Replies: 60
| visibility 1
|
Orange Blooded [3123]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 1313
Joined: 1/21/22
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1778]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2089
Joined: 12/28/15
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 5:38 PM
|
|
Not much other than a lame wrestling reference.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
110%er [7497]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 15420
Joined: 2/2/01
|
Sorry but if a coach takes a swing, he’s gone in my book
Feb 20, 2022, 5:40 PM
|
|
Ref: Woody Hayes
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Varsity [214]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 106
Joined: 1/21/12
|
Re: Sorry but if a coach takes a swing, he’s gone in my book
Feb 20, 2022, 8:22 PM
|
|
Seems to be a pattern with Howard. Glad he’s not our coach. Regarding punishment, Knight got away with his behavior for decades with little or no consequences. What an embarrassment for college athletics.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1778]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2089
Joined: 12/28/15
|
Re: Sorry but if a coach takes a swing, he’s gone in my book
Feb 20, 2022, 10:27 PM
|
|
Yeah, that's my take on it. This was a follow up about whether "suck it" is racist.
He acted like a child. He was pissed about Wisconsin calling a timeout late after he started pressing. He told the Wisconsin coach he would remember it. The coach challenged him and asked why he was pressing. He started pitching a fit. His player came in to calm everything down. He threw a punch at a random guy and ran away.
He obviously is getting fired.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Hall of Famer [22352]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 7147
Joined: 8/31/03
|
Re: Sorry but if a coach takes a swing, he’s gone in my book
Feb 20, 2022, 10:20 PM
[ in reply to Sorry but if a coach takes a swing, he’s gone in my book ] |
|
Just what I was thinking. Hayes was fired for doing something comparable.
But, this is 2022. We tolerate a lot more bad behavior than we did back then.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
All-TigerNet [10822]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9006
Joined: 12/8/02
|
Re: Sorry but if a coach takes a swing, he’s gone in my book
Feb 20, 2022, 11:32 PM
|
|
There’s a correlation with how much gets tolerated and your net worth
Poor people get tossed in prison. For profit prisons..
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [3639]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 5124
Joined: 4/23/19
|
Except what Woody Hayes did was NOT comparable...
Feb 22, 2022, 12:51 AM
[ in reply to Re: Sorry but if a coach takes a swing, he’s gone in my book ] |
|
it was completely on another level to what Juwan Howard did. Howard was physically grabbed by the Wisconsin head coach and touched by an assistant before losing his mind. What Woody Hayes did was on a completely different level. Give me a break!
Nice false-equivalency though.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Team Captain [484]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 139
Joined: 12/30/18
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 5:40 PM
|
|
You’re kidding right ……. The “suck it” jester is now somehow racist ????????? Must not have watched much WWE.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [3123]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 1313
Joined: 1/21/22
|
The gesture means “suck it”
Feb 20, 2022, 5:45 PM
|
|
Any time a white man makes that towards an African American it could be taken as racist.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1778]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2089
Joined: 12/28/15
|
Re: The gesture means “suck it”
Feb 20, 2022, 5:47 PM
|
|
Maybe on Mars but not here.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Starter [372]
TigerPulse: 73%
Posts: 406
Joined: 4/10/10
|
Re: The gesture means “suck it”
Feb 20, 2022, 6:24 PM
[ in reply to The gesture means “suck it” ] |
|
If the races of the coaches reversed the one throwing the punch would be fired tomorrow.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Legend [19610]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 16899
Joined: 9/5/02
|
You're kidding, right?
Feb 20, 2022, 8:47 PM
[ in reply to The gesture means “suck it” ] |
|
What isn't offensive and racist nowadays?
Get over it Jive Turkey!
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Legend [16027]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 7665
Joined: 12/4/06
|
Re: The gesture means “suck it”
Feb 20, 2022, 9:02 PM
[ in reply to The gesture means “suck it” ] |
|
It is getting to the point where people are going to have to carry a little book of do’s and dont’s. It seems like people are acting more and more like a bunch on bullies on the play ground.
Grow up people you are adults! Punishment must be just and fair and not based on race.
Did the world go crazy when we hit 2000! Since then it’s seems like people are looking for anything to start trouble , looking for ways use the race card for gain or find away to file suits so people can get some ????.
GREED has spread like a plague! $$$$$$$$$. Someone is always looking for freebies or they have a hand out ?? thinking somebody owes them something.
