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Rock Defender [54]
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I went to school at clemson
May 11, 2012, 7:45 PM
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My degree is worth more if we stay in the ACC. Anybody who disagrees is in denial.
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Come on guy...
May 11, 2012, 7:50 PM
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education is a small price to pay in return for Clemson football dominance!!
Your priorities are misguided
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Rock Defender [54]
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Ha! See that's the thing
May 11, 2012, 7:54 PM
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We wouldn't dominate in the big XII. It really hurts Cornell graduates to be in the ivy league.
Clemson has no one to blame for its failure to dominate but Clemson.
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Rock Defender [54]
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The SEC isnt known for good academics. Is a degree from
May 11, 2012, 7:55 PM
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Vandy useless?
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Orange Blooded [3257]
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what about the others?***
May 11, 2012, 9:41 PM
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CU Guru [1900]
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exactly
May 11, 2012, 10:55 PM
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the schools academics arnt going to decline just because "SEC" or "BIGXII" is on the football field/basketball court. Or more recently, behind home plate
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Rock Defender [54]
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Clemson isn't Vandy.***
May 11, 2012, 8:00 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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...or Cal, or Michigan, or Washington, or Wisconsin,
May 11, 2012, 8:24 PM
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or Penn St, or Illinois, or Texas, or Ohio St, or Tex AM, or UConn, or Florida, or UGA. Just a list of non-ACC schools with very respected academic programs ranked ahead of Clemson. The degree I received today will be just as valuable in any other conference.
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Legend [16264]
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Congrats!***
May 11, 2012, 8:33 PM
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Legend [19202]
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I went to school at Clemson also. Clemson is why my degree
May 11, 2012, 8:02 PM
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is valuable now--not the ACC. Which do your loyalties belong to--Clemson or the ACC?
Just Saying!
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Rock Defender [54]
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As stated, denial ...
May 11, 2012, 8:03 PM
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And that isn't about loyalty.
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Legend [19202]
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explain denial in terms of your Clemson degree?***
May 11, 2012, 8:09 PM
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110%er [5915]
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Florida and UGA are
May 11, 2012, 8:10 PM
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public universities rated higher than Clemson.
Maybe they are working on joining the ACC so their degrees will be even better by associating with ACC schools?
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Re: Florida and UGA are
May 11, 2012, 9:44 PM
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Please, don't hold your breath. UGA, FLorida in the ACC? LOL!
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Re: Florida and UGA are
May 11, 2012, 9:47 PM
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That was the premise of the post, DA.
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^^majored in sarcasm at USuC
May 12, 2012, 12:15 AM
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I think it was pretty evident he wasn't serious
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Rock Defender [54]
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So WVa wanted to join
May 11, 2012, 8:17 PM
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The ACC, but couldn't get in due to academics. They had to settle for the big XII. Clearly, it would be wise for us to voluntarily leave the best academic conference and follow them to join the big XII.
The bottom line is that perception is reality. Clemson is a good school, and I am proud of my degree. That is why I favor staying in the ACC.
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Re: So WVa wanted to join
May 11, 2012, 8:20 PM
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Being in the big 12 would in no way devalue a clemson education
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Legend [19202]
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I graduated from Clemson some time ago so perhaps you can
May 11, 2012, 8:28 PM
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help me with your view of things which differ from mine.
Are there not academic associations that our school belongs to that differ sharply in membership from the members in our sport conference?
If so, then Clemson can continue to belong to the top academic associations and leave the current sports conference with no stain to anyone's degree or the perception of our school. Afterall, trying to project an elitist stance like UNCheat and Virginia is so beneath the vision of Thomas Green Clemson IMHO.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Did you just miss what everyone just said?***
May 11, 2012, 8:29 PM
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You went to Clemson. Use logic.
There's no logical reason why being in the ACC makes your degree more prestigious. Clemson stands on its own as a fine institution. Saying otherwise is misguided at best.
