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Here's the glaring problem ...
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Clemson has the #1 rated, 5-star QB from his recruiting class in his first year as a starter as a soph. He has 4 and 5-star RBs and WRs. We have the #8 defense in the nation.
Wake has the #19 rated, 3-star QB from the same recruiting class, in his first year as a starter. He has 2 and 3-star RBs and WRs. Wake has the #47 defense in the nation.
The problem is with such a superior talent, we had zero downfield passing game against Wake, and our QB and theirs had almost identical games despite that talent advantage.
I'll tell you right now, I'm not smarter than our coaches, and I'm not calling for anybody to be fired, but something is wrong with our offense, and it's not a lack of experience on Cade's part.
I thought we looked really good against a pretty good FSU team, and then again last week. Thought maybe we had the bugs worked out. Then today, that team that got drubbed by Duke showed up again. To me, it looked like we had a terrible gameplan, and just weren't motivated or prepared to play at all. I'll take this win, and won't keep beotching, but wanted to get this off of my chest.
Talent-wise, we aren't quite at playoff level; we are missing a few key pieces in that regard. But we still aren't playing nearly up to our talent level, and that concerns me.
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Sounds like a coaching issue, then.***
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I don't see any way around it.***
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Re: Sounds like a coaching issue, then.***
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If the same song is sang enough people will start remembering it, and the song is saying that it's mainly a coaching problem, and that is exactly what our problems are. All of what we're seeing started showing up with the new coaching hires all over the field!!!!!!!!
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Re: Sounds like a coaching issue, then.***
Oct 8, 2023, 9:43 PM
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When our worst two coaches by far are coaching WRs & RBs it's not much of a surprise our offense has lost some luster. Riley will be fine but Grisham & Spiller have to go asap. Love C.J to death as a player/ambassador but he's not the coach we need. We need a proven receiver coach or Jeff Scott back at the very least for starters. Go Tigers!!!
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Re: Sounds like a coaching issue, then.***
Oct 8, 2023, 2:33 PM
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Possibly-we simply need more talent
Recruiting has been sub par for quite awhile
Jeff Scott needs to be more involved in the recruiting side/effort
Things will come to light (hopefully, not painfully) when we have played ND,Miami,UNC and SC
For now ,I am not feeling very comfortable!
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Today reminded me a lot of the way we called
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early to mid season games when we were making the playoffs regularly. Very bland, minimal adjustments, and win on talent, in an attempt to peak at the right time, later in the season. Hits different when we are 3-2 though.
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Re: Today reminded me a lot of the way we called
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Yeah, we could afford to play vanilla and still blow teams out. True, we'd have an off game that'd be close. Now we have close games and on occasion a double digits win. We were far from blowing cuse out. Everyone else was ready to crown Clemson back after last week but the fact is, last week, cuse gave us short fields... but we still had to punt against cuse 6 times. During our run, rarely did we have to punt so much.
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Its easy to forget
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Oct 7, 2023, 8:06 PM
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We had a lot of close games back then too. Frustratingly close. We even lost a few. But it’s the way Dabo did it, Every. Single. Year.
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Re: Its easy to forget
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Another thing thats different from earlier teams; with thise esrlier teams, we KNEW we were going to win. If there was a close game, it was an off game, they werent as motivated because it was clear we were destined for the playoffs. Now, at least for me, that look of swagger/ dominance just isnt there. I look at this years schedule and I'm hoping we win another 4-5 games.
About yesterday, as a team, the run game didnt get going and it was abandoned early. Wake went to 3-3-5 by the second qtr. This gave CK a fit. He was not seeing wide open receivers. When the 3rd qtr rolled around, we got back to running and Shipley/Mafah started to get big gains. This could mean any number of things. Im wondering if the coaching staff figured on an easy win and went plain Jane on offense so as not to let ND or UNC gain any game footage.
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We won a lot of them
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Oct 8, 2023, 9:35 AM
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That’s for sure.
