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Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
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Oct 8, 2023, 11:19 AM
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believe Riley would come to CU without an understanding he would get to call his own plays.
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he wouldnt
Oct 8, 2023, 11:21 AM
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That’s why it makes no sense the people that blame Dabo for calling plays. He wouldn’t have came and kept the assistant coaches either if he didn’t think they were good. If Dabo wanted Riley and he said I have to hire my own offensive staff Dabo would have given in or Riley would have stayed put.
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Riley would know nothing about Dabo's assts
Oct 8, 2023, 5:19 PM
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That’s why it makes no sense the people that blame Dabo for calling plays. He wouldn’t have came and kept the assistant coaches either if he didn’t think they were good. If Dabo wanted Riley and he said I have to hire my own offensive staff Dabo would have given in or Riley would have stayed put.
as he took the job two days after Dabo offered -- a few days after the natl championship.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
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Oct 8, 2023, 11:22 AM
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He's not meddling any more than the typical head coach.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
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Oct 8, 2023, 11:22 AM
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All I know is every time we seem to suck on offense, there are plenty of iso cams on Dabo holding a Waffle House menu talking into the headset.
Dabo isn’t confident enough to let his coaches coach.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
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Oct 8, 2023, 11:28 AM
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Yeah I'm sure that's it. I can't be that we have an inconsistent offensive line and talent drop off at receiver.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:39 PM
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We will never know what is being said in the headset. It’s either:
1) Dabo calling plays (which as OP says, make zero sense for Riley to come if that’s what is happening)
2) Dabo adding input (which is what all HCs do, but Dabo has expressed play calls are collaborative)
3) Dabo being on a separate channel talking to other offensive coaches about future plays and schemes
Option 1 is the most outlandish and nonsensical in multiple areas. Option 2 is most likely. Option 3 probably happens on occasion.
He’s just as involved on defense too, he just doesn’t have a play sheet.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
Oct 8, 2023, 2:07 PM
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Yeah he is not involved with the defense much at all
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
Oct 8, 2023, 12:09 PM
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Blaming play calling is easy to do but execution is the issue. If the athletes don't make the plays or don't execute them as drawn up, it does not matter what you call. These kids need more practice and more film room study. Also a few Nuke Hopkins's would help.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
Oct 8, 2023, 1:43 PM
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Execution is a HUGE problem right now—even more than playcalling. Cade had Brown on a wide open slant route and instead threw it in the dirt. Same play later in the game, he overthrows Greene. Fumbling handoffs. OL missing blocks. Not being able to make field goals.
Execution is the biggest factor in why we have 2 losses. Don’t fumble the ball against Duke—we win the game. Don’t fumble the ball against FSU—we win the game. There will always be plays that get smacked with the “bad play call” label, but poor execution on great play calls ends in a bad play.
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Put Wes in the booth.
Oct 8, 2023, 12:19 PM
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Let Riley earn his money.
Stop wasting first downs.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
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Oct 8, 2023, 12:33 PM
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I do think this is Riley’s offense. We don’t see the staples of the old Clemson offense like lots of presnap shifts and motion., window dressings of the Morris offense, etc. We don’t see fly sweeps or touch passes to Tyler Brown. I’d love to see those with Brown. He’s a playmaker and I think it would open up the run lanes more. We also aren’t seeing back shoulder throws to the WR’s. That’s a staple from the Jeff Scott version of the Clemson offense. We don’t even try those anymore. We also see way less designed QB runs. Morris and the Scott and Elliott all featured the QB counters A LOT. We do see an occasional QB draw but much less QB runs. There’s just lots of evidence this is Riley’s offense.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
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Oct 8, 2023, 12:52 PM
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If this is Riley's offense, then he is a pee poor OC, and not worth the money he is being given.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
Oct 8, 2023, 1:00 PM
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This is Riley’s Ground Raid, but it sure looks way too much like the plays Streeter was calling last season. Not in a good way either.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:02 PM
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I have to assume it is Riley’s offense when so many elements of what we’ve seen under Chad Morris, Jeff Scott, Tony Elliott, and Streeter are now missing. I mean the offense changed under the above named OC’s, but elements I mentioned were present in all of those, but are totally missing now.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:11 PM
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You are correct, this is Riley’s show. If it was the same old Clemson offense designed qb run would be a staple especially in the big games or games we’re struggling (Duke/Wake). I’d like to see a counter play for Cade every now and then. His speeds elite but he doesn’t have the physicality of past qb’s yet. I think we’re a team that’s growing but Walker Parks injury plus inconsistency at wr plague us. We must hang on to our two wr recruits!
