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Future Stadium Renovation
Sep 13, 2013, 9:43 AM
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This has been on my mind for quite some time now. A couple of months ago when all of learned that the proposed plans for stadium renovations to Death Valley had been on hold I really became disappointed. I mean, in the world of college football recruiting, and in the atmosphere of college football today, the latest developments in stadium renovation (like it or not) has become the way to go.
Consider the example blueprints I've attached. Baylor & Texas A&M have already figured this out; with brand new stadiums to be unveiled in 2014 and 2015 respectively. Shoot, even freaking Washington (which I know we'll obviously never have to compete against) opened up an almost 270 million dollar brand new stadium complex. Granted, I know the first two examples are schools in Texas; a state devoted to football like its a world religion or something. And they probably have money out the wazoo to fund these things...
Don't get me wrong, I love Death Valley. Those who say it's not one of the best arenas in college football either haven't been there, or are just plain stupid. And obviously I wouldn't want to change the design of the stadium, or the structure of the seating at all. But you know, I don't think it would hurt to add a few extra thousand seats and to finish that Phase 3 project we all were looking forward to.
Am I the only one here? Anyone else been sort down every since the renovations were cancelled?
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I wouldn't mind some shades over the upper deck.
Sep 13, 2013, 9:47 AM
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Adding seats isn't necessary though.
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I agree about adding extra regular seating.
Sep 13, 2013, 10:29 AM
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I'd like to see something where the east end is closed above the hill with suites. Keep the scoreboard and all where it is, build above it. Maybe throw in some glass floors so those people could have a bird's eye view of the team running down the hill.
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Re: I agree about adding extra regular seating.
Sep 13, 2013, 10:57 AM
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We could build seating in the east end zone that gave that entrance to the stadium a more stately entrance. (like the University of Southern California's main entrance)
We would obviously need to incorporate some sort of penetration through the wall (a barrel vault would make the most sense to me) that led to Howard's rock & the hill.
* If we build it tall enough, we could even have it cross the street and incorporate a better area for the players to get off the buses. (although this is probably unlikely now that they have built a memorial (I think - haven't been up to Clemson in a while) across the street from the rock.
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Re: I agree about adding extra regular seating.
Sep 13, 2013, 11:05 AM
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I would like to see them improve the restrooms & concession areas as well.
And (while we are talking about it) do a better job of marketing Clemson's ACC and National championships.
Hanging large solid black banners between the structural bays of Memorial stadium might look cool. (to reference the stripe of a tiger and indicate that the Clemson football program has earned their stripes) Using black also fits in image wise with Memorial stadium and Death Valley...
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Re: I agree about adding extra regular seating.
Sep 13, 2013, 11:08 AM
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They could also renovate Littlejohn into a newer improved indoor football facility and build a new basketball arena on the west side of lake Hartwell. (that overlooks the lake and campus) That would help recruiting for the football and basketball programs IMO.
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Re: I agree about adding extra regular seating.
Sep 13, 2013, 11:09 AM
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and relocate the baseball stadium so that homeruns could be caught by students floating in lake Hartwell. (like Candlestick park)
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Do you often talk to yourself like that?***
Sep 13, 2013, 12:56 PM
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Those aren't blueprints, they are renderings***
Sep 13, 2013, 9:47 AM
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Personally I don't think we need more seats...
Sep 13, 2013, 9:48 AM
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there are too many times when that stadium is empty in the corners. Keep the capacity at its current level.
However, I would have liked us to finish the West End Zone. Hopefully this will happen.
Having a bigger empty stadium is not something college football recruits want to see. There are several studies out right now talking about the decline in college football attendance due to the rising costs of tickets, etc.
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That's what they said after they finished the 1st upper deck
Sep 13, 2013, 10:11 AM
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at Clemson BUT the 1980's was so good to us it drew more and more fans until we put the upper deck up on the other side. Now imagine 10 years of success with Dabo and his teams. I could see an expansion because of interest if that is the case. Let's say 84,000 to 88 or 89,000 seats or something like that.
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But then again, it may have been full in the 80s
Sep 13, 2013, 5:39 PM
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but I vaguely remember as a kid in the 90s, that it seemed like almost every game you could read CLEMSON and TIGERS in the upper decks because so few of the seats up there are filled... If we did add seats, I don't wanna add a whole lot.
