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Sickness in College Football
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Feb 10, 2024, 8:42 PM
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Am dismayed and sickened at College football now! You have high school kids fresh of being let go in some cases who are making many times the money of a PhD tenured College professor! If that fact does not bother you as well then you are part of the problem! Not sure if there can be.a solution found!
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Re: Sickness in College Football
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Feb 10, 2024, 9:46 PM
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Isn't America great? Maybe 5% of college athletes make more than minimum wage for a year and that is what NIL is about. The game has not suffered, just fans with closed minds.
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Non scholarship student athlete makes min wage.
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Feb 11, 2024, 8:45 AM
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They are just paid differently , the cost of a tuition, all the food they could possible eat, supplements, personal training and 25 million plus facilities, laptops, iPads, gear and on and on is hundred K plus a year. That’s not even considering access to the best coaches money can buy to help mentor them on their craft. People forget what the actual benefit is of a schorlaship is. If they were a ref students they would have to pay and wouldn’t get near the benefit.
But the answer to the original poster is I’m a free market capitalist,if someone is willing to pay them (even if I think it’s crazy) then good for them
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I'm with you....
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Feb 10, 2024, 10:05 PM
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After giving 25 years, I'm having serious reservations about continuing to give to IPTAY. It will be hard for me to "write that check this year". I wish IPTAY would allow me to restrict what sports receive money for scholarships.
Why does a kid making enough money to pay his/her own tuition need my money?
We are at the point that schools are functioning as minor league programs....the integrity of what it meant to be a student-athlete was lost many years ago....now it's just a blatant farce.
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NIL affecting all sports now. LSU Gymnast making $3.5M this year for example.
Feb 11, 2024, 11:32 AM
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At this point, we either want to support IPTAY or we do not. This is not IPTAY or Clemson's fault. Just the way things are going now.
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Easy answer. IPTAY money doesn't go to the individual athletes.
Feb 11, 2024, 12:50 PM
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It goes to the program.
NIL money goes to the individuals that can get it.
That money doesn't ome from the school or IPTAY.
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Re: Easy answer. IPTAY money doesn't go to the individual athletes.
Feb 11, 2024, 3:11 PM
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If the state law changes per last week’s news, that equation changes. The schools (it appears at first blush) would gain significant control of the collectives’ funds. But that’s a lot better than the current Wild West scenario, assuming any actual controls are ever put in place.
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How so?
Feb 11, 2024, 3:41 PM
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Anything that interferes with an athletes rights to every penny of their own NIL money is a violation of federal law.
I haven't seen anything that says anything like your statement from the state legislature.
I'd be interested in a linked source.
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Re: Sickness in College Football
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Feb 11, 2024, 12:09 AM
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With what some of the tenured PhD professors are feeding our kids I'm happy to see some kids making the money.
At least they are getting paid for the entertainment we get from sporting events.
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Re: Sickness in College Football
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Feb 11, 2024, 5:40 AM
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I understand the problems NIL creates but I don't understand the hostility toward players for getting paid. Would you be equally as dismayed and sickened if the college kid earned more than the professor based on something the kid invented or a small business he created?
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Re: Sickness in College Football
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Feb 11, 2024, 7:35 AM
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You have obviously never paid for a four year degree for your children to go to a major university...or you find no value in a college education...sent a boy to TAMU for 5 years (yes he had a good time at Dixie chicken) and a girl to UT for four years...theymade the grades,we paid the bills!
No we didn't take out any student loans...when they were born we planned forcollege...they were not pampered like these football players...FOOTBALL is still a game that we have morphed into a major business...we will as a society have to decide if beating up on poultry is worth what we have done!
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Re: Sickness in College Football
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Feb 11, 2024, 7:47 AM
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Not sure how it could be "obvious" to you I've never paid for a kid's college eduction. I paid for my son's four-year degree from Clemson University. No loans. I do understand the costs associated with a college degree.
Outside of a lesson on family budgeting for college, I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
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Re: Sickness in College Football
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Feb 11, 2024, 11:58 AM
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There would not he an issue with a kid earning more than a professor based on an invention or a business. Mark Zuckerberg would sort of be an example of that.
Earning more money than a professor via an extracurricular activity is, however, an issue. A ball coach earning more money than a professor is also an issue. A university making millions of dollars from an extracurricular activity is similarly an issue.
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Re: Sickness in College Football
Feb 11, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Exactly.
I’ve always said if you’re gonna complain about athletes being allowed to make money, first start by complaining that coaches make more than professors.
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Re: Sickness in College Football
Feb 11, 2024, 4:00 PM
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Why is it an "issue" for a coach to earn more than a professor? Garrett Riley pulls down about 1.7 mil per year. What does a tenured professor at Clemson make....170k? Maybe you think one of those is overpaid and one may be underpaid. I think Clemson University is best suited to determine the value each one brings. If the professor was positioned to demand a million bucks per year, just like you and me, he'd do it.
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Where did you find that I have hostility towards the kids?
