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Here's a list of lies many rubes actually believed
Dec 4, 2022, 8:46 AM
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- Cade isn't ready
ACCCG MVP. Clearly a lie. He showed the same leadership ability and efficiency we saw last night when he got in during the GT game.
- DJ is our best QB
Nope, he can't run the offense or make reads during the play. Flashes of good passing but most of the time telegraphs the throw and releases late.
- The team just needed a Spark
No, they need a QB who understands the offense and doesn't need to be coddled.
- Even Steph Curry has a bad day
No, DJ just can't run the offense, and against inferior teams Streeter was able to baby-step him through it with a limited playbook so the stats didn't really tell the full story.
- We see in practice every day that DJ is the guy
Cade only repped with the 2s, so he didn't get a chance in practice. This is inexcusable after what happened with Syracuse.
I'm drawing a blank now because that Steph Curry one is such blatant BS. Feel free to add your favorites as well!
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Re: Here's a list of lies many rubes actually believed
Dec 4, 2022, 8:48 AM
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Could you post your coaching resume’? And maybe how you know all of these things over the people who actually see the players every single day?
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So you're saying DJ is better than Cade?***
Dec 4, 2022, 8:50 AM
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Re: So you're saying DJ is better than Cade?***
Dec 4, 2022, 8:55 AM
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No one really cares what you think. Give it a rest.
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Re: Here's a list of lies many rubes actually believed
Dec 4, 2022, 8:56 AM
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That's the dumbest argument ever. It implies coaches are perfect simply because they're coaches. Let me ask you something, does Mark Richt and every other former coach not know football when they disagreed with Dabo starting DJ?
That's an argument from authority, basically saying Dabo can't be wrong because we are coaches. After last night if you still can't understand what we've been saying for weeks, YOU don't understand football. QBs can either play fundamental football or they can't. Cade can, DJ can't. Reading the field, avoiding pressure, being assertive at the line of scrimmage, being decisive, ball placement......it isn't even close. A freshmen just confirmed that a guy that started 27 games or whatever hasn't developed enough to be close to where Cade is right now.
You're wrong, Dabo is wrong, Streeter is wrong. Admit it like a man.
I've had to do that so many times in the past and that's ok. We don't hit on them all. I was all in on DJ and at some point I had to admit it.
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exactly.***
Dec 4, 2022, 8:58 AM
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Re: Here's a list of lies many rubes actually believed
Dec 5, 2022, 9:09 AM
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In 2018 Kelly Bryant played 4 games before Trevor was named the starter. Why do you think Dabo waited 4 games? Do you think maybe Trevor wasn't ready to start in his opinion? Do you think the talking heads on TV actually know the information Dabo has seeing them play every day?
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You are part of the problem.
Dec 4, 2022, 10:20 AM
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You seem to believe that our football coaches are always right and fans can’t possibly know anything.
While coaches obviously have more football knowledge than fans do, and surely understand the details fans don’t, that doesn’t mean that fans can’t see what’s working or offer suggestions or critiques.
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No JK - you are the problem!
Dec 5, 2022, 12:12 PM
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What an A S S you are.
Simply jealous of the football team.
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11/30/21 against Phoenix
Dec 4, 2022, 8:54 AM
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4 of 21 from the field
3 of 14 from 3
It’s not hard to check facts before you spew
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Re: Here's a list of lies many rubes actually believed
Dec 4, 2022, 8:58 AM
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The thing that bothers me the most is that in a year or two, everyone will say "DJ wasn't thar good but he was better than Cade and Cade wasn't ready. Remember the pick he threw against ND?"
In reality, he got thrown in a terrible situation and he was the better QB even then. But people won't remember it that way.
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I agree, that was atrocious, especially after Cade bailed
Dec 4, 2022, 9:00 AM
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the coaches out with Syracuse. We had 2 weeks to get ready for ND and they STILL didn't let him rep with the 1s, then DJ goes out and takes a dump all over the field and they STILL don't put Cade in until it's too late. Then we're on our own 7 or something and they call a naked bootleg? Cade makes a mistake then he's benched for the rest of the game, meanwhile next play DJ throws a pick 6. None of it makes any sort of logical sense.
