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All-TigerNet [12943]
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110%er [5694]
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Re: Beverly Hills, CA
Nov 1, 2020, 9:10 PM
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I saw Jed and Granny there!
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Legend [15749]
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The polls can't be that far off, I would think.
Nov 1, 2020, 2:45 PM
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More of an enthusiasm gap. Although many people are voting for Trump even though they don't like him, some people absolutely love him. On the other hand, I haven't heard anyone at all say that they are excited about Biden. He's just the imperfect means to an end.
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Re: The polls can't be that far off, I would think.
Nov 1, 2020, 2:50 PM
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Agree 100%. He draws very enthusiastic crowds. Always has. There is basically a basement of 43% of the population that will drive hours and stand in long lines in the cold to go to these rallies.
Here's the thing though... The population of Arizona is 7 million. 13 million in PA. 40 million in CA. These rallies and parades make for nice pictures, and the enthusiasm is off the charts, but they are a very excited tiny fraction of the voting population.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: The polls can't be that far off, I would think.
Nov 1, 2020, 2:53 PM
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Re: The polls can't be that far off, I would think.
Nov 1, 2020, 3:01 PM
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T3,
What is the "intent" of the EC to which you refer ??
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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Electoral College's intent...
Nov 1, 2020, 3:05 PM
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is to ensure representation for all states. Get rid of it and absolutely no reason for the middle of America to even vote in the presidential election. The U.S. was not intended to be simply ruled by the majority.
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CU Medallion [60051]
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Taxation without representation***
Nov 1, 2020, 3:11 PM
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Heisman Winner [119760]
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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"most" to "all" don't understand this***
Nov 1, 2020, 3:18 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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and the genius is it still weighs in the majority opinion...
Nov 1, 2020, 3:25 PM
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As a republic of states, Democrats wouldn't want every state to have one vote either. The electoral college gives different states different weight based on population.
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Heisman Winner [137988]
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That's a fallacious argument, at best.
Nov 1, 2020, 3:23 PM
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Under the EC, 5 million Trump voters in CA have their votes count for nothing. Another 3 million Trump voters in New York...nothing. Every vote is meaningful in a popular vote election system. People in the midwest would have more reason than ever to turn out for elections.
Defenders of the EC do so because it benefits the Republican candidate. Prove me wrong.
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Re: That's a fallacious argument, at best.
Nov 1, 2020, 3:29 PM
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I'll prove you right. Wait long enough and one day the EC will disfavor Republicans. Watch everyone's opinion on the EC turn on a dime.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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when has that ever happened...
Nov 1, 2020, 3:35 PM
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I think you will be waiting a looooong time. Are the urban and rural voters going to switch affiliations and vote against their own interests?
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Re: when has that ever happened...
Nov 1, 2020, 6:57 PM
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It was an expected possibility in 2000 for whatever reason. The surprise was that it went the other way.
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Re: when has that ever happened...
Nov 1, 2020, 6:59 PM
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A little googling suggests that it might have been that people expected a big turnout from Texas, which could have given him the popular vote without the electoral college. It's been a long time so my memory is rusty.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I'm sure there has been an instance...
Nov 1, 2020, 8:05 PM
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and I am certain there are some unforeseen issues in the future. I did some googling too trying to find some stuff. I think it said there have been 4 times where the EC winner did not win popular vote. I thought it was bigger...so I learned that.
Also, it seems the South raised a stink because Lincoln won without a single Southern elector.
It seems the Founders didn't expect us to morph into the binary system we have. They envisioned us always having multiple parties competing in the general election.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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well, I explained it in more detail in another post...
Nov 1, 2020, 3:33 PM
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We are a collection of states. The founders wanted every state to have a voice in its federal representation. We could go for equal 1 vote per state. Democrats wouldn't like that since most states go Republican.
But the states are weighted in EC. This creates a balance between state representation and popular vote. Without the EC, California and the Northeast would determine the election every year. No need for any of the other states to vote. The Midwest does not have the population to thwart the will of the big cities.
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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well put... people forget history
Nov 1, 2020, 3:35 PM
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and it's vital we don't let them
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Rock Defender [54]
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I described it as genius earlier...
Nov 1, 2020, 4:02 PM
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but going back to do a little research, it seems like it is "accidental genius," as the EC came about as a compromise by tired politicians arguing between federal and state interests. Nevertheless, the intent is how I stated it, it was designed to "provide a degree of popular participation in the election, give the less populous states some additional leverage in the process by providing “senatorial” electors, preserve the presidency as independent of Congress and generally insulate the election process from political manipulation."
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: I described it as genius earlier...
Nov 1, 2020, 4:13 PM
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Re: I described it as genius earlier...
Nov 1, 2020, 7:08 PM
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You cannot talk with these idiots about the EC. It was a genius plan to get all states on board @ the time and still is true today. Our founding fathers knew what they were doing.
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I'm happy for Trump that he is finally getting the parades
Nov 1, 2020, 7:17 PM
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he was hoping for as President. These are a lot less costly to taxpayers.
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Heisman Winner [111730]
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are we passing through the tail of a comet?
Nov 1, 2020, 9:22 PM
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this is just like the movie maximum overdrive, except there are people behind the wheel.
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