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The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 11:20 AM
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to step down:
https://www.thehour.com/news/article/The-Founders-didn-t-prepare-for-a-president-who-15744686.phpThe Founders didn't prepare for a president who refuses to step down, historians say President Donald Trump continued Friday to deny the results of the election, pressuring state officials in Michigan and Georgia to overturn the will of voters, and increasing fears that he might refuse to cede power to President-elect Joe Biden. But those looking to the nation's Founders, or the Constitution they framed, for answers to such a crisis will come up empty-handed. There is nothing in the Constitution about what to do if a president refuses to step down when his term expires, according to three historians and a constitutional law professor. "No, the Framers did not envisage a president refusing to step down or discuss what should be done in such a situation," said Yale historian Sean Wilentz. "There's obviously nothing in the Constitution about it." "This is a contingency that no one would have actively contemplated until this fall," said historian Jack Rakove, a professor emeritus at Stanford University. "We [historians] pride ourselves in saying, 'Don't worry, this has happened before,' or, 'Worry, this has happened before,'" said Jeffrey A. Engel, the founding director of the Center for Presidential History at Southern Methodist University. "Right now, if all your historians can say is, 'We are in entirely uncharted waters,' I don't even know how the rest of that sentence ends." Recently, Engel asked the post-doctoral fellows and undergraduates affiliated with the center - whose areas of study range from George Washington to Trump - to drop everything they were doing and search for any historical clues or parallels. "They all say they got nothing," Engel said. The Constitution says a president's term expires after four years. That's it. Congress set Washington's first term as officially beginning on March 4, 1789. March 4 became the de facto...
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The founders didn’t
Nov 21, 2020, 11:26 AM
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But the deep state/Illuminati has a back up plan
He will be dead’d for sure if he doesn’t cooperate
Failed coup>assassination would be a wild chapter in history
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Hollywood would celebrate***
Nov 21, 2020, 12:30 PM
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Re: The founders didn’t
Nov 21, 2020, 6:39 PM
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think we would ever elect a child.
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 11:29 AM
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Those guy had some honor. Trump would have been shot dead in a duel back then with all of the trash he has talked. Cruz vs Trump would have been a lock.
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Mittens and Trump in a duel would be honorable
Nov 21, 2020, 12:32 PM
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Trump would do it
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Re: Mittens and Trump in a duel would be honorable
Nov 21, 2020, 12:39 PM
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Biden vs Trump
Cruz vs Trump
Greta vs Trump
Rosie vs Trump
etc etc vs Trump
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 11:49 AM
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Why would a President who won step down?
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 11:55 AM
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Because he obviously didn't win. He was actually blown out and it wasn't close. You'll believe anything. In the scenario of real life, not make believe, he should be gracious and do what is best for America and give a concession speech. He doesn't care about America though, only himself. America spoke.
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I don’t disagree with your point
Nov 21, 2020, 12:28 PM
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It does have me interested in running the numbers of
Population Eligible Voters Margin of victory
Yes, he lost, I’m just curious now if it was a field goal, touchdown or 28 pts
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Re: I don’t disagree with your point
Nov 21, 2020, 12:43 PM
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It's actually gone up in the popular vote by another million votes for Biden, but I am not sure what states. He still got blown out no matter how we look at it. On that note, they say they always think there is a margin of error that could be 1000 votes or something smallish, so we obviously need a better system.
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Interesting article, but the proposal in the title sounds
Nov 21, 2020, 12:47 PM
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very thin, or actually flawed. Doesn't it assume a situation that doesn't exist? There is no 'stepping down'. No president has ever 'stepped down'.
The states certify the election and the electoral votes, at which point there is no 'stepping down'. He can draft orders with no effect, and congress will send bills to Joe to sign or veto. Don can chain himself to the oval office desk, I guess, and Joe can just leave him there and do business from his basement like he has been, and let Don get cold and hungry because congress will stop paying the bills on the place. Or a swat team can rappel off the roof and crash through the window like they did to Clark. Whatever, but he won't be president.
What is the article blustering about?
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 12:57 PM
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I wonder how many SS agents it will require to carry his lardass onto marine one?
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 1:16 PM
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I wonder what the crowd will be like to watch him leave the White House. That should be a huge party with a few fist fights in the mix too.
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 1:38 PM
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if he keeps stoking this flame, it will be a brawl, not a party.
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Secret service has little experience in this, this is a job
Nov 21, 2020, 3:21 PM
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for the Forest Service. They'll dart him, weigh him, tag him, relocate him, and release him somewhere with little chance for more human interaction.
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Re: Secret service has little experience in this, this is a job
Nov 21, 2020, 3:23 PM
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I like it. He seems like the type of creature that would continually return though.
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 6:39 PM
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to recognize reality.
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 6:44 PM
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no sane person believes that trump will not transfer power if beaten
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 7:00 PM
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He was, in fact, beaten.
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 7:16 PM
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not over, no matter how much you want it to be
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 7:17 PM
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It's over no matter how much you want it to be.
Any decent human being (and even some not so decent) would have conceded at this point. Even Hillary did. Trump is worse than Hillary Clinton.
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Re: The founders didn’t prepare for a president who refuses
Nov 21, 2020, 7:20 PM
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the votes have not been certified
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