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Thoughts from the game...
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1. I have been more positive than the average T-Net poster for the previous 2 seasons. I am more negative about this year's team than the average T-Net poster.
2. I am not going to give the same tired line about lack of talent because of the portal. Obviously our talent was vastly superior to CSU. If we are slow, they are extremely slow. Our talent was so superior when THEY had the ball that I think it overcame some coaching failures on a few occasions. We looked lost against the option pitch until the backups came in. Obviously our recruiting on defense is working. We have great talent. The two freshman on the DL look like the best two players. (Which is odd because it actually seems like the older players have regressed a bit)
3. The Backup QB's both looked good, though it was against CSU.
4. Go ahead and be angry with me, but Cade is going to get us killed in some games this year. Those mistakes were worse than Kyle Parker's worst plays when his back was broken. He had guys WIDE open and he was locked in to one guy. I noticed this several times. I felt WAY better about DJ after two games last year than I do about Cade this year. I am not blaming any player for our offensive issues. I'm convinced this is coaching somehow. When Cade made that horrible decision to loft he ball up close to our own endzone and it thankfully fell harmlessly to the ground, I was expecting someone from the coaching staff to get in Cade's ear. Afterall, this was his third ridiculous decision of the game at that point. None of the coaches made a big deal of it until Cade walked around and talked to Dabo. Like he went and found Dabo instead of anyone coming up to Cade. That rubbed me the wrong way. It felt like the coaching staff wasn't shocked by it. Like they thought it wasn't a huge problem. Contrast that with when Collins almost ruined his long TD and it was addressed immediately.
5. Looking at the sidelines you could easily notice that we had more coaches and trainers than CSU had players. They were so fatigued.
6. You can lump me in with the perma-negative nancies if you want, but I have been positive and optimistic. My post history proves it. And this particular season looks like it's setting up to be BAD. Obviously I hope I am wrong, but the defense looks fundamentally incapable of dominating good teams. (Yes I am aware of the stats and the fact that nearly every CSU point was because of our offense) And I'm not negative because of talent. We have not needed the portal at all on defense imo. I'm pessimistic this year cause of coaching. Obviously I will happily renounce this post if we look good against FSU, but I would be very surprised if a LOT more people don't agree with me about the deep-seated issues we have with defense after that game. I'm looking at scheme, tackling, leverage, players following their lanes/assignments... everything. DB's actually have good fundamentals for the most part but they seem to be coached to give LOTS of space and separation. LB's seem thoroughly lost. DL is ultra-talented and if our LB's were playing with a clue I think the DL is doing enough to create more TFL's. But everything is disjointed. Fundamentals are suffering BADLY. The massive talent-gap covered this up today but I'm NOT convinced at all by the stats of this game.
7. Oddly almost none of this criticism applies to the 2nd half. But I think the 1st half is far more useful for our analysis than the 2nd due to the massive difference in talented players we played.
8. I'm still hopeful. I love what Dabo has done. I know Clemson is lucky to have him. I'm not saying anything about him being spoiled or lazy or stubborn. I don't hold those views and I have no creepy personal narrative about him that I'm grinding on. None of the personal stuff is on my radar. I like Dabo and I am thrilled by his personality. I just see things on the field that seem far more fundamentally broken than what I have seen in several years.
9. All of these observations are different than my opinion coming into this season. I thought this year would demonstrate that we were still elite. I thought we would handle FSU. I thought we would beat Duke by 25+. I thought Cade would look improved. I thought our defense would be improved. So me saying all these negative things are me admitting I was VERY wrong just 10 days ago.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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2 questions.
1. Do you feel better now?
2. Did you actually think anybody was going to read all of that?
Well let’s make it 3
3. Do you ever just enjoy watching a game instead of thinking you know everything and you are entitled to perfect games so you can win?
Yeah yeah I know.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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Sep 9, 2023, 9:47 PM
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That was 3 questions..
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
Sep 10, 2023, 10:02 AM
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Yes that’s why I said after the first 2 questions “ well let’s make it 3”
Reading Comprehension!!
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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Wow that’s harsh dude. He obviously area deeply and put a lot of thought into that post why would be such an A$..?
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Re: I read it
Sep 10, 2023, 10:04 AM
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I don’t know because I stopped after the first chapter.
I have grown weary of all the tnet coaches who think they know more than the actual coaches for Clemson!
People who feel entitled to a win because they’re a fan or because they contribute money.
It’s a Game ! Enjoy it!
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Has it not occurred to you that if you don't read something
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Sep 10, 2023, 11:18 AM
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you can't possibly know how to intelligently respond to it?
I don't feel entitled to see Clemson win at all.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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Sep 9, 2023, 9:48 PM
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You are being a bigger baby than I am. 
I did enjoy the game. I go to them and cheer no matter what our record is.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
Sep 9, 2023, 10:23 PM
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Unfortunately I agree with everything you said. Somehow a 66-17 win does not feel as great as it should.
