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Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
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Apr 14, 2024, 7:07 AM
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When stuff like this begins to leak out, it is an indication someone is talking “deal”. This appears to be ESPN’s opening salvo, so likely will get negotiated down some from here. Clemson/FSU have found leverage that many doubted they could find on this GOR thing. Too many skeletons in the closet coming out for ACC and ESPN not to cut this discovery off at the pass. They want to spit the lure out now!
https://x.com/crazyunclelou/status/1778795810198532250?s=61
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That deal doesnt sound so great to me!***
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Its starting point of negotiations, not final ESPNs proposal
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Apr 14, 2024, 7:35 AM
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so a counter will come back and it will get better for us but framework/concept seems like a realistic approach given all the interested parties who need to get something out of it. Otherwise it becomes a winner take all situation with a legal ruling and no one wants to tempt that fate. Mediation is best in contract disputes. Split the baby into pieces.
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If we can get the facts out about the Jefferson Pilot deal, and the ACC DOES
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NOT WANT THAT, then we need to get a much better deal that what is on the table....
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Re: If we can get the facts out about the Jefferson Pilot deal, and the ACC DOES
Apr 14, 2024, 10:26 PM
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We will do much much better They won’t get our media rights past 2027 period because of the re-up with ESPN or Clemson & FSU will sue the new members for the money they get as they weren’t a part of the original deal.
The fact they were added only helps our cause.
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
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Apr 14, 2024, 7:57 AM
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That's a deal I'd walk away from.
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Its just the start, but a start and initiated by ESPN/SEC so let games begin***
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ESPN/SEC so let games beginactually a good
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Starting point. Chess not checkers here. Recovery mode from a totally ridiculous hose job in 2016 (whenever) and now the ship is taking on water.
CU/FSU will look to sweeten but they won’t walk away.
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
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Apr 14, 2024, 9:31 AM
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Somehow, I doubt that fsu and Clemson would have committed to putting out a large sum of money on a wing and a prayer. They must have had good reason/ feeling for winning, or the whole point was to go to mediation. The writing is on the wall. Both schools are leaving. Why make the situation worse. ACC may want to go to mediation in order to not give other schools a way out.
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This is not a done deal just a starting point***
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Re: This is not a done deal just a starting point***
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Apr 14, 2024, 2:41 PM
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Obviously
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
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Apr 14, 2024, 8:09 AM
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So that would mean competing against teams every weekend who get twice as much revenue we get for 12 years. Yikes, not a fan. If true, I hope this is, indeed, just a first offer in negotiations.
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There are other things about to be revealed in discovery that the ACC and ESPN
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Apr 14, 2024, 8:19 AM
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do not want to come out. Both the FSU and Clemson cases know they have found something that gives them leverage here. As things get revealed and weaknesses are exposed on the GOR front, the cost for FSU and Clemson will go down further. Other options are available. The B1G and Fox still have yet to weigh in but once the additional facts come to light, that dynamic lights up. ESPN and ACC are just trying to sew this up now in hopes FSU and Clemson bite. They won’t right now. More to come before they are at the point of settling. Especially on those terms.
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Re: There are other things about to be revealed in discovery that the ACC and ESPN
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Apr 14, 2024, 3:07 PM
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The ESPN contract is not through 2036. It has to be renewed in 2027. So, FSU and Clemson are only on the hook for 3-4 years. Not 12. They will leave the ACC by paying less than 100 million and will not give up any media rights. That is what will be negotiated. Otherwise the Florida judge will let them exit for nothing. IMHO.
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My man JUNK YARD
Apr 14, 2024, 11:16 PM
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With the good information.
Ive been telling people we will get out for much less than what people imagine.
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The internet is a wonderful drug
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Apr 14, 2024, 8:17 AM
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Some rando West Virginia fan with a thousand followers posts this "inside info" theory last week, now this guy re-tweets it, and all of sudden you accept it as fact.
Literally hundreds of professional journalists are covering this story but a guy named crazy uncle on Twitter scoops em all? Please Tmail your banking info I have an incredible investment opportunity I think you'd love.
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I said it is an indicator that something is afoot behind the scenes
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Apr 14, 2024, 8:25 AM
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Understand there’s strategies by folks in high places that utilize selective leaks like this to key influencers in social media b/c it tends to go viral and create a groundswell of discussion and reactions by certain parties in cases like this better than just discussing it in a backroom of select few involved. It is called social-engineering the negotiations outside of official channels.