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Re: We won a lot of them
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yeah.we're all kinda spoiled.not realizing that not every kid is going to be deshaun or trevor instantly,if at all.
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Thats not correct.
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Oct 7, 2023, 8:07 PM
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We had many close games back then.
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Re: Thats not correct.
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Scores from the 2018 schedule. We barely beat Texas A&M on the road to start the season and had a scare against Syracuse but not another game was even close.
49-21
63-3
41-7
59-10
77-16
35-6
56-35
42-10
30-3
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Re: Thats not correct.
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So we were 10-0?
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Re: Thats not correct.
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Those were the more lopsided scores. Just showing most of our wins were blowouts.
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Re: Thats not correct.
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Oct 7, 2023, 8:28 PM
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Nice singling out 2018 when we had the best team ever. But the Syrexcuse game is exactly what he means. Pitt. NC State inexplicably missing a chip shot FG. Stuff like that.
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We lost Trevor early in that game and were down to a 3rd
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stringer at QB in that game, like we lost Wayne early in the NCSU game and couldn't effectively run it any longer...We didn't lose anyone today
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Re: Thats not correct.
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Yep one or two games like that over a 2-3 year span.
Now it's every week.
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yes, there were always trap games, and a lot of blowouts
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I'd love to see another blowout...against a P5 opponent
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Every season we had games like that
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against teams we shouldn’t have. Even the example you provided shows that, had you not omitted the scores…
27-23 vs Syracuse
28-26 vs Texas A&M
Both in the first half of the season, which was exactly my point.
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Re: Every season we had games like that
Oct 8, 2023, 6:05 PM
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Exactly. Three of our first six games have either been close, down to the wire wins or losses. With one loss not being close Before 2021 we only had about 2 games per year like that.
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Re: Thats not correct.
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Did you even watch our wins against Charleston Southern and Florida Atlantic? We blew them out.
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Re: Thats not correct.
Oct 8, 2023, 5:51 PM
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We used to blow out middling and lower tier power five conference teams and ACC teams. Now win we win we struggle and sometimes don't win.
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Lets look at this
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Oct 8, 2023, 7:25 AM
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Here are the single score regular season wins. These don’t count games where we pulled away late, just looking at final scores.
2015:
20-17: Louisville
24-22: ND
2016:
19-13 Auburn
30-24: Troy
24-17: NC State
42-36: Louisville
37-34: FSU
42-43: Pitt (loss)
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14-6: Auburn
24-27: Syracuse (loss)
38-31: NC State
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28-26: TAM
27-23: Syracuse
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21-20: UNC
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34-28: BC
47-40: ND (loss)
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Re: Lets look at this
Oct 8, 2023, 8:03 AM
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Now let’s remove the games where either:
A. Our starting QB did not play.
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B. Our starting QB started but did not finish the game.
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Go ahead
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Oct 8, 2023, 8:20 AM
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Be sure to read my original comment above so you understand what you are arguing about, but once you e done that, I’m all ears.
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Re: Go ahead
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SHUT UP PUMPER 
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So it seems like 2016 was more of an outlier
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Than it being a regular thing during our playoff era
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I guess
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Not relevant to the point though. The point the poster made was the difference between now and then is we always blew the other teams out (he said 52-7) when we relied on superior talent/not making adjustments/etc. His statement is not correct, but to your point, it is even more incorrect for 2016 than the other years. Also note, I only listed games that ended with the teams being separated by one score or less. Go back and look at all the games that were just two scores or less.
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Re: Today reminded me a lot of the way we called
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But the difference is I actually had faith in our offense to make a comeback, make key plays and score in the red zone during those years…I have zero faith in this group even at first and goal from the 1
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Yes, I always expected a switch to be flipped during our
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playoff run...that is no longer the case
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Re: Today reminded me a lot of the way we called
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Bingo, we are overconfident and not ready to play.
Whether it is game plan or physically / mentally be unprepared to play, I don’t know
That game stunk. Happy for the win
Will not keep giving $ for this puu
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Reminds me of the Mark Richt UGay
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Teams. Loads of talent, poorly coached and soft.
