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BUt Baylor beat TCU ??
Nov 11, 2014, 8:22 PM
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How irate would you be as a bear fan? What more can you do?
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Re: BUt Baylor beat TCU ??
Nov 11, 2014, 8:24 PM
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It will change on the final ranking if championships are truly a criteria - or something stinks.
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When they announced Condoleeza Rice, I knew it stunk.
Nov 11, 2014, 8:29 PM
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This committee has a lot of political underlayment and not enough CFB vets....
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They won at home by 3. If the game was @TCU, then
Nov 11, 2014, 8:31 PM
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TCU would've won. That wouldn't be enough to sway me in Baylor's favor if i was on the committee. Head to head wins by home teams are overrated by too many people.
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Re: They won at home by 3. If the game was @TCU, then
Nov 11, 2014, 8:35 PM
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The criteria in question is championships. If they jump a conference champion with a team they beat and they have the same amount of loses - the criteria are not been met and they can be arbitrary in their picks.
Lets see what happens on Dec. 7.
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But they don't play 10 times. They play 1 time this year
Nov 11, 2014, 8:59 PM
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and it doesn't matter where the game took place. TCU lost. Baylor should most certainly be in top 4 ahead of a team they beat on the field.
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head to head was supposed to be a factor
Nov 11, 2014, 9:00 PM
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from the committee. but it seems not that way now.
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"a" factor. Not the only factor.***
Nov 11, 2014, 9:02 PM
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Re: "a" factor. Not the only factor.***
Nov 11, 2014, 9:13 PM
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Please tell me where TCU should be ahead of Baylor, if they don't lose a game.Pay particular note to: Strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and championships won must be specifically applied as tie-breakers between teams that look similar;
The Rules from the Championship website.
Establish a committee that will be instructed to place an emphasis on winning conference championships, strength of schedule and head-to-head competition when comparing teams with similar records and pedigree (treat final determination like a tie-breaker; apply specific guidelines).
The criteria to be provided to the selection committee must be aligned with the ideals of the commissioners, Presidents, athletic directors and coaches to honor regular season success while at the same time providing enough flexibility and discretion to select a non-champion or independent under circumstances where that particular non-champion or independent is unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country.
When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:
Championships won Strength of schedule Head-to-head competition (if it occurred) Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory) We believe that a committee of experts properly instructed (based on beliefs that the regular season is unique and must be preserved; and that championships won on the field and strength of schedule are important values that must be incorporated into the selection process) has very strong support throughout the college football community.
Under the current construct, polls (although well-intended) have not expressed these values; particularly at the margins where teams that have won head-to-head competition and championships are sometimes ranked behind non-champions and teams that have lost in head-to-head competition. Nuanced mathematical formulas ignore some teams who “deserve” to be selected.
As we expand from two teams to four teams we want to establish a human selection committee that: (1) will be provided a clear set of guidelines; (2) will be expected to take the facts of each case and specifically apply the guidelines; and (3) will be led by a Chairperson who will be expected to explain publicly the committee’s decisions.
Some of the guidelines and protocols expected to be established to guide the committee would include, but not be limited to, the following:
While it is understood that committee members will take into consideration all kinds of data including polls, committee members will be required to discredit polls wherein initial rankings are established before competition has occurred; Any polls that are taken into consideration by the selection committee must be completely open and transparent to the public; Strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and championships won must be specifically applied as tie-breakers between teams that look similar; Committee members associated with any team under consideration during the selection process will be required to recuse themselves from any deliberations associated with that team; We would expect this same set of principles to be applied, particularly at the margins (teams 10-11-12).
College Football Playoff Selection Committee Protocol Mission. The committee’s task will be to select the best teams, rank the teams for inclusion in the playoff and selected other bowl games and, then assign the teams to sites. Principles. The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering: Conference championships won, Strength of schedule, Head-to-head competition, Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and, Other relevant factors such as key injuries that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
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If Baylor wins out, it's a completely different argument.
Nov 11, 2014, 9:18 PM
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That hasn't happened yet.