Trust me, Neff and FSU’s AD have heard about this and likely discussed it too even if not formally offered by ESPN or the ACC. Same with certain folks in the SEC and ACC. This is just all of the game now as things quickly progress towards mediation phase.
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It's an indicator that some losers on Twitter are able to make stuff up to get
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Apr 14, 2024, 8:34 AM
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Clicks. When something is about to happen, and it benefits those who make the decisions for it to be known, they'll leak it to someone reputable that they've worked with before not some loser who makes rapture eclipse jokes on Twitter. Here are some other posts from the same guy, do you also believe these?
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He likes to stir the pot on different, non-football fronts but he is plugged in
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Apr 14, 2024, 8:48 AM
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On college football. One thing he is and that is opinionated and sarcastic, but usually in an effective, hard to argue back way.
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Re: He likes to stir the pot on different, non-football fronts but he is plugged in
Apr 15, 2024, 4:05 PM
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Thus guy isn't plugged in at all. He's been horrifically wrong on expansion for going on 2 decades now.
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Just because you dont know Uncle Lou (his channel) doesnt mean he is
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not plugged in on stuff like this. He is on record shooting down all the other exit hype thrown out there by FSU and to some degree Clemson. This is his first acknowledgement this one has legs.
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Go ahead tell me who he is, not what he's posted in the past, but what makes
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Him someone I should believe? You say he's plugged in; to what? Does he work for ESPN, Fox, a newspaper, Clemson, FSU, the ACC, the Illuminati...
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Re: Go ahead tell me who he is, not what he's posted in the past, but what makes
Apr 14, 2024, 10:34 AM
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He is not beholden to folks like ABC or ESPN and strives not to get caught in their control. He likes to be able to say and think freely about college football mostly, among other things on occasion. He is very reluctant to believe in conspiracy theory nonsense and all they hype and hoopla that many tend to through out to generate click bait - especially on the never ending “conf realignment” topic. He likes to keep it real.
Now all that said, he loves to needle folks who believe crap like that. He mocks them. But in this case he saw this one has having potential because it is not a bunch of Pollyanna pro FSU people pushing it and it isn’t an easy solution to prescribe. There’s gonna be some real compromise here to pull this off. But is doable with the right %/$. That’s all. Not that this is how it will end up in the end.
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Still wondering, whats tangible to say hes
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“Plugged in”?
By the way, we are gone and it doesn’t take this dude to understand that.
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Re: The internet is a wonderful drug
Apr 14, 2024, 3:11 PM
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Doug Rohan, an attorney, handed this guy his knotted up ACC homer drawers.
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Uh, they better start talking to UNC then. Theyre out the door the moment
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the ACC cracks too, they’re just not willing to be the ones to break it.
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
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Sounds like the same deal Clemson already has - pay that much to leave so we only make 1/2 of what other SEC teams make until 2036???? Nonsense.
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
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Noway this happens. This is just people wishing and hoping.
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Random twitter post from some random dude
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And you just straight up believe it.
Sad.
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I believe theres some discussions underway that talk about this option, yes
Apr 14, 2024, 10:27 AM
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I do not believe it will end up here though. More to come…
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Fingers crossed! Where theres smoke theres usually fire!***
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
Apr 14, 2024, 9:19 AM
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Gotta start somewhere. Now ACC getting a 25% share and half that exit fee then you might be talking.
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
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Call Swoff for advice on this and then do the opposite
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
Apr 14, 2024, 9:22 AM
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I hope its all wrong. I still prefer the ACC to the B1G and especially the SEC.
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The ACC ship has sailed. They are a failed, zombie conference at this point...
Apr 14, 2024, 10:25 AM
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Get out or fade away into mediocrity at this point. SEC and B1G will gobble up the best coaching staffs, develop best facilities and recruit the best athletes with that big of a $$ differential and the gap worse by the year.
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Insert Ron Burgundy dont believe you gif***
Apr 14, 2024, 10:21 AM
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
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I can see $50 million exit fee and 25% TV revenue.
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
Apr 14, 2024, 10:29 AM
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Somebody needs to notify Swoffie to come back! There is another horrible deal on the table that he would love to sign!
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
Apr 14, 2024, 11:04 AM
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No thanks.
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What if $50mm exit fee and only 20% of TV $ paid only per year and
Apr 14, 2024, 11:10 AM
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When ACC payouts get negotiated down or if ACC goes bye, bye our payment go down?