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Re: Reminds me of the Mark Richt UGay
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With a lot less arrests and player issues.
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If the WR's we have are 4 and 5 stars, then
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the recruiting rankings people were all smoking something when they ranked them. Either that, or the players developed amnesia when they got to Clemson and forgot how to play. Or, we have a position coach that can't develop them.
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Re: If the WR's we have are 4 and 5 stars, then
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We don’t have any five star receivers
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Poor motivation = poor execution. Thats coaching.***
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Re: Poor motivation = poor execution. Thats coaching.***
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It’s all love, hugs and Jesus. That’s our culture. I like hugs, I love Jesus but what does that have to do with football. Tell these Defensive tackles to hug their opponent like Jesus and don’t let go or something, it’s not focused on football or it’s fundamentals and that is starting to upset me
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I agree. Im not a coach, never have been , but I feel
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it’s obvious to most football fans. We have 3 former players as position coaches on offense. I think that’s great if they are up to the level of coaching and game planning we had become accustomed to over the CFP run. I’m not sure they are at this point in their coaching careers. Their on the job training at the power 5 level doesn’t appear to be up to CFP level.
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Agree, 100%***
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Re: I agree. Im not a coach, never have been , but I feel
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Well we fired to guy that had 20+ years of experience, more OC experience than any OC Dabo has ever hired, had won 2 nattys, and signed/coached Clemson’s only #1 draft pick. Oh and let’s not forget improved the offense by 50 percent in 1 year. Glad he was the one we got rid of.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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We have a borderline 5 star RB in Shipley and that's it. He wasn't a unanimous 5 star.
No other 5 stars that I know of on offense.
Talent has fallen off a cliff in a few short years.
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Shipley was #1 RB @ Rivals, #2 @ ESPN, and #4 @247.
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Collins, Stellato, and Randall were all 4-star WRs. The point is, our talent level is much greater than Wake's and we aren't playing anyhwhere close to it.
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Re: Shipley was #1 RB @ Rivals, #2 @ ESPN, and #4 @247.
Oct 7, 2023, 8:35 PM
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We're back to the recruiting days pre 2014ish when we had a five star or two and a bunch of high rated four stars.
You need five stars all over the field to compete for natties. We had a handful on both sides of the ball 2016-2018.
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Maybe so, but we're unquestionably significantly more
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talented than Wake, and it's not that close, but you'd never know it by today's performance. That's my point, and that's our problem, IMHO. We aren't playoff level, for sure, but we are underperforming badly.
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Re: Maybe so, but we're unquestionably significantly more
Oct 8, 2023, 7:47 PM
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Under developed!!!
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Re: Shipley was #1 RB @ Rivals, #2 @ ESPN, and #4 @247.
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Again, you can't just go by the rating. You have to go by the specific skill set each player has. If we still had guys like Tee Higgins and Justyn Ross to occupy the defense, then the guys we have now would look awesome. They just are good enough to be "the guy."
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ... Turnovers***
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That is a problem, but if we think that's all it is, and
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ignore the general ineptness and impotence of our offense, then we are in big trouble.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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I agree with you but you say “we aren’t quite at playoff level.”
The reality is, we aren’t close to playoff level…
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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not even close, but only need 2-3 players (mainly WRs) to turn that quickly, but...........Dabo doesn't portal.......so.....
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I agree with your last sentence......
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we're NOT close to ELITE.......because our talent isn't "elite".....we don't have "elite" RBs, they're solid/good, not elite. We don't have "elite" WRs, they're "meh" sans Brown. When you have Hamp Greene playing WR in "meaningful" snaps when the game is still in flux, that's a problem.....................all that to say, you're right we're not even playing up to our "so-so" talent level, let alone Elite.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Our defense looked better than the #8 defense and after only giving up an amazing 239 yards, we will move up. As far as the offense goes, we cannot go deep because defenses play deep and trust that our receivers cannot run by them. Until we show we have speed, we will not throw deep but if we have it, we have not seen it.
