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Re: Letter from Freedom from Religon Foundation to Clemson
Apr 15, 2014, 8:51 PM
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Where's the Freedom from Haters of Religion Foundation when you need them to get your back?!?
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Should've thought about Jay Sekulow, he does good work***
Apr 15, 2014, 9:04 PM
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Re: Should've thought about Jay Sekulow, he does good work***
Apr 15, 2014, 9:39 PM
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Jay Sekulow, before you send me another email asking for a donation to the ACLJ to fight for some cause please consider the following....
1. You say that the IRS is supposed to be non-partisan, but you are wrong. The IRS is supposed to be NON-EXISTENT. According to the US Constitution, only a sales tax is permitted to be levied against the American people unless congress has declared total war on a nation. OIF/OEF was not a war because war was never officially declared. So until you can use my donation to defend the US Constitution, I will spend my money on more ammo, food, fuel, and water because your contributions to the cause have done nothing to eliminate a two party political system.
2. Instead of rallying in the Halls of Criminals ehem, I meant Congress. Please use our money to launch investigations to expose the truth about the motives of our government. This is true heroism in our national leadership stage. Every elected official is out for some level of personal gain.
3. Use my money to impeach Harry Reid and have his son indicted on felony charges of conspiracy to commit fraud and violating the civil liberties of the Agricultural Protection Agency.
4. The United States has the most incarcerated citizens on the planet. Please use our donations to free inmates that have not committed a violent or sexual crime against anyone. Many of our housed inmates are minorities and are only guilty of petty crimes that involve no victim, but they serving extended sentences behind bars. This creates further criminal activity once they are released because they are forced to continue living in crime due to a lack of employment eligibility. I am tired of not only making donations to lost causes, but I am tired of supporting privatized prisons on my illegal tax dollars.
5. While the 1st and 2nd Amendments are the backbone of the US Constitution I cannot help but to notice that both political parties are in gross violation of the 4th,5th, and 8th Amendment of the American people. If this type of behavior continues from Congress on either side of the isle then they will become an enemy of my nation. Please do not let it come down to this. My rights and the rights of my fellow citizens are more important than their seat of office. They must remember that they are servants to the US People... Highly paid servants at that.
6. While I commend the military service of all of my fellow brothers and sisters in arms, I have to ask one favor... Please stop allowing votes for illegal wars to be voted upon on the House and Senate floors. If a nation is directly threatening the safety and freedom of the United States then our actions are cut and dry. No armed conflict is worth it in the end. Stop killing our innocent men and women who are fighting in ignorance so that a select few can become wealthy enough to satisfy their greed. Also, we need to be more careful in selecting Top Level Generals because let's face it, General Mattis would have made a much better Commanding General than General Amos. I feel as if the entire branch of service needs to elect their leader. Also, an elected Commandant should only be allowed to serve a 2-4 year term.
7. Please expose the truth about Benghazi because Americans were killed by extremist cowards that still have yet to be identified or brought to justice.
Once you have met my criteria for this then I will consider making a financial contribution to your cause.
Sincerely,
Travis Lee Hamrick
This was an actual letter that I sent to Jay Sekulow just today... I'm tired of avoiding the real issues of the United States.
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110%er [5241]
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That sounds like hate speech.
Apr 15, 2014, 8:55 PM
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I'll just have to pray for those folks.
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Re: That sounds like hate speech.
Apr 15, 2014, 9:06 PM
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I worry about a guy named suckulow!
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The morons cannot even provide a letter free of grammatical
Apr 15, 2014, 9:12 PM
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errors.
Complete embarrassment of an organization, I am saddened our University has to address these pathetic losers who only care more about themselves than those they're "protecting".
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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So these people who don't believe in anything
Apr 15, 2014, 9:26 PM
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Are afraid that some poor non-religious kid will hear about loving your neighbor as yourself, respecting humanity then become religious start eating their children and destroying society as we know it.
Am I right.
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Oculus Spirit [81925]
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I love the statements that non-Christians will feel like
Apr 15, 2014, 9:27 PM
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outcasts...
Yea, because that's what Christianity values, is outcasting the non-believers...
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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Re: I love the statements that non-Christians will feel like
Apr 15, 2014, 9:30 PM
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Hey bro you coming to the Bible thing
No man I'm a Buddhist
Ok, then see you tonight then.
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Re: I love the statements that non-Christians will feel like
Apr 15, 2014, 11:40 PM
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What authority does this group have and what right do they have to compel compliance? They are not a court or a State or Federal agency. I would not give them the courtesy of an answer. Let them pound sand.
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Sadly
Apr 15, 2014, 9:32 PM
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A large segment of Christians have behaved that way in the past. There is, again sadly, an attitude of "us vs them" that is cultivated among a good number of Christians I've run across in my life. I'm a believer, and moreover a believer that Faith is meant to be lived and shared, but NEVER forced. We (and by we I mean the church universal) have, at times, forgotten that last (but vital) part.