1. I don’t see the oline getting push against solid defenses.
2. 2 games in and Riley is more screen happy than Rob Spence.
3. Tyler and Ruke do not seem very disruptive. Woods needs to be getting more and more snaps.
4. Linebackers need to step up and I am concerned that Wade added too much weight and it slowed him down.
It does appear that there is some opportunity for some other receivers to play. Receives that seem to be able to get more separation. Coaches may need to try some of these guys at the field or the boundry. The slot seems pretty deep at this point.
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Re: I read all of it***
Sep 9, 2023, 10:06 PM
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Tldr
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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Every point made was spot on. My Dad joined IPTAY in 1980 and we’ve had 6 tickets every season since then. I love my Tigers. I bleed Orange. But loyalty, or love doesn’t change the facts about these first two games. We have 4 and 5 stars up and down the roster and Duke has very few and they embarrassed us on National tv. I love Dabo and all his staff but something is broken. Hope it gets fixed, and soon. Go Tigers..!!
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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Sep 10, 2023, 10:06 AM
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This is the type person I am referring to.
Why were you embarrassed?
Did you play in the game?
Did you brag to all of your friends of how great your team was and then when they lost it made you look bad?
It’s a game
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I read it and he is spot on...
Sep 9, 2023, 11:01 PM
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I see flashes of great, but in the most inopportune times... a lack of focus, or laziness, or something.
It's going to be a long season.
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Its all coaching
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“The two freshman on the DL look like the best two players. (Which is odd because it actually seems like the older players have regressed a bit)”
*this has been the case since TL came to town. The freshmen are better because their high school coaching was better than our 100 person staff. We need REAL proven coaches for the salaries they are making…
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100% inarguably correct***
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Re: Its all coaching
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this is so true. many many players come to mind in recent years that had me very hyped after their freshman season, then just regressed year by year… we have a coaching/development problem, no doubt about it.
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Re: Its all coaching
Sep 10, 2023, 10:08 AM
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Who have you been pulling for the last 10 years?
List the teams who have a better record during in that time frame.
If you are not satisfied with that then you never will be!
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U R RIGHT
Sep 10, 2023, 11:19 AM
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GO TIGERS
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Re: Its all coaching
Sep 9, 2023, 10:45 PM
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So are you saying TL was fist pick of the NFL draft good, his senior year of higher school?
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Yes***
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Re: Its all coaching
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“The two freshman on the DL look like the best two players. (Which is odd because it actually seems like the older players have regressed a bit)”
*this has been the case since TL came to town. The freshmen are better because their high school coaching was better than our 100 person staff. We need REAL proven coaches for the salaries they are making…
Your realistic assessments hurt my orange-colored feelings. For this, I will now label you a "coot" and tell you you are not a "real fan". LOL
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I was very pleased with Cade vs UNC. I was not impressed
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With him at all vs Tennessee. I know there are a lot of other factors but several times he ran backwards for huge losses. I only saw him run like that once Vs Duke but it was Duke. I thought he was better 2nd half than first last week. I wasn’t able to watch todays. I’m hoping Riley can develop him.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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Sep 9, 2023, 9:52 PM
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Unfortunately I have to agree. Scoring a lot of 2nd half points against a team with no depth does not impress me. What matters is the 1 st qtr where everyone was fresh. The offense looked like garbage when it counted against a 3rd rate D.
The defense looked good this week against a clearly weaker opponent. Duke players made our guys look silly with missed tackles.
No one will be happier than me to eat these words if we beat FSU, but right now we are looking at a butt whooping from FSU.
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I find no fault in any of these points
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This team needs coaching, period.
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Man talk about tired lines!
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Sep 9, 2023, 9:56 PM
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“I hope I’m wrong…”
LOL no you do not!
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I'm wrong either way at this point. I made a big deal about
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how our program was in great shape recently. Us being bad now doesn't make me smart. I'm already admitting I think I was clueless before.
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coaching
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Sep 9, 2023, 9:57 PM
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and porkchop is not cutting the fat.
literally and figuratively.
defense wins championships.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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Sep 9, 2023, 9:59 PM
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Agree. Cade playing well In the second half when things settle down against a very thin CSU team doesn’t make me any more confident in him/the offense. At all.
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Life will be OK, dont worry!***
Sep 9, 2023, 10:00 PM
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Not worried. I like going to games either way.
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I'm proud of my school either way. I'm just sharing my perspective.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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Sep 9, 2023, 10:17 PM
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I do agree with all your points. Cade looked OK in the 2nd half but only because of yac. CS obviously gassed and out of position to contain. Everything was horizontal in our pass game.