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Mascot [19]
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Mybe the rating system is broken
Oct 7, 2023, 8:16 PM
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Or there's that coaching thing ya know...
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Diminished talent & speed are factors
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Oct 7, 2023, 8:24 PM
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A lack of player and coaching intensity are bigger factors. Unconfident players and inexperienced coaches are everywhere. The perks and salaries enjoyed by these 2023 players & coaches were earned on the backs of the 2016 & 2018 championship teams. And the 2023 players dance like they earned them.
The intensity of the Oklahoma team today against a very talented Texas team brought back a lot of great memories of when Clemson had that heart and talent. Not that long ago.
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Re: Diminished talent & speed are factors
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Oct 7, 2023, 8:40 PM
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Well said
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 7, 2023, 8:37 PM
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This team is coached by a bunch of softee coaches that think if they just show up they are entitled to win. Dabo has turned the program into a Fun Zone. Let's go to the lake! Let's have a party at my house! Let's ride jet skis! Let's see how many of my sons friends I can put on the team! If we win 10 again, all is good! The fact that Hamp Greene was in the game is exactly my point
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 7, 2023, 8:40 PM
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Bingo!
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
Oct 7, 2023, 8:43 PM
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You can't just go by the talent rating. You have to go by the specific skill set if each player. Yeah overall we have more talent, but we don’t have, for example, a deep threat at receiver. We are missing some specific skill sets.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 7, 2023, 8:57 PM
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I agree, coaching is absolutely an issue. But we have to stop cushioning Cade’s lackluster performance.
He made 100 passing attempts in 2022. He finished 61% and averaged 7.0 yards per attempt.
Here we are in 2023, through 182 attempts… surprise, surprise, he’s right at 65.4%, averaging 6.8 yards per attempt. I’m starting to think he just isn’t a great passer. He’s consistently off-target, stares down his read, or gets sacked (he’s already been sacked 9 times this year for nearly 70 yards in reverse).
I’m not impressed with anything Riley has brought to the table. But none of us have watched any of this season and said, “wow, Cade is crushing it”. If you have, maybe I’m missing… a lot.
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I agree. I find the softness on Cade to be a bit odd
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:17 PM
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Especially considering what people said about DJ
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 8, 2023, 2:59 AM
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I'm hoping it's just an experience problem.
Slated Starters:
Wake O: 3So/8Jr+
Clem O: 5So/6Jr+
Wake D: 2So/9Jr+
Clem D: 1So/11Jr+ (and 6 of those are GR, yikes)
Wake's D was good, and I think that's why. Our D was better, same reason. So we're young on O and it shows. We've got the talent to be elite, it just needs more time/development. Duke's D also has 1 true So, and everyone else is Jr+ - so also a good, experienced, D.
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We played a lot of close games with two future NFL QBs...
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Oct 8, 2023, 6:05 AM
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behind center on our teams. Both DW and TL were challenged all year. They were challenged along with the rest of the offense to master plays rather than simply running them. It's just part of the process which we all hate but which results in a super good post season showing.
I'm not saying I'm delighted in how we played so far this season but we've played well enough to be undefeated except for a handful of masterful screwups.
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Re: We played a lot of close games with two future NFL QBs...
Oct 8, 2023, 8:03 AM
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Star-ratings are very overrated..........just like hype we hear each and every season.
We won a ton of games by the skin of our teeth over the last decade.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 8, 2023, 7:54 AM
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Our play calling wouldn’t fool a blind person. If I’m a DC facing Clemson, here is what I expect.
1st down- Run inside the tackles
2nd down- Screen pass
3rd down and 5+ to go- Short pass or run which can be defended by the same formation.
Punt
Zero creativity or element of surprise.