It’s seems like the whole #### world has gone nuts ??????????.
?????? Are we on the verge of self destruction !!! God have Mercy on what we have done to the World you created. ??????.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
All-TigerNet [10822]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9006
Joined: 12/8/02
|
Any gesture a white man makes towards an
Feb 20, 2022, 11:35 PM
[ in reply to The gesture means “suck it” ] |
|
African American could be taken as racist
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Freshman [-79]
TigerPulse: 66%
Posts: 4600
Joined: 12/21/21
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
110%er [6021]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 3316
Joined: 5/13/00
|
Well, probably bad for
Feb 20, 2022, 5:41 PM
|
|
Black coach to hit a White coach, for that matter.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [3123]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 1313
Joined: 1/21/22
|
Re: Well, probably bad for
Feb 20, 2022, 5:44 PM
|
|
I agree, both coaches need to apologize. No room for any of it. Just hoping their injuries aren’t too bad. That was total chaos. Out of control.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
110%er [7497]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 15420
Joined: 2/2/01
|
Apology LOL. Howard = fired AND assault and
Feb 20, 2022, 5:55 PM
|
|
battery charges filed
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
All-TigerNet [10932]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 7966
Joined: 10/18/16
|
Re: Well, probably bad for
Feb 21, 2022, 1:50 AM
[ in reply to Re: Well, probably bad for ] |
|
This is way beyond apologies from Howard and moving on. The real way to move on is to fire Howard, ban him from coaching in the NCAA for 5 years and then move on. That will stop crap like this.
In my career, something like that would have meant termination and could have resulted in a ban from the industry for life.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [3123]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 1313
Joined: 1/21/22
|
I guess it depends where you work
Feb 21, 2022, 2:03 AM
|
|
At most offices slapping a coworker will get you fired. Some offices would fire you for slapping an employee of a rival company.
But then some jobs it’d be fine. Many a restaurant employee has punched someone and not been fired.
I think he should face a punishment, and I’d be fine with termination, but would also be okay with a fine and suspension. It wasn’t a hard slap and he was called a jive turkey and told to suck it. Not excusing his behavior but that should factor in a little.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [4693]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2325
Joined: 1/9/07
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 5:45 PM
|
|
What in the world does White & Black have to do with it??
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Team Captain [484]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 139
Joined: 12/30/18
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 5:48 PM
|
|
Unfortunately to a lot of people these days race is the overriding factor in EVERYTHING.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [3123]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 1313
Joined: 1/21/22
|
Well when the “jive turkey” comment happened
Feb 20, 2022, 6:02 PM
|
|
It made me suspicious. But then the suck it gesture confirmed it. There’s just no room for that.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1778]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2089
Joined: 12/28/15
|
Re: Well when the “jive turkey” comment happened
Feb 20, 2022, 6:43 PM
|
|
Trying to take away the ridiculousness of 90's wrastlin is a bridge too far, sorry.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1778]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2089
Joined: 12/28/15
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Medallion [67853]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 115484
Joined: 11/30/98
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Rock Defender [54]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: Well when the “jive turkey” comment happened
Feb 20, 2022, 7:57 PM
|
|
I fully support the resurrection of the term “jive turkey”.
Gene wilder and Richard Pryor were fabulous.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Scout Team [152]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 155
Joined: 1/8/16
|
Re: Well when the “jive turkey” comment happened
Feb 21, 2022, 12:21 AM
[ in reply to Well when the “jive turkey” comment happened ] |
|
Can you please link where this term that no one has used since the 70's is attributed to the altercation. Because I haven't seen it anywhere except in your posts.
Go Tigers!
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
All-TigerNet [10932]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 7966
Joined: 10/18/16
|
Re: Well when the “jive turkey” comment happened
Feb 21, 2022, 1:37 AM
|
|
Show me too, where you got "jive turkey" associated with the Juan Howard and Wisconsin Coach incident! I searched the internet and looked again with no reference to jive turkey along with the Juan Howard and Wisconsin fight except from TNET (your post) Pork Chop?
Did you nod off during a Simpson marathon and thought you heard this along with Juan Howard?
https://youtu.be/LEISI06i84Y
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
All-TigerNet [10822]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9006
Joined: 12/8/02
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
All-In [38124]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9360
Joined: 6/13/19
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Legend [16027]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 7665
Joined: 12/4/06
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 9:58 PM
[ in reply to Re: New facts about Howard incident ] |
|
Exactly! All races want to be treat the same. Coach Howard has had two run in with coaches in the last year is uncalled for. So somebody touched Howard. It could have been a good luck in your next game coach.
