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Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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We have plenty of NIL money, as well as an NIL center and collective strongly supported by the CUAD.
We are sixth nationally in NIL average per player.
We have plenty of money for NIL. This shouldn’t be surprising. After all, we pay our head football coach $11 million a year, second highest in college football. Our budget for our entire coaching staff is among the highest in college football. We have arguably the finest facilities in college football.
Our football program has resources and advantages most football programs can only dream of.
These are things to be proud of! They are the result of a university, athletic department, coaching staff, and fan base who have worked hard to get to this point.
I’m not sure why some of you are so insistent that we are poor and have no NIL money. The only reason I can think of is that you like to think that we are a blue collar school and fan base, always fighting for respect from the “elites.” That, plus it gives you a ready-made excuse to fall back on when we lose a recruit. That’s an easier pill for you to swallow than placing any responsibility on our coaches.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 5, 2023, 11:24 PM
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I could be wrong, but I don't think any NIL money can come directly from the school's coffers. It has to come from the outside.
But the question I do have is can NIL money come from outside the state?
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Reactive methodology...
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vs proactive methodology regarding NIL
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This sounds like a REAL WINNER proposed by an organization so INCOMPETENT
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that it CAN’T FAIL to screw things up even more.
Way to go NCAA. Hey, that’s funny. I said “NCAA”.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think any NIL money can come directly from the school's coffers. It has to come from the outside.
But the question I do have is can NIL money come from outside the state?
Most certainly it can.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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I think it is clear there are no rules, if you cheat, your head coach may miss 3 games at most.
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This fanbase needs to embrace NIL.
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If we want to build a winning program, we have to do our part. We have a centralized NIL collective now, join one of the donor levels. I would also like to see 110Society talk to some of these local business who benefit for game day crowds. They should be supporting as well.
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Re: This fanbase needs to embrace NIL.
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Agree. However it's my understanding that the local businesses are already participating. I could be wrong.
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Some of them are
Dec 5, 2023, 11:50 PM
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Dear Old Clemson had some of them listed on their page. Once the 110Society website fully built, you will likely see them on there.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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Tell your butt buddy Brownell to quit mooching money from our football program to subsidize his 13 year failure as a coach
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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Thank you judge Keller. I'll add that it's very damaging perception to push. Public media, podcasts/radio, YouTube etc push that narrative enough. We certainly shouldn't push it either. Hearing or reading it may deter the next Trevor Lawrence from even giving Clemson a chance. And that's not just football.
As judge laid out, have one of the best. We as fans should promote it and be proud of it.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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A source would be helpful.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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You keep posting that we’re 6th in NIL money, but the only source you provided to show this was from over a year ago and made zero sense. For instance, it says the average Bama player was making $52,000. If you were to multiply that average by 85 players you’d have a total of $4.42 million for the team. The source says that Bryce Young was making $3.2 million and Williams was making $1.6 million. Well, those 2 players alone would be making more than the entire team so that already makes no sense. The same is true for the 3 individual Ohio State players it listed who made more than the amount the source said the entire Ohio State team was making.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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It’s also based on social media following for athletes. Not hard data. We’ve hashed this out on our boards several times. It’s just an algorithm to estimate value…not real numbers.
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Coot 1... judge 0***
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Re: Coot 1... judge 0***
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Clemson Has NIL money. I agree, furthermore
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I also agree people maybe have listened too much to what folks who would have a recruit look elsewhere has to say about Clemson.
Some people, I agree sound like they just came from a SEC scout negatively recruiting against Clemson.
Please, all of you instead of jumping on the bandwagon, take a look at where on3 has our players ranked in terms of NIL money. Or NIL money period for that matter; because it's there and they are getting it.
As Clemgalalways and Judge have said, "you all actually help encourage that negative lie about Clemson by not looking at the facts"! Please view link before acting like or not stopping a non-Clemson fan from saying Clemson doesn't embrace NIL. Because you are a part of the would be problem: "if not for the fact some Clemson athletes are getting a nice compensation package for their likeness, name and image.
