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I believe Will Shipley finds himself in a conundrum that did not exist up until
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Nov 29, 2023, 7:45 PM
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NIL blew up college football. I do not think he will get a high enough draft grade to go to the NFL. And, although Clemson may have some NIL deals, I frankly do not think we could compete with suitors in the Transfer Portal for his services in that regard.
With what could literally be life changing money out there available AS A COLLEGE PLAYER, what would YOU do? He will have his Clemson degree in December, so would not technically be academically leaving early.
Now, a million dollars, or even a couple of them, is not going to necessarily set him up for life. But, it would certainly be a helluva lot better start than just about any college graduate not signing a pro contract would have. And, as has been seen with other good players, many from Clemson, getting into and hanging around the NFL long enough to make serious money is FAR from a guarantee. He could already have a "Bird in the Hand" moneywise, so to speak, before he even has to attempt to make the league.
It is not an easy decision, I suspect.
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Re: I believe Will Shipley finds himself in a conundrum that did not exist up until
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Nov 29, 2023, 7:57 PM
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Why are you so sure that Shipley would transfer?
Nothing in the amount of playing time he received changed during the year.
I for one hope that if He does not go in the draft He stays with Clemson!
I hate the transfer portals!
And NIL as it currently works is ruining college athletics!
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No its not
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:14 PM
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The kids are just in on the action. Nice to see the workers get paid what they are worth.
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Re: No its not
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:23 PM
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I would think 100K+ in education is valuable compensation as well.
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Re: No its not
Nov 30, 2023, 8:27 AM
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Funny how your comment generated so little .
Some will liken sports at this level to be akin to slavery. I see similarities but they do all of this voluntarily and can leave anytime. It is also true that any academically minded kid with athletic talent can leave a college career with a degree (at least one) at no cost which can set them up very nicely for life. But this takes a degree of maturity we no longer expect of our kids. Still, these kids are giving it their all for our entertainment and often leave with injuries that will nag and hamper them for life. I'd be very much in favor of setting these kids up for dome sort of Healthcare provision that will follow them after college.
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Re: No its not
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Nov 29, 2023, 9:14 PM
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They are not workers, YET. Please, I am not flaming you. The whole idea has gotten corrupted since athletic scholarships first started back in about the early 30s, I think by the SEC, although support for it started in 1934 at CU. It was intended to be a way for kids who had a special skill to get a chance to get to college and wow has it become something strange. But these guys are not employees. They are manipulated in a lot of cases by coaches and friends and agents and even families. It is on the verge of becoming a minor league NFL farm system. Without a major overhaul the system will implode on itself once unions get established. As time goes by there is less and less support for real, tackle football (CTE, etc.) so that is happening slowly at the same time all this money stuff is exploding. The game as we know it will likely be only a semblance of what it is now, come 25 to 50 years with rule changes. Flag football, anyone? W-L based on stats anyone? Just look at what it was in the early 30s - leather helmets, little passing, tie games allowed, no holding or pass interference allowed, no soccer style kickers, no piped in music, people actually did organized cheers, an amateur sport guys played for love of the game and a possible shot at stardom and THE girl (or girls) and maybe even love of their school and desire to give something back to the school and teammates. Now it is way too personalized, me-me. It is a far cry from what it was, today, corrupted by TV and money. Still fun to watch and to be able to dissect and cheer or rant about on Monday morning at work. Generally we see on site attendance continuing to be a challenge and having to have light shows and constant sensory bombardment to get folks to come and stay at games. It is sad to see and of course everything changes. Let's hope some common sense and reasonable and enforceable rules on money and amateur status and integrity of the college experience and the institutions themselves are brought to bear before things get even worse. End of rant. Back to work.
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Re: No its not
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Nov 29, 2023, 9:15 PM
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From the one that wanted Ship benched 5-6wks ago. Nothing about what is happening in the portal is what college athletics are supposed to be based on.
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Re: No its not
Nov 29, 2023, 9:40 PM
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Players are WORTHLESS without the marketing organization, and the loyalty of the fans to the institution outside of the sport.
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Re: No its not
Nov 30, 2023, 6:53 AM
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Remove the players. Now tell me where the value comes from? What product are we now watching?
What does the school have to market?
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Re: No its not
Nov 29, 2023, 9:51 PM
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But even NFL has contracts and salary caps. You don't get to just transfer or leave.
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Re: No its not
Nov 30, 2023, 6:50 AM
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The kids are just in on the action. Nice to see the workers get paid what they are worth.
Well let them gain employment and report their income like all the rest of us. That free education is going to take most of these guys farther than football ever will. A lot of great players don’t last long in the NFL.
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Re: I believe Will Shipley finds himself in a conundrum that did not exist up until
Nov 29, 2023, 8:36 PM
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1965tiger ... Unsure of your statement "Nothing in the amount of playing time he received changed during the year."
