swing and a miss


May 21, 2021, 10:02 PM [ in reply to Swing and a miss ]

Wow. I’m honestly shocked. 2015 was a crazy year I guess and I missed that in this article I read. In 2019 the women’s college World Series had its highest viewership since then and a massive increase, but it was still only half the viewership of the College World Series, which was around 1.96 million avg views in 2019.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/espnpressroom.com/us/press-releases/2019/06/espns-womens-college-world-series-super-regional-regular-season-softball-viewership-surges-all-mark-year-over-year-double-digit-viewership-growth-and-set-multi-year-highs/amp/


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.baseballamerica.com/stories/michigan-vanderbilt-produce-big-college-world-series-viewership-for-espn/%3famphtml

So yes technically I was wrong, and I admit that, because I said it never happened. But let’s not act like this is the rule when it’s the exception. I think it had much more to do with matchups and teams playing that had the baseball viewership down and softball viewership up. Vanderbilt played UVA in the championship that year. Vandy was the new kid on the block and who cares about Virginia. There were no blue bloods in that matchup.

Obviously since I missed 2015 I could still be wrong, but I can’t find another instance where the college World Series was beaten by the WCWS in viewership.

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May 21, 2021, 10:05 PM

And that still doesn’t change the CWS brings in way more fans from all over the country and attendance will always be higher. College baseball will also always bring in more money than softball.

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I hate to break it to you, but college baseball is barely a blip on the radar


May 21, 2021, 10:47 PM [ in reply to Re: Swing and a miss ]

when it comes to sports viewership.

Most sports fans have no idea who the “blue blood” college baseball teams are. You sound silly trying to argue that viewership was down because it was Vanderbilt and Virginia and not someone else. Do you honestly think the viewership would have been much different if it were Cal State Fullerton and Arizona State?!?

Answer: no.

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Re: I hate to break it to you, but college baseball is barely a blip on the radar


May 22, 2021, 10:14 AM

Then why has the CWS always had more viewership than the WCWS except for 2015? If I missed a year you’re welcomed to point it out.

College baseball is the third most watched and monetized college sport. So I’m thinking the only one sounding silly here is you saying college baseball is “barely a blip” on sports viewership since there are literally only two sports with higher viewership.

And are you trying to argue that teams playing have nothing to do with viewership? I sure hope not.

https://www.scacchoops.com/top-5-ncaa-sports-by-viewership


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College baseball is a huge money loser


May 22, 2021, 12:08 PM

At 95% of schools. Only a handful of the top programs make money from it.

It often loses more money than any sport, because of the crazy high expenses.

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_5edd22c0-465c-11e7-8b99-c709d5eb08c1.html

^ in the SEC. the top baseball conference. Only LSU and A&M make decent money from baseball. Ole Miss and Arkansas break even, everyone else loses. In some cases drastic amounts

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May 22, 2021, 1:45 PM

So can you show me where softball earns more than baseball as a whole?

The conversation was about baseball vs softball.

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May 22, 2021, 1:50 PM

My bad I see why you said that. I said baseball was the third most watched and monetized sport.

I saw an article posted on here yesterday saying softball this year joined football, baseball, and basketball as the only sports that actually make money. I can’t find that article now, but that’s why I said that. I could have misread it or made a mistake though.

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May 22, 2021, 2:07 PM

So yes I was wrong (shocker huh).

I misremembered what I read. I thought I read that football, basketball, and baseball were the only money makers. What I actually read was the sports that make more money than softball are football, basketball, and baseball.

https://www.softballamerica.com/stories/ncaa-softball-is-now-a-revenue-sport/

“ When we look at all college sports, we see that only three men's sports -- football, men's basketball, and baseball -- report larger revenues than women's softball”

But with all that said, baseball still makes more money than softball.

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Re: College baseball is a huge money loser


May 22, 2021, 2:10 PM

You dug a hole, got called out and then kept digging. Smooth.

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Re: College baseball is a huge money loser


May 22, 2021, 2:20 PM

Lol.

Yes I made two mistakes. Isn’t the first time I’ve made mistakes and won’t be the last. I’m not above admitting mistakes.

Clearly my point still stands. College baseball makes more money than softball. The CWS has more viewership than the WCWS, except 2015. College baseball has more attendance than college softball. That was my original point when I responded to whoever I responded to.

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Re: Softball is more fun to watch than baseball.


May 22, 2021, 12:57 PM [ in reply to Re: Softball is more fun to watch than baseball. ]

"Always" might be a bit strong. Softball continues to gain and is being promoted highly by ESPN. Anyone who wants to know more can do their own research.

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Winning softball is always more fun to watch than losing


May 21, 2021, 7:29 PM

baseball. I don't think you will get many arguments there. :(

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very true.


May 22, 2021, 5:52 AM

great post.

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Re: Softball is more fun to watch than baseball.


May 21, 2021, 7:32 PM

Well since that’s your OPINION and can’t be proven, that’s a pretty asinine thing to say.

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Yep. I been saying this for years


May 21, 2021, 7:44 PM

I got into it when I worked at NDSU in 2016. Y’all are just now catching up. I knew the sport would be a big hit at Clemson

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Maybe because watching women play


May 21, 2021, 7:45 PM

enthusiastically and look like they're having
fun and winning is a nice change of pace from
watching a bunch of guys. A little creepy?

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I’ve started watching it bc the high school my wife works


May 21, 2021, 9:23 PM

at won the state championship in 2019, runner up the year before, good chance they could have won it last year until our beloved COVID. All 5 seniors have scholarships to play in college, one signed with UNC. I’ve compared it to arena league football, smaller field makes for a quicker game. Been watching the games today and have seen some great plays. Very excited about out Lady Tigers and the success they have had so early on. Future looks to be pretty bright as the roster has a lot of freshman

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May 21, 2021, 11:12 PM

As a rule, whatever you're winning in is more fun to watch.
Just sayin...

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May 22, 2021, 12:38 AM

about Softball now. Granted, as is typical of you, it's at the cost of another Clemson program not named Basketball. Baby steps and all that drivel.

Go Tigers!

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I can't


May 22, 2021, 6:04 AM

Lots of other posters hit on this; watching a win is more fun than watching a loss. Even so, I'd rather watch a fast paced 2 hour loss than a plodding 4 hour loss.

Without some major changes baseball on a whole is in a lot of trouble for reasons that have been described many times, so I won't go into that. Bottom line is that Women's softball does a better job at pretty much everything that is prohibiting baseball from attracting new fans: pace of play, time of contest, enthusiasm, humility.

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May 22, 2021, 11:07 AM

Shorter games and we suck at baseball.

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Re: Softball is more fun to watch than baseball.


May 22, 2021, 12:38 PM

It’s actually a lot more fun, in watching a team that is consistently winning, like the softball team is doing right now.

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May 22, 2021, 12:48 PM

I totally agree…..Clemson softball is much more fun to watch than either Clemson’s men’s basketball or baseball…….never thought it would ever get this bad for our baseball or basketball programs…..Go Tigers!!!!!

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I would only make a slight change and say


May 22, 2021, 12:51 PM

That competitive or well played softball is very fun to watch and quicker pace etc. poorly played softball to me is more painful to watch. But I definitely get what you’re saying.

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