We are going into events looking for a way to cry racism. It doesn’t matter your race this was embarrassing for college sports. Coaches act like men character if you want your players to became men of character. The kids in the stands we’re watching to. Fine example both schools displayed at end of game.
Sportsmanship - fair and generous behavior or treatment of others, especially in a sports contest. "he displayed great sportsmanship in defeat"
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
1st Rounder [612]
TigerPulse: 92%
Posts: 582
Joined: 6/17/21
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 6:07 PM
|
|
forfeit all remaining games- no conference play/ tournament and no post season play- NCCA or NIT. Nothing black or white about it.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
All-In [26024]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 20652
Joined: 7/31/07
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 6:57 PM
|
|
White coach hits Black coach, he is out of a job. Its the reverse racist thing which is so wrong.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [3123]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 1313
Joined: 1/21/22
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 7:18 PM
|
|
So we are just okay with a white coach calling a black coach a jive turkey?!?
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1778]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2089
Joined: 12/28/15
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 7:20 PM
|
|
I think we are done with trying to insert racism or the ghost of racism into every aspect of life.
Message was edited by: ClemCE09®
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Legend [19610]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 16899
Joined: 9/5/02
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [4976]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 5277
Joined: 6/2/03
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 9:42 PM
[ in reply to Re: New facts about Howard incident ] |
|
Yes. You don't think coaches call each other worse things than that from time to time? It still doesn't warrant battery against the one who committed verbal assault.
Message was edited by: orangecoloredglasses®
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [3600]
TigerPulse: 94%
Posts: 750
Joined: 9/18/20
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 21, 2022, 2:15 AM
|
|
"...the one who committed verbal assault."
lol verbal assault... no such thing exists
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
All-TigerNet [10822]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9006
Joined: 12/8/02
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 11:38 PM
[ in reply to Re: New facts about Howard incident ] |
|
Is that a racial slur I didn’t know about ?
I thought it was a goofy 60s thing
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
1st Rounder [612]
TigerPulse: 92%
Posts: 582
Joined: 6/17/21
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 8:47 PM
[ in reply to Re: New facts about Howard incident ] |
|
I was just referring to the punishment that should be handed out. If you ask me- both coaches acted like two year children, The only ones that suffered are the student athletes, the fans and the colleges.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
All-In [32656]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 14904
Joined: 6/29/11
|
WRONG BOARD, NINCOMPOOT ! !***
Feb 20, 2022, 8:05 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Legend [16027]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 7665
Joined: 12/4/06
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 8:19 PM
|
|
Race should not be an issue. Maybe both coaches should be fired. But you can’t give one coach a pass because he is not white. That is racism too as well as double standard's. If we are to have equality then the color of either coach should not matter.
It should never matter, unfortunately we will always have some people who are racists, but we must not let isolated issues or incidents divide our nation. Black, White, Native Americans, Chinese etc… must unite and work together in Sports and in Life. It’s like marriage it take’s a lot of hard work, love, understanding, patience and forgiveness.
If we can keep the politics out of sports it can be a great way to unite people.
Today’s incident shows our kids violence is a way to settle dispute’s unless their are consequences for our actions. I don’t know exactly what happened. After thoroughly investigating each the overall incident person’s actions there should be strong just fair punishment handed out to each person based on the severity of their actions.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1778]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2089
Joined: 12/28/15
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 20, 2022, 8:26 PM
|
|
Yeah...race isn't an issue. One coach lost his mind after getting whipped on the court and in the post game in the handshake line.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [3123]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 1313
Joined: 1/21/22
|
I totally agree with you
Feb 20, 2022, 8:35 PM
[ in reply to Re: New facts about Howard incident ] |
|
You can’t just walk around calling African Americans “jive turkeys”, but in turn Howard should have used more restraint. Glad he didn’t strike back again after being told to “suck it”. Both coaches need to apologize and face some discipline. Just shows us how blessed we are to have Dabo. He can go balls deep into the coots every year and he always wins with class and grace. Doubt Dabo would ever call Syracuse’s coach a jive turkey after a win.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1778]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2089
Joined: 12/28/15
|
Re: I totally agree with you
Feb 20, 2022, 8:44 PM
|
|
Really...