All of that said, though, I do not see anything in the behavior of this staff to believe they have crossed that line.
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As a (religious) non-Christian, my 2 cents:
Apr 16, 2014, 7:03 AM
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I have been a member of a not-well-known minority religion for my entire life. I have fairly thick skin when dealing with this issue. I can state from experience that being a non-Christian in a room when Christian activities are occurring can make one feel like an outcast if it's presented in a certain way. Especially when it becomes completely ingrained in the daily culture of an organization. I'd have to actually participate/observe the team's activities for a week or so before passing judgment for myself on whether Dabo's creating a culture that is hostile or uncomfortable to non-Christians. However there have been interviews with players who don't adhere to Dabo's religious mold that have stated, on the record, that sometimes they felt sidelined (though never discriminated against). So there is some anecdotal evidence out there.
All that being said, I do not agree with this organization's demands to the university and athletic program. In my opinion, Dabo and his staff are doing things the right way. They are producing quality athletes and quality individuals. Dabo has stated many times, forcefully in some occasions, that he does not care what a person is or isn't--Christian, non-Christian, straight, gay, whatever--as long as they can play football AND maintain a high moral character. It is his coaching philosophy that he cannot run a program that lacks strong ethics, and I agree with that philosophy.
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Re: So these people who don't believe in anything
Apr 15, 2014, 10:56 PM
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I am a Christian...but I don't believe kindness, respect, and morality are exclusive to Christianity...even atheists can be very good people.
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Also completely pathetic they FOIA and sifted through all of
Apr 15, 2014, 9:14 PM
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the e-mails of Dabo, Trapp, & others.
Just burning lawyer dollars...
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Re: Letter from Freedom from Religon Foundation to Clemson
Apr 15, 2014, 9:15 PM
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So, if I understand the position.?
It is wrong (illegal) to expose a non-religious person to religion. But it is mandated by law that religious people must live as if there is no religion.
This position explicitly proselytizes the religious person to abandon his religion. Because, after all, the only way to be lawful is to keep your religious beliefs to yourself so that the non-religious can dominate and shape society to be void of religion.
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A logical reverse argument... +1.***
Apr 15, 2014, 9:18 PM
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"Freedom from Religon" is fictitious idealistic propaganda
Apr 15, 2014, 9:18 PM
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We do, however, have "Freedom OF Religion" as a protected right.
Just wanted to throw that out there...
HTH that helps
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"...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Apr 15, 2014, 9:24 PM
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
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Re: "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
Apr 15, 2014, 9:37 PM
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They forgot the rest of that..... Oh yeah, Oops. DERP DERP DERP!!
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Re: Letter from Freedom from Religon Foundation to Clemson
Apr 15, 2014, 9:35 PM
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Freedom From Religion Foundation,
YOU STINK!!!! Mind your own business in Wiscaaaanson and stay the F*** out of our business.
Sincerely,
The entire Clemson Fan base and Student body
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Deer freedom from religion foundation
Apr 15, 2014, 9:35 PM
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Drop dead and go to where ever it is you go
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"Coaches should be aware of the tremendous influence they
Apr 15, 2014, 9:54 PM
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have on their athletes".
So it would seem that the Freedom from Religion Foundation would prefer a coach that:
Has a wreck on his motorcycle with a female athletic department employee with whom he is having an affair, then lie about it afterward, or Is charged with urinating on a public street in the downtown area of a fairly large city while drunk, or Embarrasses his university by taping his coaches show after having a few too many
OK I get it.
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I wonder if these morons have the balls to
Apr 15, 2014, 10:33 PM
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ask Muslim organizations to cease and desist from trying to get the courts to accept Sharia Law.
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Re: Letter from Freedom from Religon Foundation to Clemson
Apr 15, 2014, 10:54 PM
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As agenda driven as I think they are....they are also (I believe) correct to a significant degree. Even if we don't like what they have to say doesn't make them wrong.
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Re: Letter from Freedom from Religon Foundation to Clemson
Apr 15, 2014, 11:08 PM
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Yeah, I'm not sure if it's reasonable to dismiss the claims just because you don't agree with the mission of the organization. Heck, the ACLU is one of the most unpopular organizations in existence, but they do win their fair share of cases...
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is this what's referred to as a "Prayer Hater" by God's gang
Apr 15, 2014, 11:17 PM
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i say pray if ya want, don't if ya don't want & shouldn't be forced to.
prey if ya want, but you may face the consequences. you'll probably be prey in prison, but then who do you pray to?
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Based on the contents of the letter,...
Apr 16, 2014, 7:23 AM
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...it seems that Clemson University responded to this group at some point with information regarding the goings on within Clemson University. Would it be wrong to respond with a letter requesting them to F U C K O F F with extreme prejudice? I'm not a religious person, but religion really has no bearing on what they're trying to do. People need to stop putting up with this kind of attack and fire back with aggression of their own. I see it as beat the bully's ###, and he'll leave you alone.
GO TIGERS!!!!!
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