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Rock Defender [54]
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No, I didn't miss it, I just disagree***
May 11, 2012, 10:01 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Conference affiliation only has to do with academic
May 11, 2012, 8:29 PM
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standards for athletes, not the entire student body. Just ask FSU who is ranked outside the top-40, but is still in the ACC. If we left the ACC for the Big XII we would have to adopt their academic standards for athletes, but thats only a minimum requirement. We could keep the exact standards we have now and still have a great university. Moving to a conference with more money would actually help academics bc more money would be brought in. And yes, academics makes money off of athletics bc of the tax that the school puts on the Ath Dept.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Wow. Do you think it helps FSU to be in the ACC academically
May 11, 2012, 9:58 PM
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Nah, that's crazy. I'm sure they are still getting the same caliber of student as they would otherwise. Perhaps that was a twain they joined the ACC.
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Re: I went to school at clemson
May 11, 2012, 8:18 PM
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The most ignorant thing I have read on here today
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That's ridculous***
May 11, 2012, 8:24 PM
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Re: I went to school at clemson
May 11, 2012, 9:06 PM
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curious.why would athletic conference affliation affect academic standing,and isn't your future law degree more important than your undergraduate degree?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Ok, so let's assume
May 11, 2012, 9:20 PM
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Thar y'all are all correct: being in the ACC does not enhance the academic perception of Clemson (a notion that I deny). Does becoming affiliated with the big XII enhance our perception? And for those who state that athletic conference has nothing to do with academic perception, you and I will have to agree to disagree. The ivy league is an athletic conference. The MEAC is also one.
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Re: Ok, so let's assume
May 11, 2012, 9:27 PM
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I disagree with you, but I would rather be apart of a good football and athletic conference then a so called academic conference. The big 12 has some schools with good academic reputations.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Who? Texas ...
May 11, 2012, 9:33 PM
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You would learn to hate them just as you do UNC. Trust me, I hate the NC schools athletically with a passion. But I cannot deny that they are good schools, and everyone who promotes defection is overlooking the fact that we would still be an outsider.
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Re: Who? Texas ...
May 11, 2012, 9:36 PM
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well yea if we were going by ourself...but the only way it works is to get several schools from the east. Big 12 is gonna get more schools from the east to help wvu out
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Rock Defender [54]
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My point exactly ...
May 11, 2012, 9:42 PM
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Do we want to place ourselves academically and otherwise with WVa? Really? I have all of my "teeff." AThomas? No you probably have moved on to dentures.
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Re: My point exactly ...
May 11, 2012, 9:48 PM
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WVU bein in an athletic conference with us wont change our academic qaulity...Like someone stated in this thread it only has an effect on athletes not the regular students
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lawtiger . . . just to let you know I still have all my
May 11, 2012, 11:19 PM
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"teeff." I didn't want you to worry on that point.
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Re: lawtiger . . . just to let you know I still have all my
May 11, 2012, 11:31 PM
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I think he signed off for the night...I bet he is holding his degree right now, rocking back and forth telling it everything is going to be okay.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I respectfully disagree.***
May 11, 2012, 9:50 PM
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Re: I went to school at clemson
May 11, 2012, 10:08 PM
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So did I. I don't remember anybody asking me in a job interview about the schools Clemson plays in sports.
Think of it this way. If the academics in a sports conference meant anything, why isn't Florida and Georgia trying to switch from the worst conference academically to the best?
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Rock Defender [54]
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SEC is not the worst, but clearly not the best ...
May 11, 2012, 10:14 PM
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Your analogy is ridiculous. Again, perception is reality.
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Re: SEC is not the worst, but clearly not the best ...
May 11, 2012, 10:18 PM
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Do you honestly think when regular students are looking for a college they actually choose based on what conference they are affiliated with
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Re: I went to school at clemson
May 11, 2012, 10:20 PM
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This has to be one of the dumbest arguements I have seen lately. In no way does being in a athletic conference makes a degree less valueable. I have never seen anyone be turned down for a job b/c they went to a school in the SEC, Big 12, Sunbelt, MAC, and other conferences. There are many people from those schools that has been successful in education, business, military, etc. I'm heading into my senior year at OU and when I earn my degree, I will be proud of it no matter what. I am confident that if I ever pursue a career outside of the military, my degree will help me achieve whatever goals I set for myself.