See below, pretty please with sugar on top!
https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100/?team-key=23426
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Re: Clemson Has NIL money. I agree, furthermore
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Are those valuations numbers per season, year, or career?
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Re: Clemson Has NIL money. I agree, furthermore
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The way I understand it: "it's for this football season"! Don't quote me; but that's how I understood it to be. A season includes the offseason when you do Spring and such.
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Re: Clemson Has NIL money. I agree, furthermore
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Then they are basically pro players now.
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Re: Clemson Has NIL money. I agree, furthermore
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Then they are basically pro players now.
Yep!
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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What a long round about way to take a shot at the football coaches. I like the rest of your message though.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 11, 2023, 12:04 PM
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It’s what the troll does. He works long and hard at it.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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Citation required on NIL ranking. I don't buy it, and no one is required to disclose those figures. Texas and other huge enrollment schools have at least an order of magnitude more money at their disposal.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 6, 2023, 5:15 AM
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I agree with you. I need to understand NIL better. However, I have to believe that top schools like Texas and Michigan have big national brands and significant money behind them. I am not convinced we have the same magnitude of resources. Clemson is somewhat less aggressive in portal usage as evidenced by our transfer gets vs other colleges. Our HC has employed a more targeted approach to the portal, but limited use for sure. Desire and money are certainly drivers here.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 6, 2023, 6:18 AM
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Being ranked 6th currently is really good, but it does not tell the whole story. Currently we are competing with the rest, but there are several schools that have not tapped all of the resources they have for NIL yet either. Has Clemson? I do not know that answer. I have heard we are stretched as far as we can go, but I have no inside knowledge to know that. NIL is still growing for many though, and I sure hope we can keep up with it as we have so far, BUT what we can't keep up in is conference money. Clemson and all other ACC schools are about to be way behind in that regard. If you think that will not hurt, then you are not being honest with yourself. The reason Clemson and several others want to leave the conference is they know this monetary difference is going to be very hard to overcome. So, I agree NIL for now is not an issue, but it soon will be if we do not get out of this conference. The big money supporters of NIL will start to back off and we will start to fall behind if Clemson doesn't find a way out. That is just facts. I will be a Tiger fan regardless of any of it, but reality is we will begin to fall off over the next few years if changes do not happen.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 10, 2023, 11:11 PM
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I get what you're saying about the conference issue, but how does that affect NIL? I didn't think NIL money comes from the schools?
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When the men's bball payroll is north of $2M
Dec 6, 2023, 7:37 AM
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and it's hardly a blip on anyone's radar, yep, money is not one of Clemson's problems.
It will be one day, but it isnt right now.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 6, 2023, 7:59 AM
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Nobody thinks we are sixth nationally in NIL resources. Continuing to repeat nonsense over and over doesn't make it true. I think we have above average NIL resources for sure, but above average means we aren't going to be able to waltz into the portal and snag whoever we want, which appears to be a major gripe with the program at the moment from the same crowd that appears convinced Dabo is sitting on a big pile of cash he'd prefer not to spend so he can go 9-4 the rest of his career. Sometimes the truth hurts.
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You are 100% right on this***
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Link to being 6th?***
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 6, 2023, 10:01 AM
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Dude you act like the coaches are sabotaging the football program. With the way Dabo has shown us how he wants to run his program he isn’t just jumping on every big name that enters.
So what if we do have the money, is what he is looking for worth the players asking price?
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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I don't think it is a matter of "can't compete" but a matter of we won't cross the line to compete, like many others are doing. When you see guys entering the portal one day and the next day they are signing up with another program, you know they have been tampered with. The schools hire third parties to do the recruiting for them so it isn't tied to them directly, and then they immediately close the deal as soon as a prospect has entered the portal.
Rightfully so, we don't do that. However, it is a form of "competing" that still takes place so technically speaking, we are "not competing" from that perspective.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 6, 2023, 10:10 AM
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Also how much of the NIL monies are being used to keep what we currently have on the roster.
Also can we come up with another name for this deal. It is a far cry from being NIL.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
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I think retention is definitely the prime driver of our NIL $...
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 11, 2023, 11:54 AM
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I think retention is definitely the prime driver of our NIL $...