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Exactly. Obviously its not the same offense.
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:36 PM
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It’s bizarre how some “fans” think they’re watching the same thing.
We were clearly improving on offense but yesterday we took a couple steps back. So suddenly we have some yahoos jumping on the “meddling” train again?
Fans are funny.
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It's hard for DA's to understand.
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:04 PM
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Dabo's the BOSS. It's HIS team and will be run HIS way, not the way an assistants wants and most definitely , not the way some FA Message Boarder thinks it should be . It's hard, but you guys really don't matter in the big scheme of things
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What do you mean, it looks?
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:34 PM
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Riley call plays, period. Call Dabo’s show tomorrow and ease you mind.
These silly ghost hunts are ridiculous. We had a bad day yesterday and slid from 21st in offense to 35th.
When Riley went to TCU he had a 3 yr QB ready in waiting. They started out slow but the experienced and talented QB took time to learn the system.
Klubnick is not a ready made Lawrence or Watson. He’s extremely talented, but he’s obviously more of a traditional young QB who needs time to learn, experience, and develop. He’s been doing that every week, and yesterday he took a down turn. He wasn’t seeing the field well, and again was responsible for a turnover when he pulled the ball from Shipleys stomach. Totally on Cade. He’s making some late decisions on that mesh, and yesterday’s was his 2nd at-fault turnover in exactly the same manner. He had a bad day visually and this was noticed from the sidelines and stands.
Cade is developing QB but he went backwards yesterday. It’s not like the offense has been bad and it’s been improving.
Did you go to the game yesterday? They were the same plays (in a an obviously new offense) and we didn’t execute well.
So that doesn’t mean Dabo is “meddling” simply because the offense didn’t continue its upward trend yesterday.
This whole “meddling” nonsense just keeps coming up, going back to the Elliott era. You know, the era where we made 6 of 8 playoffs, played for 4 national championships, and won two. While under Elliott, the offense was the best Clemson ever had . By far. So was Dabo’s “meddling” the reason behind all that? Was his “meddling” what made us the 2nd best program of the playoff era?
If so, why is he no longer “meddling” well? Did Dabo lose his “meddling” touch?
Or has it been a horrible DJ era followed by a new coach, new system, and a young QB needing additional development?
Dabo, Elliot, and now Riley have all addressed this ridiculous “meddling” notion. All have adamantly denied that Dabo is calling plays. This has been corroborated by David Hood just recently in regards to Riley. It’s on this site somewhere.
Now, Dabo has an offensive background. When the offense is on the field, then he’s on the headset talking about it. As head coach, he reserves the right to add basic communication to his staff during the game. It’s no different for defensive guys like Smart and Saban. They’re defensive coaches and sure enough they have impact on that side of the ball. But that doesn’t mean they’re calling plays.
Dabo isn’t calling plays and he’s not the reason we had took a step backwards yesterday. Otherwise he gets the playcalling credit for the playoffs, national championship games, and national championships. Correct?
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Re: What do you mean, it looks?
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Oct 8, 2023, 1:41 PM
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Shipley said the exchange fumble was his fault.
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Yeah. Watch it tho. Cade held the ball too long and definitely pulled it from Shipleys gut.
Oct 8, 2023, 1:57 PM
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Same as the other one. Cade is undecided on the mesh and Shipley has to keep moving.
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The jumbo package back to back was Dabo
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Oct 8, 2023, 2:05 PM
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He’s admitted to that playcall in the past (using defensive guys to block on offense). Not sure outside of that.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
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Oct 8, 2023, 5:35 PM
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Everyone should do themselves a favor when you have time. Go to YOUTUBE and search: "TCU 2022 Season Highlights" and watch it. Touch passes to fleet wr's, speed sweeps, reverses, TE's in the middle of the field going North & South. Totally different offense that what we are seeing here at Clemson today. Blocking schemes are different, plays are different, play calling is completely different. Watch closely at the 'Down & Distance" which usually appears at the bottom of the screen. TCU last year was striking deep TD's from everywhere on the field at anytime on any down. They operated pedal to the metal, wide open and used the entire field on any down. Max Duggan was not as fast as Cade, does not throw as well, yet in Riley's offense made it to NYC last year. Folks this is not Riley's offense.......look at it on video. This is Dabo's offense. The same one we have seen for years.
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Re: Definitely looks like Dabo is meddling, but it's hard to
Oct 8, 2023, 5:47 PM
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I have to agree, something is different, these are not the same plays. look at Michigan or vs Oklahoma last year, ......some people will try to convince you it is 100% just because Cade is less ecperianced than Dugan but i don't buy it, even there running plays look smoother and better designed.
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