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Orange Blooded [4011]
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Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
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Aug 24, 2023, 11:14 AM
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by adding Stanford, SMU and Cal
That’s $24M/ year
That’s less than each team gets today
That’s dilutive to the already low distribution acc schools get today
STUPID
And why does ND get a say in who joins the ACC. Sign up for football, or keep your mouth shut. This conference is run by a bunch of fools
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
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Aug 24, 2023, 11:17 AM
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I have wondered the same thing?? What has ND got to do with it? Somebody needs to tell the wealthy Irish to sit down and shut up, it's not their football.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
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Aug 24, 2023, 11:22 AM
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Notre Dame has 1 vote just like we do.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 11:26 AM
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Does ND get the same share as everyone else currently?
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Athletic Dir [869]
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No, ND don't get full money share. But they get a full
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Aug 24, 2023, 11:54 AM
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vote. They also add a lot to our media rights deals, without ND we'd be making way less money (or the ACC would be dead and we'd have been part of the B12 in the early 2010's, and we likely wouldn't have had the run in football we had.
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Re: No, ND don't get full money share. But they get a full
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Aug 24, 2023, 12:05 PM
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ND hasn't one #### thing to do with the success of Clemson football.
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Orange Blooded [2134]
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Re: No, ND don't get full money share. But they get a full
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Aug 24, 2023, 12:11 PM
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You just throw shat at the wall to see what stuck? This may be the dumbest thing I'll see today on the internet and that says a lot.
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Athletic Dir [869]
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Which part? Without ND joining the ACC for 5 games
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Aug 24, 2023, 1:05 PM
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a year in football and then all other sports the ACC deal with ESPN would have been for far less money, and possibly the conference would have broken up and a likely landing spot for the Tigers could have been, and was pushed by many, the Big 12. And while no one knows unknowns, I don’t think Clemson would have been the national power it’s is by playing and recruiting and focusing on that region of the country. The stars aligned and Dabo did his magic and Clemson has been a top 2-3 program since then.
Some of this is fact - ACC money with and without ND (this info can be researched from then, and in recent ESPN deals too), Clemson’s rise to the top of college football in the years after, and some is opinion, namely that what could have happened may not have been ideal if things broke differently.
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All-TigerNet [10400]
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Re: Which part? Without ND joining the ACC for 5 games
Aug 25, 2023, 7:52 AM
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####! I didn't know N.Dame's first 4 ACC games in 2014, built our roster for 2015 and the national championship in 2016. I can't believe we had to wait until after N. Dame became a partial member before Dabo land was built.
What a joke
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
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Aug 24, 2023, 12:04 PM
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Notre Dame is an outsider to the ACC, with their own set of interests, and no reason for concern for the fate of the conference because they are not bound to suffer the consequences, and they get their money from their own contract. Their vote waters down the vote of Clemson and FSU, and whoever else has a vested interest in the ACC. Duke, Wake, Syracuse, ... won't lose anything because they are mac level schools that happen to have a basketball program.
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CU Guru [1222]
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
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Aug 24, 2023, 12:35 PM
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ND is far from an outsider. They are a full member of the ACC. Period. The fact they only play a partial football schedule doesn't mean they aren't a full member.
Shocking that people over here are just now realizing that. It's been that way since 2013.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 12:59 PM
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They call themselves "independent" in football.
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110%er [5512]
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110%er [5961]
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Except that they DID play Clemson in the ACCCG
Aug 25, 2023, 7:14 AM
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2020 season.
Are you saying that if ND won that game, they would not have been the ACC champions ??
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110%er [5512]
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Re: Except that they DID play Clemson in the ACCCG
Aug 25, 2023, 9:27 AM
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Are you really trying to use 2020's example as some sort of proof that they are a full member?
Notre Dame was granted 1-year membership due to Covid and the inability to put together a football schedule. Period.
They are not a full member.
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110%er [5961]
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Nope, did not say that. Simply provided proof
Aug 25, 2023, 10:42 AM
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that the statement they will never win a ACC championship is not fully accurate.