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Re: I agree, that was atrocious, especially after Cade bailed
Dec 4, 2022, 10:05 AM
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Totally agree. Also, people like to look at Cades INT superficially, but when you understand he was thrown in the game to be a spark, he had a naked bootleg with a guy about to sack him in the endzone for a safety, he can't throw it away either because it's a safety, he's gotta force a throw. Across your body is a hard throw to make. He was literally put in maybe the worst situation you can think of and was off by a few feet and that's all anyone remembers. Truth be told, that's a safety with DJ in the same situation because he's sacked before he even gets a chance to throw it.
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Absolutely right. I've also heard "he only handed it off
Dec 4, 2022, 10:16 AM
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in the Syracuse game"
Those people don't have a single clue how our offense works, lol.
Knowing when to hand the ball off and when to not hand the ball off was one of DJ's biggest problems!
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“People outside the program don’t have a freaking clue”
Dec 4, 2022, 9:00 AM
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I knew…everybody with a brain knew. Dabo, just say you fkd up, and we can all move on; but doubling down on stupid is a a bad look.
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Ah yea, that's a good one too!***
Dec 4, 2022, 9:01 AM
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DJ doesn't catch the ball, play safety, or return kicks
Dec 4, 2022, 9:05 AM
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Neither does Cade but somehow magically we won the game
Cade made the right decisions and delivered the ball on time. The WRs sure looked a lot better didn't they? Amazing how that works.
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Obvious Cade is the better QB, but
Dec 4, 2022, 9:13 AM
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you have to take into account roster management. If you benched DJ midseason, there’s a chance he hits the portal. Then you have a true freshman QB and Hunter Johnson as your back up. Kade gets one hit and goes down injured and we’re playing Hunter Johnson. The coaches know this, and they gave DJ a very very long leash. Did it cost us the South Carolina game? Yes it did, and that pisses me off, but I understand why they did it. One thing I would change in the coaching decisions, was to put Kade in the fourth quarter of the South Carolina game. Not making that one move cost us a spot in the playoff
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That's an excuse. If Cade was named starter after Syracuse
Dec 4, 2022, 9:18 AM
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we would be 13-0 right now. You gotta take risks to get rewards.
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Look, if you really want to get into the weeds on that
Dec 4, 2022, 10:19 AM
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aspect, Hunter Johnson was the #1 QB prospect in the country in 2017. He was a pure pocket passer and yet we recruited him for our RPO offense, and we never, ever could or would adjust our offense to fit his strengths.
We can't just keep whistling through the graveyard about how we bat under .500 on top QB prospects. If we had an offensive coordinator who was nimble enough to game plan around HJ's strengths, we might not have been stuck with no good options last year, with quite possibly the best defense in our history squandered terribly.
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But wait! The dominoes would've fallen different....
Dec 4, 2022, 10:42 AM
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CK2 saves us in the USC game, Dabs goes on another "he sparked us, but hey, we won the game" defense, DJ plays much more in the UNC game because of less frustration by still winning the USC game, we BARELY win again, go to the playoff, then get embarrassed.
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Re: Obvious Cade is the better QB, but
Dec 5, 2022, 12:29 PM
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I think it is simpler.
Cade at this point has more upside.
He was not ready to start the year.
The coaches play the players who give Clemson the best shot at winning.
Had Cade started the season - after watching some of his decisions thru the year - we would have lost more games.
If Dabo would have sacrificed the season - ok. Instead, Clemson won 11 games, won the ACC. Ouch, what poor decision that was.
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Some people just can’t…
Dec 4, 2022, 10:28 AM
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But, there is NO disputing that each statement was made…MULTIPLE TIMES, and it is on tape.
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Pretty crazy when you think about it.***
Dec 5, 2022, 9:03 AM
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New one: "UNC didn't prepare for Cade"
Dec 4, 2022, 10:29 AM
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lol how dumb. Same offense, better execution.
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Sad, Bitter Little Man....You Musta Dug Thru Your Troll Cave
Dec 5, 2022, 9:07 AM
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For 30 minutes to post this sad whimper. So you think Dabo just managed things the way he did because he's stupid or unsuccessful. We fans only get to see part of the puzzle and we look at it with confirmation bias that leads us to make facts out of assumptions.
Let it go.