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Re: What if $50mm exit fee and only 20% of TV $ paid only per year and
Apr 14, 2024, 11:13 AM
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I don't know. The whole thing, he-- the whole sport right now, turns me off.
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He seems to just be repeating what the West Virginia
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blogger said earlier this past week. I haven’t seen anything from a reliable source yet, especially from anyone connected to the acc or sec.
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The only real leaks will come from non-ACC and non-ESPN sources
Apr 14, 2024, 8:29 PM
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B/c they have to keep their hands clean until a deal is done.
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Based on prior readings,
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ESPN holds the cards with the ability to end the ACC contract by 2027. And if the ACC demands payment from Clemson and FSU through 2036, ESPN could opt to pull the ACC plug 2-3 years from now.
Disney already has their hands full in Florida with DeSantis and the theme park. Disney/ESPN may not court even more ire from FSU faithful.
And Clemson may have some cards to play as well. Getting more interesting.
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Re: Based on prior readings,
Apr 14, 2024, 3:24 PM
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Disney has its hands full expanding its theme park to the tune of 60 Billion. but I agree with you that ESPN the nut hand in all of this.
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Re: Based on prior readings,
Apr 14, 2024, 10:13 PM
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The guy in the twitter post… I doubt he’s the one with the actual info but this falls right in line with what one of the posters over on the cluckers board posted.
He didn’t go to any source but he’s a lawyer… yes he really is bc you can tell he’s broken down these law suits and court filings and knows his stuff.
I read the entire thread a what the OP posted is right in line with what the clucker broke down in that thread.
Dude did a whole break down and he’s 1000% correct. Remove the fandom and rivalry for a minute. He’s been saying this same thing from the get go… Clemson/FSU will be in the SEC very… very soon.
ESPN/ACC DO NOT want that GOR leaked at all. ESPN will be the reason we move bc they have pretty much or will very soon tell the ACC… either settle and let Clemson/FSU out or we’ll choose not to renew the contract and you’ll lose them anyway for nothing.
Clemson/FSU will be SEC bound by 2026 at the very latest but it could very well be as soon as 2025.
Yes it’s an opinion to this point but the guy was extremely fair towards Clemson/FSU and kept the break down exclusively about the lawsuits and didnt let fandom into the break down.
I would highly suggest going to read the theme thread for 2 reasons…
Obviously the main reason would be bc his break down makes a ton of sense and it’s rooted in reality… the 2nd reason is to laugh at the fear and denial from the rest of the cluckers in the thread. It’s absolutely hilarious bc they know it’s coming but don’t want ti accept it and are fighting the guy tooth and nail but he had a legit come back for every condescending response.
It’s going to happen sooner or later but my feeling is it will be much… much sooner bc with every passing year we fall a little further behind and Clemson/FSU are not going to stand for that.
So for those of you that the the idea of the SEC logo on our jerseys… I highly suggest you either come to terms with it and accept it or find something else to do on Saturdays bc it’s going to happen. It’s not a matter of if but when.
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Nailed it 4416
Apr 15, 2024, 3:01 PM
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Close......
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
Apr 15, 2024, 12:39 PM
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While this may be totally made up, it is believable. ESPN is the one who holds the cards here. Really Disney. Disney is shopping spinning off ESPN. They don’t want contract details leaking out in court or a judgement in the case complicating their ability to sell the ESPN asset. ESPN currently owns the TV rights to both the SEC and ACC. They could facilitate a move of FSU and Clemson to the SEC, control the payouts to the SEC and include an early negotiation of the expiring ACC/ESPN deal. They are the only one who jails those cards. If FSU and Clemson want out and into the SEC, ESPN is the perfect organization to facilitate that. It is probably in their best interest to try.
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
Apr 15, 2024, 12:45 PM
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Also, by facilitating a deal between private parties (ACC, SEC and ESPN) -- the details of the actual transaction can be shielded from public view (so UNC can't see the price tag for a buyout). Which, in theory, can keeps the ACC alive for the foreseeable future.
So the deal ends up with FSU and Clemson agreeing to a "buy in" for joining the SEC rather than a "buy out" from the ACC.
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
Apr 15, 2024, 4:00 PM
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No way this happens. We wouldn’t leave for that little bit more money and also forking out $150 m. We’d just stay in the ACC and have an easier path to the playoff.
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Re: Looks like ESPN negotiations on Clemson/FSU exit are well underway
Apr 15, 2024, 4:08 PM
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This is merely ESPN's first move on the chess board...we can and will do better than that because the ACC do NOT want Swofford's shenanigans aired in public.
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