Exactly. Retention is the goal right now. Then the portal is selectively filtered for a few players that can help the roster while not becoming a major bidding war. You can see that from the current players that have announced offers thus far.
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You may be overstating things just a tad...
Dec 6, 2023, 11:09 AM
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No one said that Clemson can't compete in the NIL game. However, what has been said is that it would be challenging for Clemson to compete with schools like Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Texas A&M, Texas, and Oregon among others. Clemson is NOT currently ranked in the top 20 of NIL collectives.
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Can you please share the source for overall collectives?
Dec 11, 2023, 12:08 AM
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Thanks
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Re: Can you please share the source for overall collectives?
Dec 11, 2023, 11:49 AM
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The remaining collective is 110 Society. It is endorsed by IPTAY and CUAD. It’s a step in the right direction. It’s been structured so that in the future IPTAY can assume control when NIL rules are changed. However, the collective needs more participation from the larger Clemson fanbase same as IPTAY’s reach. How do I know this? I have spoken to one of leaders of the prior NIL collectives that is in full support of the transition to 110 Society. He worked on NIL contracts with Clemson athletes for the past two years. He is very knowledgeable about where Clemson stands on the NIL landscape. We are making progress, but not where JK would portray. The valuations shown on websites are basically fiction. They have no verified data about Clemson NIL.
Please understand I’m not trying to create a perception that Clemson is way behind, just trying to make others understand we are not yet where we need to be and willing participation beyond deep pocket boosters is needed.
My current complaint about 110 Society is the lowest level of recurring donation is set higher than what I used to do. With the prior collective it was possible to contribute $25/month specifically to women’s sports (basically softball) and $25 into a more general NIL fund. That kind of entry level pricing and flexibility to direct the funding was a good place to start for Clemson with so many rightfully skeptical about supporting NIL. Monthly budgets are really stretched after this run of high inflation. I do think 110 Society is missing the boat on getting broader participation, but hopefully they have done their homework on how best to launch successfully.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 11, 2023, 11:24 AM
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How much is plenty and how does that amount compare to teams like Ohio St, Texas, UGA and Bama? The amount we pay our coach has zero to do with the amount of NIL money available as I suspect you already know
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 11, 2023, 12:05 PM
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How much is plenty and how does that amount compare to teams like Ohio St, Texas, UGA and Bama? The amount we pay our coach has zero to do with the amount of NIL money available as I suspect you already know
The only data point that I have heard publicly that I believe was from Coach Day a couple years back. I believe he told OSU boosters that it would take approximately 10-12 million/yr to retain his roster. I’ll bet it’s escalated since then with all the tampering going on.
Agree we should not conflate coaches salaries and funds used to build/renovate facilities. The only overlap is people the CUAD and IPTAY approach to generate the funding. Thus, you can see where closer budgeting priorities between traditional athletic funding and NIL funding is a must, especially at Clemson where the alumni base is a smaller pond than the blue bloods we compete against. You’re asking the same group to fund both, so you better be able to explain the priorities and make it make sense.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 11, 2023, 12:00 PM
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So many people still confuse “valuation” with actual NIL contracts.
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Probably similar though. Unless our guys are underpaid.
Dec 11, 2023, 12:46 PM
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And I highly doubt that.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 11, 2023, 12:07 PM
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We put plenty of money and resources into our basketball program too. But that doesn’t stop you from using that as your go to excuse as well. Practice what you preach and just stop taking backhanded shots at the football program and coaches. It’s really not a good look and everyone on here sees it.
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Re: Some of you need to stop acting like we cant compete in the NIL game.
Dec 11, 2023, 12:12 PM
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I agree that most posters here seem to think we can’t compete. The CBS cover 3 podcast team mentions it frequently. Clemson is very competitive with top teams for NIL; However, Dabo will not cross the line into pay for play and where you see most of the news for NIL is in that space.
We are making sure players coming back to Clemson are getting NIL deals and telling recruits what our current players are making instead of offering them a paycheck. Honestly the same has been said for UGA and Bama. I don’t know if they have a firm stance against tampering, but they are using NIL funds in a similar way.
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