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Re: Future Stadium Renovation
Sep 13, 2013, 9:48 AM
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not that they are huge powers but I think Cal and Stanford have both rebuilt or renovated theirs recently
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And 2 out of the 3 still have nothing on DV.***
Sep 13, 2013, 9:52 AM
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Re: Future Stadium Renovation
Sep 13, 2013, 9:52 AM
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I would like to enclose the Hill area with more seats which would definitely fill up and make the stadium much louder. More people near the field is better imo.
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Re: Future Stadium Renovation
Sep 13, 2013, 10:00 AM
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You would have fewer people on The Hill if you put seats in and
IT AIN'T HAPPENING!
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Re: Future Stadium Renovation
Sep 13, 2013, 10:02 AM
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Not seats on the hill. Just put more seats at a high elevation where they already have seats.
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Would cover up that lovely view we have there
Sep 13, 2013, 10:06 AM
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Any new seats will be above the west endzone. I believe it was designed with that in mind.
We really dont need anymore seats. We just need to make what we have nicer.
I think we should do more work to the Facade. Bricking in more areas that are concrete. Adding glass above the brick on the visitor side to hide those terrible pipes. Making the entry to the home side upper deck nicer, Looks like a back alley right now. And making the concourses nicer.
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Pressure wash concrete where it say "Welcome to DV"***
Sep 13, 2013, 11:21 PM
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Re: Re: Future Stadium Renovation
Sep 14, 2013, 12:15 AM
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I hope yhey don't enclose the hill. that's part of a tradition and something students look forward. it was great when I was a student....waiting for the carpet to roll up and piling in to get a good spot
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Re: Future Stadium Renovation
Sep 13, 2013, 9:52 AM
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I do not like the renderings I have seen of section GG.
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Re: Future Stadium Renovation
Sep 13, 2013, 10:06 AM
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I haven't seen those plans. Where did you see them?
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Husky Stadium currently is being completely redone
Sep 13, 2013, 9:55 AM
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from the ground up:
http://goo.gl/loA0yZ
So, yeah, think about that for a minute.
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Re: Husky Stadium currently is being completely redone
Sep 13, 2013, 10:01 AM
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It's done!
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The only change I would like to see is shades over the upper
Sep 13, 2013, 9:57 AM
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deck like you see with Washington's stadium...that would make it louder as well.
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Re: The only change I would like to see is shades over the upper
Sep 13, 2013, 10:04 AM
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I like this idea, as long as you leave a view of the lake and mountains from the pressbox and TV cameras
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Very expensive to build, how much increase in ticket
Sep 13, 2013, 10:22 AM
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prices would you like to pay for the shades? Unless the original structure was designed for the future shades, which is probably wasn't, the addition would not be easy.
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I wouldn't mind shades, but you'd have to be careful not to
Sep 13, 2013, 11:05 AM
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block the views of the surrounding areas; plus you'd risk making the upper decks look like the roach in Columbia if you didn't keep it sleek looking.
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Like To See More High-Rise Seats .......
Sep 13, 2013, 10:11 AM
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On both sides of the scoreboard above The Hill.
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Re: Like To See More High-Rise Seats .......
Sep 13, 2013, 10:16 AM
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. Can you imagine how fing loud it could be.
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and hot...***
Sep 13, 2013, 10:23 AM
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The only addition we need are more bathrooms in the tailgati
Sep 13, 2013, 10:17 AM
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ng areas
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YES! More PJs is the only thing that was missing Ga weekend!***
Sep 13, 2013, 10:47 AM
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I'd just like to see the concrete bricked in
Sep 13, 2013, 10:25 AM
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Concrete just gets dirty and looks old school.
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Would you pay for the alterations to the foundation?
Sep 13, 2013, 10:44 AM
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It shouldn't cost more than building a new stadium.
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Re: Future-RETRO Stadium Renovation
Sep 13, 2013, 10:31 AM
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How about roll-out awnings like in ancient Rome?
If we do that we might want to further honor the ancients by letting tigers out of cages rather than lions to chase our opposition? 
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I say we add upper decks to the upper decks.
Sep 13, 2013, 10:39 AM
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Then, we could really see Russia from there.
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decks on decks on decks?***
Sep 13, 2013, 10:41 AM
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Phase III was not cancelled...
Sep 13, 2013, 11:05 AM
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the hysteria that the decision to wait a year or two on future work at Death Valley has created is incredible. Get your facts straight before you start writing crap.
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Re: Phase III was not cancelled...