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I would be willing to bet
May 11, 2012, 10:24 PM
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that more kids attend schools based on athletic prowess other than academics
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Re: I would be willing to bet
May 11, 2012, 10:27 PM
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I agree.
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Your reasoning is faulty because when you got......
May 11, 2012, 10:21 PM
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your Clemson degree Clemson was in the ACC. If we move to another conference now that will have no bearing on the value of your actual degree.
I understand what you're saying, though, because if we do move to a conference that is not academically strong then future Clemson degrees may not be valued as much.
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Athletic Dir [864]
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Grad from acc
May 11, 2012, 10:30 PM
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What does it matter.....employers look at school not conference...dont get it...explain please
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Wrench
May 11, 2012, 10:33 PM
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As I have repeatedly stated, the ivy league is an athletic conference. No crap, people don't ask you what conference your school was in at a freaking job interview! If they are, you obviously went to the wrong school. The folks who think that Clemsons academic reputation is not affected at least in part by athletic conference are just Again, in DENIAL.
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Re: Wrench
May 11, 2012, 10:41 PM
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well then please explain
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Re: Wrench
May 11, 2012, 10:44 PM
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How is it affected? I mean...is Clemson going to lower their admission standards? Are they going to drop GPA standards on some majors? Is Clemson going to drop in the rankings is US NEWS and the Princeton Review? So, I got a couple of family members in high school and they may want to go to Clemson...do I need to tell them that if Clemson joins the Big 12 they need to find another school?
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Hey Wrench, aren't you
May 12, 2012, 12:03 AM
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the Gamecock fan who's taking classes online with Oklahoma on the GI bill (and often visiting a Clemson board)? You're a versatile guy and maybe a wannabe Clemson fan. Go ahead and make the switch full fledged "all in" and we'll support you; thanks for your military service.
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Re: Hey Wrench, aren't you
May 12, 2012, 8:54 AM
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Yes thats me
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Depends on what it is in and how long ago you got it.
May 11, 2012, 10:35 PM
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Having spent 6 months doing technical recruiting for a Fortune 500 company an English degree from anywhere is not much good if you want a telecom or computer type job. I had a resume from a sales person at BellSouth, photo attached, she had been a Memphis State Pom Pon girl when they were national champions (and yes she was hot). Did she get an interview, no. Why, we weren't looking for telecom sales people. After you are out of school 5 years it is more important what you have done than where you went to school. I also had a guy with a Masters in Computer Science that wrote a 50+ page technical proposal about a project. When I asked him why we should do the project, his reply amounted to "because we can." When I explained to him we only did things that saved the company money, or improved service to the customer, he was astonished. No one had ever told him that before. After you get hired it is what you do, not where you went to school.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Fightigers, you do not think
May 11, 2012, 10:38 PM
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The school's reputation has anything to do with it's affiliation with other schools? Do you want Clemson to be affiliated with WVa? What about ole miss or miss state?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Fightigers, you do not think
May 11, 2012, 10:40 PM
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The school's reputation has anything to do with it's affiliation with other schools? Do you want Clemson to be affiliated with WVa? What about ole miss or miss state?
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Legend [19202]
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Yale? Harvard?
May 11, 2012, 11:28 PM
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I just don't get the "wine and cheese" attitude which is so against the small Republician farmer attitude of Jefferson--and does not match Clemson's founder who wanted to create "a high seminary of learning in which the graduate of the common schools can commence, pursue and finish the course of studies terminating in thorough theoretic and practical instruction.”
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Re: I went to school at clemson
May 11, 2012, 11:05 PM
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As someone who recruited college campuses for my company, I can promise you conference affiliation is not even on the radar of making anyone's degree more or less valuable.
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Excuse Me, I
May 12, 2012, 12:58 AM
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also have a degree from Clemson. It's value has been great but it had zero to do with what athletic conference the university is in. I went to the wall and asked my degree, "What conference are we in?" It didn't even bother to answer.
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