The job of OC is to out think the DC.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 8, 2023, 8:51 AM
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There are going to be times that try men's souls...Jefferson or Shakespear or somebody...all is not perfect but all is not...you may play great against a great and struggle against a mediocre one...fixing that does fall to Dabo...we are a very young team with new very offensive coordinator and everyone is having growing pains...we still have Dabo and I truly want to trust that he can pull us out of this malaise! GO Tigers.after all we could be stuck with Bimbo Fishnet or some other dud!
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 8, 2023, 10:13 AM
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I guess my hope in this early stage of Klubnik/Riley and all that goes on when you're learning about who and what you are as an offense is that we (As you mentioned) are a superior talent against most foes , and I think about what Riley did for TCU in 2 years and they are certainly not a Clemson kind of roster.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 8, 2023, 11:40 AM
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3rd straight emotional, physical game. We were flat. We won't be against Miami. Problem is-neither will Miami(after blowing game vs GT). Cade was off-HAS to get better. Believe he will. Hang on, it's going to be a rough ride to the finish line. We will need a little luck but it can be done.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
Oct 8, 2023, 11:44 AM
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Wah, whah, wimper....
I saw uninspired effort, receivers not getting separation, receivers dropping passes, bad roughing calls, exaggeration of numbers of 5 star receivers at Clemson, missing starting receivers, etc. But you want want to blame coaches.
The other team can't play inspired, but you can try and justify your feelings....
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:23 PM
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Once again, almost every year, someone else can tally it up, but over 50% of the time we have a down game the one before the bye week. Lack of focus, attention to other, albeit great, important, things, looking ahead, not wanting to show too much to future opponents. Seems to happen more often than not. By now I would think Dabo should have figured this out. But very likely next year the same thing happens. Next year likely it will be a road game on a Friday night in Stanford!! Beware the trees.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:54 PM
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Since 2009, Dabo's first full year he is 11-4 for 73%, well below his career %. He lost the first 3 from 2009-2011 to Md.(close), Auburn (yuck) and GT (ug). He beat GT by 16 in 2012. Years 2013 and 2014 were blowouts over SC State. From 2015 to today he is 8-1 before a bye but, has only a blowout over the Citadel one over Wake and ALL others are by 7 points or less.
2016 OT vs NCSU (won by 7, NCSU miss gw fg at end of reg)(yikes)
2017 Loss by 3 at Syracuse (Yes, KB injury, poor decision to fake punt)
2018 Blowout vs Wake (Trevor)
2019 Won by 1 at UNC (yikes)
2020 Citadel blowout
2021 W by 6 at BC (scary)
2022 W by 6 over Syracuse (scary)
2023 W by 5 over Wake (meh?)
Out of the last 8, we have lost or barely won 6 of the 8.
Just seems to me that something must be wrong with the game prep and player prep leading up to the bye week. Just looks like time to try to find something else.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:26 PM
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We have played horrible the week prior to our off week the last 10 years. Go back and look at those games and scores.
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Hard to argue your points
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:31 PM
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I would love to see Dabo bring Jeff Scott back as recruiting coordinator and WR coach. I always thought the offense was better and way more dynamic when he was Co-OC. Our offense slipped when he left. I don’t see Riley being at Clemson long term. Then Scott could slide back in to the OC slot when Riley departs.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
Oct 8, 2023, 2:39 PM
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In what way are we the number 8 defense 😂😂😂
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
Oct 9, 2023, 12:12 PM
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casually ignoring the 14 TD's allowed.
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It's a lack of leadership. We don't have enough seasoned
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Oct 8, 2023, 3:02 PM
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coaches. We don't have anyone like Venables or Dan Brooks or Robbie Caldwell or general Patton-type in your face leaders.
We have too high of a ratio of young or inexperienced coaches.
And we don't have anyone on the roster that can compensate for this.
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Re: Here's the glaring problem ...
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Oct 8, 2023, 9:34 PM
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Underperforming offensive talent has been our problem for at least 5 years.
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Orange Blooded [2519]
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Look at our history under Dabo, we typically play poorly
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Oct 8, 2023, 10:32 PM
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heading into a bye week.
Let's see how we do against Miami.
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