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Way to address 0 of the points. Good job!***
Dec 5, 2022, 12:08 PM
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I'm still glad we have the coach we have so we can be
Dec 5, 2022, 9:16 AM
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ticked off because we missed the CPF by 2 points.
I don't know what went on with the DJ/Cade thing - and neither do you. Dabo has more than earned the leeway to make mistakes.
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It is important to criticize dishonesty. That doesn't mean
Dec 5, 2022, 12:10 PM
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"fire him!" - It just means we "outsiders" should hold his feet to the fire when he obviously lies. This will help him correct his mistakes faster.
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Lies = coach speak - all coaches have to do that. There is a
Dec 5, 2022, 12:26 PM
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reason Dabo stuck with DJ (we don't know what it is - but it is unlikely to be nefarious). It is also unlikely to be that something that he could/should say publicly.
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Re: Here's a list of lies many rubes actually believed
Dec 5, 2022, 12:19 PM
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DJ sucks. We may never know the real reason Dabo played him.
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This is my favorite one.
Dec 5, 2022, 12:20 PM
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"It's like you've taken Deshaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence and you've got to some lab somewhere and somehow you've birthed DJ Uiagalelei." - Dabo
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-football/news/swinney-says-dj-uiagalelei-can-make-trevor-lawrence-look-normal-throwing-37533
The “no friggin clue” one is so bad that, as far as I can recall, Dabo is now the second coach to speak poorly of Clemson fans. The only other one was Ken Hatfield, who accused fans of being disloyal.
I never in all my years following Clemson heard Tommy Bowden, Tommy West, Danny Ford, or Charley Pell say a single negative or condescending word about Clemson fans. But Dabo and Hatfield have their own club in this regard.
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Re: This is my favorite one.
Dec 5, 2022, 12:23 PM
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That’s incredible. You win the thread, lmao.
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Re: Here's a list of lies many rubes actually believed
Dec 5, 2022, 12:25 PM
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Ignorant statements.
For this to hold water - which it does not.
You would have to believe that Dabo and the coaches sabotaged the season. Tell us why.
They knowingly did not play someone really ready.
Absolute horse crap.
Coaching staff knows what they are doing. Keyboard wanna be coaches. Coaches made the decision when they felt like Cade gave Clemson the best chance of winning. Simple as that.
I was more than pleased with Cade. But jeez, it was against UNC after an entire year of him getting practice and working on his game.
Unc gave up 60 to app state.
Heck, unc gave up massive points and yards to everybody.
So, while you are making things up, factor in unc, factor in a seasons worth of practice before you spread crud.
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Naked honesty is confrontational to some on Tnet
Dec 5, 2022, 12:30 PM
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CharlestonTom® ... You have been in the forefront of opining that Cade Klubnik would be ready and much more effective at the QB position than DJ. You were and are 100% right, and I have been 100% on the same page all season.
Whether due to team chemistry or other mysterious contingencies, Dabo was unwilling to pull the plug on DJ until the championship game and team performance suffered. I was in Charlotte Sat night and saw the Clemson fan base collectively exhale and give Cade a standing ovation just for entering the game. Then Cade, as talented or not, played as well as DW4 or TL16 ever did in an ACCCG.
A lot to look forward to with Tiger Football, but this catharsis of the those correctly forecasting Cade's abilities and underlining their correctness to the so many who are on record as demeaning and doubting his abilities is part of the process.
Looking forward to most Tiger factions getting back on the same page and the Tigers bashing Tennessee.
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Re: Here's a list of lies many rubes actually believed
Dec 5, 2022, 12:36 PM
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My question is: What good for the fans, program and players is this post? What change will happen because of this post? Will it encourage more coaching changes? Does it make you feel better to post such? No need to argue. Just asking.
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Fans, sports writers, and donors need to hold coaches to
Dec 5, 2022, 12:52 PM
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account. If they did, coaches would have to honestly evaluate their decisions rather than just kicking the can down the line, so we would make corrections faster. That's what it is all about.
I didn't like the Dabo hire and everyone reminds me of that constantly, but I'm also the first one to say he's earned his right to be the coach permanently until he decides to move on. That doesn't mean he is above criticism, and this season is a GREAT EXAMPLE of what happens when someone is treated as if they are above criticism.
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