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Feb 11, 2024, 1:25 PM
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I don't but I DO NOT like the fact that "D-1" programs are nothing more than a minor league. My hostility is towards the greed of ESPN, TV, the Power Five conferences, and the business of gambling. {Too late now but legalized betting on amateur/college athletic events should never have been allowed. If you want to gamble, bet/gamble on professionals...let the NFL/USFL or whatever be about gambling.}
If the "kids" want to be professionals, let them negotiate a contract, let them be professionals. Let the NFL create a minor league for the kids who want to be professional athletes. Let colleges be about education and the student-athlete and amateur sports.
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Re: Sickness in College Football
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Feb 11, 2024, 8:47 AM
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Universities are not paying players. If a company wants to pay a college athlete to endorse their products or services, that is between them and the player and an adult in America has every right to make money on their own name whether you like it or not. Carry on sir.
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Feb 11, 2024, 11:50 AM
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Universities are not paying players. If a company wants to pay a college athlete to endorse their products or services, that is between them and the player and an adult in America has every right to make money on their own name whether you like it or not. Carry on sir.
These are not companies. These are boosters collecting funds to tamper with athletes from other schools.
Sad you still think it is NIL. That was the original intent, but has became something totally different. You carry on sir! You seem so far off from reality regarding anything you post.
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Re: Sickness in College Football
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Feb 11, 2024, 12:01 PM
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What do you mean "these are not companies"?
Dr. Pepper is a company. They payed DJ to use his name to promote their products. No reason whatsoever he shouldn't have been able to do that.
Cade Klubnik has NIL deals with multiple companies.
The OP is complaining about the amount of money these players are making, not tampering which has been happening for decades including at Clemson. Remember a guy named Danny Ford?
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NIL collectives absolutely are companies.
Feb 11, 2024, 12:53 PM
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Every one is chartered as a business. If they weren't, they couldn't legally sign NIL contracts with their clients.
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CU Guru [1654]
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Does not bother me at all. I think its crazy that
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Feb 11, 2024, 8:48 AM
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Someone wants to give their hard earned money (no matter how rich they are) to 18 years to play college sports like this but if someone is willing then good for the athletes to get it. As far as college professors? Most of them keep pushing a woke liberal agenda and have no worry about their feelings. They all get paid well and have cushy life protected from much or the pains of the real world.
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Re: Does not bother me at all. I think its crazy that
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Feb 11, 2024, 9:23 AM
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To be on scholarship for 4 5 or 6 years now, you receive approximately half a million dollars in value.
In a free market, a student-athlete signs a contract to be on scholarship. He is free to sign this contract. It’s contract law.
Where the Supreme Court created a loophole is the NIL situation, which takes power away from the school and gives it to the collectives. Where the ncaa messed up is removing the sit out for a year transfer policy. So now we have the Wild West, or some hybrid version of minor leagues that can’t sustain.
Ask yourself this question. Do you want to support Clemson football, or do you support minor league football, that may, or may not, be played at Clemson’s stadium?
I for one don’t know the names of minor league players in baseball, basketball, hockey, etc.
If we’ve removed or neglected the fact that student athletes signed to play for a university would all these NIL opportunities pop up, if this new minor league wasn’t associated with the school?
Virtually nobody would support that. Viewership and money would be deflated quickly.
The fact that people are pro this new broken system that can’t sustain makes me think they really either don’t know college athletics or don’t support Clemson University.
For Pete’s sake we have not even fully funded all sports at Clemson but a recruit with zero experience in football signs a deal that gives him a full ride plus how many ever thousands of dollars which probably totals more than half a million (if he stays). We have baseball players on scholarship who are getting NIL deals just to pay tuition (there are no full rides in certain sports). I’m talking projected first rounders.
We have screwed this whole thing up and it ends with sports separating from colleges.
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The Supreme Court didn't "create" anything.
Feb 11, 2024, 2:59 PM
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There is no loophole.
The NCAA is blatantly trying to violate federal antitrust law. Their entire sports model is illegal.
They don't have an anti-trust exe option.
The NCAA made millions of dollars every year for decades while but paying the athletes anything like fair market value.
Now the people that desire the value can get done if that money, and that is a VERY good thing.
If the NCAA burns down, it's because they ignored the basic rules of fire safety and didn't pay for a fire department.
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Anyone making more than chytbag tenured Profs is a GOOD thing.
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Feb 11, 2024, 11:55 AM
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Cry more
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Re: Sickness in College Football
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Feb 11, 2024, 12:01 PM
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Dony worry, China is paying PhDs plenty
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CU Guru [1020]
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That is an utter false dilemma.
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Feb 11, 2024, 12:48 PM
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How much entertainment value does a professor bring to a TV market or sports team brand?
What are a professor's endorsements worth?
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Re: Sickness in College Football
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Feb 11, 2024, 1:14 PM
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Who are you to say anyone is part of the problem? These people are making what someone is willing to offer for their talent. What could be more American? Its a free market and it will evolve and rules will be made moving forward that make more sense. We're in a messy phase of doing the right thing.
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