Sep 14, 2013, 12:53 AM
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Dude, go be a troll somewhere else. Being a ###### for absolutely no reason not only doesn't impress anyone, it just makes you look like a jacka**. I didn't post what I said to create idiotic rumors or streamline false information. I did it to start a discussion and gain helpful insights and opinions from willing contributors.
Since you fit neither of the criteria, go craw back into your Coot hole and throw out a pathetic attempt to embarrass someone else. ####.
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You missed USC stadium renovations
Sep 13, 2013, 11:08 AM
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oops, nothing has changed
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The only thing I see that could be done would be to...
Sep 13, 2013, 11:13 AM
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expand the upper sections of both lower decks around the corners toward the hill. That would probably add about 5k seats.
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Re: The only thing I see that could be done would be to...
Sep 13, 2013, 11:32 AM
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Curious if I'm in the minority on this. I live far away and can only get to games occasionally. When I come back, I always try to get lower deck seats, no matter where. When I'm in the upper deck, especially in the higher seats, I almost don't feel like I'm in the stadium. Is it just me?
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I prefer lower deck but sat in the upper for the
Sep 13, 2013, 5:41 PM
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GT and VT games last year and I definitely felt like I was in the game. Granted, I was only about halfway up the upper deck so it wasn't TOO bad.. but it was plenty loud up there and definitely awesome.
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Re: Like I asked before...
Sep 13, 2013, 12:38 PM
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You have plenty of room on the right side of the hill (if your facing it.) to add seats and not effect the road.
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I want the oculus!***
Sep 13, 2013, 4:01 PM
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Why?***
Sep 14, 2013, 12:06 AM
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Why do we need more seats though?
Sep 13, 2013, 5:36 PM
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Sure, our attendance is great lately... but still the stadium is not completely full when we play teams that don't bring a lot of visiting fans. 77,000 looks great in our current stadium.. pretty much a packed house minus the upper deck corners.. but 77,000 in a 90,000 seat stadium is going to look pretty crappy.
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Re: Why do we need more seats though?
Sep 13, 2013, 7:25 PM
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You're right. We don't need more seats. I'd like to finish the WEZ and extend shades over decks. Nothing more really needed.
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We never imagined in the 60's that there would be any
Sep 13, 2013, 7:44 PM
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additions to DV, much less that it would hold the numbers now. Any future expansions IMO will be directly related to supply and demand.
As the numbers of grads and fans grow, and if we continue building success, demand will surely outstrip supply...and the masses will howl for seating. I doubt I'll live long enough to see it, but I can envision the WEZ reconstructed into a bowl effect, and the EEZ enclosed but leaving the hill. 20-25 years from now may well see DV seating over 100,000.
Thus, I would never say never...and some of you will be part of the crowd clamoring for expansion. lol
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Re: We never imagined in the 60's that there would be any
Sep 13, 2013, 8:22 PM
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I would never say never either, but The Hill is sacred - at least the carpeted part.
I would not be surprised if you can't sell more GG tickets than putting in seats.
We both remember grass on either sides of the west end zone and a huge oak tree where the Box office/IPTAY offices are now.
Just don't ruin the Clemson experience.
Will tV make it so seating numbers don't change but amenities must improve?
Need a good businessman to develop a sensitivity analysis.
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Most at Clemson in the 60's probably would have nixed the
Sep 13, 2013, 8:28 PM
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idea of upper decks...or the WEZ, so as not to ruin the DV we knew and loved. However.... I do agree about the hill, but I believe the demand (as I indicated) will eventually result in expansion in the EEZ, as well as the WEZ.
The $$$$$$$ and screaming for seats will win the day...as they have over the years.
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We are at 81,500 official capacity. I would like to see an
Sep 13, 2013, 8:48 PM
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even 90,000. That would only require adding 8,500 seats.
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Rather than adding more seats, I'd like to see improvements to what we have.
Sep 14, 2013, 1:51 AM
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Although it would decrease seating capacity, why not make some of the bleacher seats actual fold down chairs with arm rests? Maybe not in the upper deck, but some or all of the lower deck.
I say this because I think the move will be toward amenities for fans. For people to continue choosing to attend games instead of watching at home on their nice TVs in the comfort of their own homes, the fan experience will have to be improved. More comfortable seats, nicer concourses, better restrooms, and more food choices will soon be required in some (or all) of the stadium.
I would ultimately like to see tiered ticket prices, so that a seat on the 50 in the lower deck costs more than a seat on the 10 in the upper deck. I realize it already does in an indirect way with IPTAY, but still. This would pay for these improvements. It would also allow for an eventual increase in seating in the future.
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