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Re: If Baylor wins out, it's a completely different argument.
Nov 11, 2014, 9:19 PM
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That's what I said up above as a caveat.
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Re: BUt Baylor beat TCU ??
Nov 11, 2014, 9:23 PM
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Head to head no longer matters. It's now about the "body of work." That's where we are in CFB. Head to heads prove nothing. It's a body of work. It takes the sport out of sport.
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Really?
Nov 11, 2014, 9:30 PM
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Where does it say that?
Please tell me where TCU should be ahead of Baylor, if they don't lose a game.Pay particular note to: Strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and championships won must be specifically applied as tie-breakers between teams that look similar;
The Rules from the Championship website.
Establish a committee that will be instructed to place an emphasis on winning conference championships, strength of schedule and head-to-head competition when comparing teams with similar records and pedigree (treat final determination like a tie-breaker; apply specific guidelines).
The criteria to be provided to the selection committee must be aligned with the ideals of the commissioners, Presidents, athletic directors and coaches to honor regular season success while at the same time providing enough flexibility and discretion to select a non-champion or independent under circumstances where that particular non-champion or independent is unequivocally one of the four best teams in the country.
When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must be considered:
Championships won Strength of schedule Head-to-head competition (if it occurred) Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory) We believe that a committee of experts properly instructed (based on beliefs that the regular season is unique and must be preserved; and that championships won on the field and strength of schedule are important values that must be incorporated into the selection process) has very strong support throughout the college football community.
Under the current construct, polls (although well-intended) have not expressed these values; particularly at the margins where teams that have won head-to-head competition and championships are sometimes ranked behind non-champions and teams that have lost in head-to-head competition. Nuanced mathematical formulas ignore some teams who “deserve” to be selected.
As we expand from two teams to four teams we want to establish a human selection committee that: (1) will be provided a clear set of guidelines; (2) will be expected to take the facts of each case and specifically apply the guidelines; and (3) will be led by a Chairperson who will be expected to explain publicly the committee’s decisions.
Some of the guidelines and protocols expected to be established to guide the committee would include, but not be limited to, the following:
While it is understood that committee members will take into consideration all kinds of data including polls, committee members will be required to discredit polls wherein initial rankings are established before competition has occurred; Any polls that are taken into consideration by the selection committee must be completely open and transparent to the public; Strength of schedule, head-to-head competition and championships won must be specifically applied as tie-breakers between teams that look similar; Committee members associated with any team under consideration during the selection process will be required to recuse themselves from any deliberations associated with that team; We would expect this same set of principles to be applied, particularly at the margins (teams 10-11-12).
College Football Playoff Selection Committee Protocol Mission. The committee’s task will be to select the best teams, rank the teams for inclusion in the playoff and selected other bowl games and, then assign the teams to sites. Principles. The committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering: Conference championships won, Strength of schedule, Head-to-head competition, Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and, Other relevant factors such as key injuries that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
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Not lose to WVU***
Nov 11, 2014, 10:52 PM
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Re: Not lose to WVU***
Nov 12, 2014, 8:36 AM
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Yup.
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Baylor's out of conf SOS is 128 out of 128 teams
Nov 12, 2014, 8:45 AM
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they schedule crap and should pay the consequences. This stat alone should disqualify them from consideration to the playoffs.
SMU Northwestern State (NOT Northwestern) Buffalo
(they play 9 conf games)
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Re: Baylor's out of conf SOS is 128 out of 128 teams
Nov 12, 2014, 8:57 AM
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True, though it's not like TCU scheduled a group of world-beaters this year (though they usually do OOC right). They've got SMU, Samford and Minnesota.
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Re: BUt Baylor beat TCU ??
Nov 12, 2014, 8:56 AM
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TCU was crushing Baylor @ Baylor before a great comeback which win it in the final minute. It wefinitely an admirable effort by the Bears and there's certainly a good debate as to who should be where. Yes, Baylor won, but as the away team, TCU lead the game for 59:59, and at one point had a 3 TD lead.
It's a tight debate, but there's certainly no way that there's a clear-cut choice right now.
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