Mafah had a lot more even split of carries in 2023 than he did in 2021 and 2022. And Shipley went from 1st Team All-ACC to Honorable Mention All-ACC (4th team).
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Re: I believe Will Shipley finds himself in a conundrum that did not exist up until
Nov 29, 2023, 11:23 PM
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Nothing changed in 2023
They started the year splitting time and they still are
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Re: I believe Will Shipley finds himself in a conundrum that did not exist up until
Nov 30, 2023, 6:53 AM
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Mafah picked up a lot more carries this season even without Shirley’s injury. He made the most out of his opportunity and seemed to be more of the work horse.
Both were huge contributors I’m just comparing previous seasons to 2023.
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Re: I believe Will Shipley finds himself in a conundrum that did not exist up until
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:00 PM
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After taxes it will be a bit less. Still beats the average engineer, doctor, lawyer, or whatever.
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Re: I believe Will Shipley finds himself in a conundrum that did not exist up until
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:18 PM
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I gotta think NC St and UNC are suitors
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Re: I believe Will Shipley finds himself in a conundrum that did not exist up until
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:27 PM
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Wonder what kind of NIL money Shipley makes at Clemson?
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Lol, Ship isn't transferring.
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:28 PM
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He's either going pro or coming back. It's simple.
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I don't see anybody offering enough NIL money to lure him away.
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:38 PM
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I'm sure he's making a chunk at Clemson, but it's not like he's a top-tier QB who would command the really big money. And unless there is some kind of locker room turmoil or personal issues with the coaches, there is no other reason for him to transfer. He is a feature RB for a high-profile team where he gets plenty of PT and exposure. I could be very wrong, but I can only see him leaving if he gets a high enough draft grade, or if he doesn't think coming back will improve his stock.
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Re: I believe Will Shipley finds himself in a conundrum that did not exist up until
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:33 PM
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I think he will be a very good CFL player with the extra space. A top RB can make $150k.
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Re: I believe Will Shipley finds himself in a conundrum that did not exist up until
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Nov 29, 2023, 8:42 PM
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Indeed. A guaranteed mil versus the chance to make a mil or two. Roll the dice??
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Shipley may have bigger long term (near term?) aspirations than FB
Nov 29, 2023, 9:03 PM
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I’m curious about how committed Shipley is for FB moving forward.
Unlike the large majority of FB players, Shipley is both very smart and has (for practical purposes) already acquired his BS in a field that can lead to a lucrative career in business. He surely has enough NIL money to invest further in his education re: law school or other.
Ship’s most valuable asset is his mind. I think he knows this.
Remember his two hard whacks on the head? NCSU and GA Tech. This kind of stuff just isn’t good for a guy who aspires for a long term career in business; nor is it good for quality of life if a small bit of brain damage occurs. The game of FB bears the risk that big time head whacks are likely. Smaller head whacks are, of course, just part of the game. Lots of small head whacks also hurt the brain.
What I’m getting at is that Ship may be weighing his options right now to either (1) see if he can get a NFL deal that pays him in the $2MM range, or (2) retire from FB altogether, use his current NIL stash to further his non-FB professional development.
(*). Unless Ship gets a NIL deal from us in the ~ $2MM range, I could see him cashing in his college FB chips altogether. Maybe, just maybe, another college would cough up a NIL deal in the $2MM range (if we don’t come up with ~ $2MM to keep him … which I doubt we’ll ‘make arrangements for a private business’ to pay that much), then he’ll give CFB the 2024 season and then call it quits for all FB (NFL, CFL, Australian, etc).
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$2M?
Nov 29, 2023, 9:41 PM
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I don’t think anybody is going to pay nearly this amount. A few 100, maybe.
What was the Chipotle deal worth?
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If you havent already, go watch his episode of HouseCalls on YouTube
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Nov 30, 2023, 7:19 AM
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There’s no way that dudes quitting football. He’s an old school animal, extremely competitive. Yes, he’s very smart but he’s also extremely driven to be the best athlete possible. His family is very sports-driven as well.
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If not going to NFL, what motivation is there to transfer?
Nov 30, 2023, 4:38 AM
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More NIL Money? How significant a jump in NIL can 1 year make? We all hear rumors, but are there really $5 Million NIL deals out there?
Better chance at Playoff/Natty? With playoff moving to 12 teams next year, an improved Clemson (no back breaking Turnovers) has a decent shot of being included.
More playing time? I could see this being the only real factor here, as the time share with Mafah has increased this season and would likely continue next year. On the other hand, ETN had somewhat limited carries and still made it the league as a high draft pick, and probably has a few more carries in him because of he reduced load (aside from his injury year in Jax). With improved OL play and commitment to the running game, both guys could be 1000+ yd rushers next year. He could continue to showcase his catching ability as well.
Unless he goes somewhere that is poised to deliver him the Heisman with combination of scheme and schedule, not sure a 1 year change is worth it.
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