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Legend [19610]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 16899
Joined: 9/5/02
|
Again, why can't I call an African American
Feb 20, 2022, 9:21 PM
[ in reply to I totally agree with you ] |
|
Jive Turkey? I honestly don't get how that could be racist.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
1st Rounder [612]
TigerPulse: 92%
Posts: 582
Joined: 6/17/21
|
Re: Again, why can't I call an African American
Feb 21, 2022, 2:07 AM
|
|
jive turkey meaning 1. Someone who's full of shyt, an idiot, or likes to run Linux even though they can't make the sound work. 2. Turkey slow roasted in artificial jive flavoring.
jive turkey meaning Slang term for an individual who is prone to exaggerating the truth greatly or an outright liar. Used predominately in 1970's
jive turkey meaning unreliable, show boat, or makes empty promises
I can't see it!
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
110%er [5011]
TigerPulse: 84%
Posts: 3841
Joined: 12/29/16
|
Re: I totally agree with you
Feb 20, 2022, 9:37 PM
[ in reply to I totally agree with you ] |
|
If Howard would have pulled out a gun and shot the guy, you’d find a way to blame it on the gun. There isn’t much good about being a liberal socialist, other than you can always shove the blame on someone else and say your the victim. Also , he isn’t African-American. Doubt the moron could find Africa on a map. He’s a black American.
Howard will proceed to make up some story about being called a jive turkey as a kid and link that to his actions and somehow become the victim. Bottom line, Michigan sold out and hired a street thug who could “connect” with recruits.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [3123]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 1313
Joined: 1/21/22
|
I’m actually very pro-2a and love guns
Feb 20, 2022, 10:15 PM
|
|
A gun has never once killed a person. I’m all for personal responsibility. Howard was wrong and should apologize and face discipline. I do also think coach stone cold or whatever his name is should also apologize for calling him a jive turkey and doing the suck it motion, though.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1778]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2089
Joined: 12/28/15
|
Re: I’m actually very pro-2a and love guns
Feb 20, 2022, 10:44 PM
|
|
Another suck it with a mic drop from Triple H would probably be more appropriate.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1778]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2089
Joined: 12/28/15
|
Re: I’m actually very pro-2a and love guns
Feb 20, 2022, 11:05 PM
|
|
It almost writes itself.
"Coach, would you like to apologize for provoking Juwan Howard into slapping your assistant?"
Coach, "Juwan Howard, I've got two words for ya"
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Orange Blooded [3123]
TigerPulse: 95%
Posts: 1313
Joined: 1/21/22
|
I’m rolling
Feb 20, 2022, 11:22 PM
|
|
That would be awesome. He’d be my favorite new coach and my leading candidate to replace Brownlee.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
All-TigerNet [10822]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 9006
Joined: 12/8/02
|
Sounds exactly like a
Feb 20, 2022, 11:39 PM
[ in reply to I totally agree with you ] |
|
Hokey dabo insult to me.
Are you trollin’? I think you’re trolling.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Freshman [-79]
TigerPulse: 66%
Posts: 4600
Joined: 12/21/21
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Rock Defender [54]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
There’s no gray area here
Feb 20, 2022, 9:10 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
All-American [550]
TigerPulse: 99%
Posts: 426
Joined: 7/15/17
|
Re: There’s no gray area here
Feb 21, 2022, 8:46 AM
|
|
Unfortunately there is a certain part of the population that is genetically predisposed to violence.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1938]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2280
Joined: 1/13/18
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 21, 2022, 8:47 AM
|
|
The worst thing about is how weak his so-called punch was. I was embarrassed for him. If you are going to throw some dukes, throw some #### dukes the right way.
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
Legend [17614]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 14160
Joined: 10/24/10
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 23, 2022, 12:21 AM
|
|
Howard was a soft player in the Fab Five days. Can he find someone else to brawl with a foot shorter than him?
|
|
|
|
![](https://2cic.b-cdn.net/t/forum/b.gif) |
CU Guru [1778]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2089
Joined: 12/28/15
|
Re: New facts about Howard incident
Feb 23, 2022, 1:54 AM
|
|
Sure, but this thread is dead.
|
|
|
|
Replies: 60
| visibility 1
|
|
|