We don't have a TE like I thought we did. Good post.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
Sep 10, 2023, 10:35 AM
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Let me guess you were one of the people complaining over the lack of YAC. Now you had some YAC and the QB only looked good because of YAC…
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Nice post completely solid orange
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….. You’re a good long time poster. Ignore the people that act like a second half against a high school team cures all ills. But even more, ignore the people that have snarky replies who are just being ##### when you are trying to be evenhanded and fair minded
I would argue that we could’ve used a high end corner and an elite backer from the portal. Along with an alpha wide receiver like Keon Coleman. But not using the portal hardly at all is only one of the several problems we have.
Personally, and I said this last year, that we should’ve played Cade much more during the season to get him experience. Cade made some really really really poor decisions and I’m shocked at how he does not progress through his read(There is some blame on the OL as well….but #### he should’ve played much more last year
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CSO, Good post I thought. I read it all.
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I can’t say I disagree and feel the same as you in many respects.
If folks can’t see the current difference from our past championship teams then what can you say? We may have fine talent, but we don’t have a fine football team.
I’ve seen Clemson climb the mountain three times in my life. I saw it slip away in the 80s. It was hard to watch. Not quite the same this time around, but we can’t deny the overall quality of play is decreasing.
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Its like Billy Napier and Kevin Steele are OC and DC again.***
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I thought Cade settled down from late 2nd qtr on....
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Excited for his continued progression....
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I should have stopped reading when
Sep 9, 2023, 10:41 PM
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You said they struggled with the option until the backups came in. 12 rushing yards on 30 attempts for a .4 avr. ypr. At what point was there a struggle??
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Obviously the stats were great. I'm talking about things I
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saw in the first half. They barely had any plays on offense early on. We gave up 6.6 YPC to Duke btw.
Use the link not the video for timestamp to hear Dabo address it. The easy TD they scored with the option and then they had two larger gains in two other drives. We had NOBODY on the pitch man. Have not seen that since Pitt ran that #### inside shuffle pass a million times. Venables made that an emphasis and the next 20 times another team tried it we blew it to pieces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMTOkOfVf9s&t=432s
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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Nah dude youve been a DJ lover for awhile. Not surprised you want to bash Cade. He had 4 bad plays, coachable plays. DJ would have entire bad games(over the course of 2 YEARS) of not throwing to guys before they made their breaks and holding the ball for forever and yall would blame the OL.
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You are talking about childish personal crap.
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I'm not in that world. That's too silly.
I'm not trying to bash anyone or favor anyone. Anyone who sees things that way is being childish.
I said that DJ had good games when he had good games and that he had bad games when he had bad games. When they pulled DJ in the ACC championship game I was on board with making Cade the new starter. When DJ was talking crap about us I said screw him. I prefer any Tiger over anyone who transfers out.
Some of ya'll can't think about football without making it into a soap opera.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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Thanks for an Honest, Non Sunshine Pumping post.
I do think we’re a top 20 team and will finish top 15 with 9 or 10 wins and if we do any better it will be solely because of our Defense.
You are Spot On about Cade in this respect:
He needs more tough love. Problem is, he appears sensitive to me. Smiles Way too much for for a guy with a .500 record
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and and our 2 best players on defense are True Freshman
Sep 9, 2023, 10:58 PM
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How’d that happen
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Some combination of good recruiting and lackluster coaching?
Sep 9, 2023, 11:01 PM
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I don't know. It's odd to me.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
Sep 9, 2023, 11:04 PM
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I think you are wrong about Cade. Not once have I longed for DJU at the helm. He is clearly talented and will settle down on the decision making. Also you can’t expect tough love to be applied to million dollar QBs in this environment. They can just give you the finger and transfer.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
Sep 9, 2023, 11:16 PM
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I fear you maybe right.
Dabo does have a way of talking to his players however, the Youth Pastor that he is.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
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Good post CSO. Appreciate the honesty, candor and valid observations. Hopefully they pull it together and improve significantly over the next 2 weeks. Go Tigers!
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
Sep 10, 2023, 10:47 AM
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I too found it blatantly noticable that there was zero demonstrative reaction to cades big mistakes. If it were an OL with 3 mistakes on the level of what cade did vs CSU and after duke, Dabo would have been screaming at Austin and making him substitute. QB who gets talked up all pre-season? Different story. Like it was with DJU. Also strange that the QB coach / OC wasn't the one who CK ended up talking to.
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Just remember these are KIDS
Sep 10, 2023, 11:21 AM
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GO TIGERS
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All in all none of us knows until FSU
Sep 10, 2023, 3:08 PM
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Right now all opinions are about as credible as a CNN “news” story. FSU is the game.
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I don't disagree entirely but we already got killed by Duke.
Sep 11, 2023, 9:22 AM
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So we already know Duke is better than we are. I guess the remaining question is us vs FSU.
If we somehow win against FSU it will mean that my analysis was bad and my perception should take a break for a while. I'll happily admit that. I'll celebrate my own stupidity and love doing it.
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Re: Thoughts from the game...
Sep 10, 2023, 6:18 PM
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Very fair observation +1
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