If you do not realize they are not a member of the football conference, then not much can help those people.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
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Aug 24, 2023, 11:26 AM
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Any ACC "additions" at this point is simply adding poop to a sh#t pile. There are no worthy or big names schools left to be had...bottom line is if we don't get invited/join the Big10 or SEC you can say goodbye to us being a football power ever again. There will be zero ability to compete moving forward.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
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Aug 24, 2023, 11:44 AM
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Getting out of the ACC is all that matters and all that any Clemson fan should be talking about. If they can’t GTFO, I worry about negative recruiting, and I worry about losing Dabo to Alabama. And maybe worse than anything, the “Coots” might pass us by. They have to get out now or TNet will be talking about the good ole days before you know it.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 11:48 AM
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I don’t agree with that logic. You’re implying that money equals success. That’s just not true. Just look at Texas and Texas a&m
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 1:32 PM
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I can’t help you if you don’t get it. Have a good day
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110%er [5961]
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As long as Mom has a say in decision, Dabo & Clemson
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Aug 25, 2023, 8:58 AM
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will be just fine. Money is important and it might sound nice to make more, but money most definitely DOES NOT lead to more success on the playing field. Clemson in 2016 was in the 20/30 range as far as revenue, and we won National Championship.
The landscape has changed no doubt. Maybe Clemson does lose out, but regardless I will continue to love and follow Clemson football. The 90's and 2000's had plenty of rough times, hope they are not back anytime soon
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Re: As long as Mom has a say in decision, Dabo & Clemson
Aug 25, 2023, 9:29 AM
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Clemson was 20/30M, but so was everyone else.
The problem isn't the amount we are getting. It's the gap between "us" and "them", with "them" being other conferences. When the gap grows to $40m a year difference, it will have an impact.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 11:28 AM
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It's not dilutive. The new schools would take a reduced share (drastically reduced). That reduced share, plus the extra $72 million, gets divided up among the current schools. It won't be much extra, maybe $4 or 5 million per school, but it won't be dilutive.
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CU Guru [1047]
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
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Aug 24, 2023, 12:07 PM
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The short term bait to get voters, but in the long term they will be reaping an equal share of the success of the few top teams in the acc.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
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won't even come close to covering olympic sports travel to the west coast. This idea is garbage and ND should be told to kiss off or join. Period.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 2:28 PM
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If Notre Dame leaves, then the TV contract payout is reduced.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 3:30 PM
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It is dilutive. Yea, for a short period of time they will take nothing. As in the next 4 years....then after that point they will get equal revenue share.
Absolutely NO WAY ANYONE SHOULD AGREE TO THIS
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 3:37 PM
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No, they aren't getting equal shares after 4 years.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
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Aug 24, 2023, 4:18 PM
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They would be getting equal shares eventually. Rumors are 4 years for Stanford and Cal, and 7 years for SMU.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 4:32 PM
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That's not correct.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 4:51 PM
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Ok. Source?
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 25, 2023, 7:08 AM
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Same question to you.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 25, 2023, 7:44 AM
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It's completely diluted. That $72 million, is the total added value. Take out the 30% that Stanford and Cal will get, and you're left with around $55 million for the "slush fund". That will only be for 5-7 years, so what happens after that time. The $55 million hardly puts a dent into the deficit we face, and that seems to be what everyone wants to point to, but what happens at the end of the 5-7 years? Do those 3 schools get $24 million and everyone else gets their full shares? Or is the pot split evenly? If the pot is split evenly, that does exactly what the original poster said, dilutes the TV revenue.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 25, 2023, 10:43 AM
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That’s just plain wrong
That 72M is the incremental revenue to the acc
Any additions need to bring more than $30M/yr per school to be accretive to the conference
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All-TigerNet [13038]
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They gave ND full voting rights so that's already spilled
Aug 24, 2023, 11:30 AM
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milk.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 11:57 AM
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It has to be part of a bigger plan to add more teams besides just those 3.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 2:30 PM
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It's not.
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
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Adding two West Coast schools makes ZERO sense, as in 0!!
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Re: Let me get this straight, the acc could add $72M in revenue
Aug 24, 2023, 12:35 PM
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Tiger fans and Iptay will keep Tiger sports going strong. ESPN is going under. The sec(lower case) will go with them. Clemson's success is NOT controled by others. GOO TIGERS!
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No matter how much mayo and pickes you mix in...
Aug 24, 2023, 2:37 PM
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you can't make chicken salad out of chicken ####.
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Re: No matter how much mayo and pickes you mix in...
Aug 24, 2023, 5:38 PM
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I guess it will be 2035 before we see you over here in the SEC. The expansion will lock you in for sure. That's what the whole thing is about. The ACC figures if you think you and FSU has half a leg to stand on about getting out then expansion will squash it forever. You might as well send your geniuses back to sign the GOR a third time.
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