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Why do we settle for less in basketball compared to every other sport?
Jan 17, 2024, 11:39 AM
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All the time I hear that Clemson Basketball isn't just Brownells fault for not succeeding, historically our basketball program is not very good. Well, why do we accept that for our program as a whole, outside of Brownell? Looking at our athletic programs across the board, we have some of the best programs in the country for football, baseball, and soccer (mens and women's). We have added women's sports programs the past few years who have seen immediate success in softball, lacrosse, and now gymnastics. We have a terrific athletic department and booster club, why is basketball the spot where we just say that we're just not good?
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Brad and his wife are buddies with President Clements and his wife Beth.***
Jan 17, 2024, 11:42 AM
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I think we did for this season b/c this was going to be the best team
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Jan 17, 2024, 11:49 AM
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that he's had. With all that experience and the first time we've had a handful or scorers so we had to wait and see if this was going to be the year we get over that hump and start being less scared of the tournament. It sure seemed early on that we were heading that direction but have since reverted back to our old selves yet with better talent than the years preceding. I mean not many teams have a senior big ban that is over 6-10, not many teams have a consistent role player getting double doubles every game like Sheff, not many teams have dead eye three point shooting vet/legend in Girard, not many teams have experience like Chase and then to top it off we have guys like a 6-10 Wiggins, physical yet scoring player in Godfrey, and then some of the younger guys with ability.
We've never had this many resourceful guys on one team at Clemson yet.. we still play and look like any of the other teams we've had. I don't' know man.. i'm out of answers. I was all for giving this team a go which meant giving Brad a vote of confidence but man if this team can't break over that hump then is it even possible? Starting to get where i don't really care.
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clarification: we haven't had this type of team during Brad's tenure.***
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Jan 17, 2024, 11:52 AM
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Re: I think we did for this season b/c this was going to be the best team
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Jan 17, 2024, 12:25 PM
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We have had significantly better teams with much lesser talent.
The repeatedly poor coaching in the decision times of games costs us multiple games every season w the Bown L. (Is L short for loser?)
Under Brown L, our teams repeatedly play down to the lower talent levels of our opponents and games that shld become 10-12 point victories end with the outcomes based upon a few random plays or officiating decisions. It's frustrating to watch.
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that's super easy to answer
Jan 17, 2024, 12:20 PM
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Because Neff made the decision last Spring that Clemson Basketball is in a good spot.
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Re: Why do we settle for less in basketball compared to every other sport?
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Jan 17, 2024, 12:29 PM
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Because “we” don’t have a voice in the discussion. Just like we don’t have control over Dabo’s salary or whether he uses the portal or not. We are fans. Our job is to support our teams. We may not like everything that goes on but it is someone else’s job to make the hard decisions. Only decision we have to make is whether to support Clemson or move on to another team. Pretty easy decision for me.
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Why do we settle for less
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Jan 17, 2024, 12:33 PM
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I believe the admin and most all fans of Clemson want the University to be #1 in all things.
I believe that is impossible, but a great goal.
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Part of the added length of the Brownell Malaise Era lies in his
Jan 17, 2024, 12:34 PM
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uncanny knack for doing just enough at the right moments to keep extending the stay. Two seasons ago it was the 5-game winning streak at season's end to put us over .500 after a decent start but big February swoon putting us out of the picture. The 2017-18 season was a hot seat year and a Sweet 16 bought him 3 more years. Before that it was a big NIT run that seemed to have us poised but spiraled down after.
It hasn't been as much an expectation, or lack thereof, IMO that's led us here. More bad timing than anything.
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Because money is a finite resource.
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Jan 17, 2024, 12:35 PM
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Historically, we neglect basketball at Clemson. We do it in the way we spend money on the program, both as an administration as well as a fan base.
It's clear that our performance on the court and in recruiting have improved since we upgraded Littlejohn. I'm not sure what you expect, but a new arena isn't a magic fix to help us start getting top 20 recruiting classes with regularity. It helps, but it's also just one piece of the puzzle.
Since Brad finally got an increased budget for assistants in 2022, our recruiting has improved. Our win total has, too. We won 23 games last year.
I agree, we should have high standards, but our unapologetic identity as a football school, with support for basketball being a very distant second, makes it hard to compete with the basketball-first schools we typically play against in the ACC.
Should Wake Forest fans expect to compete for ACC championships in football every year? How about Boston College? I mean, if their administration all of a sudden decided to have higher standards, and their fans sent angry letters to their AD saying that they demanded better, is that enough to make them one of the best football programs in the ACC?
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That doesn't seem to be a problem for teams like...
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Jan 17, 2024, 12:47 PM
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Tennessee, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas and Oregon (among others).
All of those schools have good football and basketball programs.
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You are responding to a troll that has found his true passion in life - now
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Jan 17, 2024, 12:57 PM
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he can make his momma proud with her raising him as "special" . . .
If we could all somehow just stop responding to the idjits, they would go away ?
Probably not.
And I just responded 5 minutes ago - STOP IT ROCKY ! ! ! !
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Historically
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Jan 17, 2024, 1:21 PM
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I enjoy your posts even though I get perturbed when you imply football is the reason basketball is less. It would be much less with out all DABO has accomplished at Clemson.
Due to the huge $$ football brings in as opposed to all other sports is why more emphasis is on it.
You know that.
We all wish things like Rowing (which I enjoy) could receive millions, but that aint realistic.
College sports started as fun intramural competition among students.
Due to $$ and also politicians getting involved, that is over -- too bad.
To be b utt hurt because Clemson does not poor many millions into Basketball, Rowing, Baseball, etc is not realistic. Killing the golden goose (football) is not an answer.
Judge, I agree we should be competitive in the ACC as to Basketball (and all sports).
We "are" unapologetic as a football school, I like that as it has made us #1.
All Clemson sports hope to land a DABO, but that is ~~~
The list of GREAT ACC basketball coaches is long. Those guys came in and made a difference like Dabo did with football at Clemson.
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which upgrade? which increase?
Jan 17, 2024, 1:39 PM
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i couldn't find any investment updates for Barnes and Ellis. They didn't have the internets back then.
Shyatt didn't do much with the $31 mil investment in Clemson basketball in 2003 but Parnell seems to have benefited from it.
nothing seemed to change with the $63.5 million investment in 2016
the newest $40 mil investment into Clemson basketball is still ongoing. Is this the one you are referring to?
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Re: Why do we settle for less in basketball compared to every other sport?
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Jan 17, 2024, 1:03 PM
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Admin doesn’t care that we suck in basketball. Never has. At some point we sold our soul to have great football teams and the price was crappy basketball. Here we are.
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Re: Why do we settle for less in basketball compared to every other sport?
Jan 17, 2024, 1:07 PM
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Yes, that's been JK's theme for a while now. Good points arguing against that gloomy belief.
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