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Dear with Dignity/ End of Life Options
Feb 15, 2019, 4:32 PM
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Thought we needed a break from politics, so what are your thoughts on assisted end of life options being legal across all States?
My own personal choice would be that there were legal, humane options to end one’s life from legitimate medical issues. Seems kinda wrong to force people in to a situation of pain and suffering or accept medical intervention merely to keep you alive. Gotta say the older I get the more I would like to have a choice at the end. Just breathing with a pulse is not living and at some point one becomes a house payment for the medical establishment.
I understand that those that hold a strong religious view would be against it and that is fine for them to hold that opinion for themselves. I would suggest that you do not have the right to force others to bend to that opinion either.
Gotta say that if I end up totally disabled from a stroke, dementia or other illness I would choose to check out and leave my money to the kids than spend it on useless options of care that can never make me functional much less whole again.
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Re: Dear with Dignity/ End of Life Options
Feb 15, 2019, 4:33 PM
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Death with..... dang autocorrect. Plus a lack of proof reading tossed in .
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Heck no
Feb 15, 2019, 4:41 PM
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Your "option" is to kill yourself on your own. Nobody's keeping you from doing that.
Having a lower quality of life doesn't mean you've lost your dignity, and that assumption is one based on the lives of healthy people. Once you decide that some lives aren't worth living, you end up in a situation where subjective measures get used to decide what counts as a worthy life and what doesn't. You go from saying that you just want to avoid interminable physical suffering to avoiding all suffering. It's why many countries where "assisted suicide" is legal are allowing depressed people to get assistance in killing themselves. And when you mention killing yourself so your kids could save money, think of the pressure that people who feel like a burden to their loved ones might feel to commit suicide even in cases where their situation isn't terminal.
Ultimately, it's better to realize the dignity of all people, including disabled and dying people, than to amplify the message that only lives at or above a certain quality of living are worth living.
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Re: Heck no
Feb 15, 2019, 4:54 PM
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That is not an option and leaves some close to you to clean up the mess.Plus toss in being suspect in killing them to boot.
So following you line of thought to the end we should have free health care to include end of life/hospice so nobody is Forced to ante up to remain a meat sack?
Death is a part of life, we all will get to it eventually and as such we need better options at that time. I also said legitimate medical issues, not depression.
I never suggested it to be mandatory,forced or coerced but a choice one could freely make with their own life given the choice of ending it or ending up as a burden to family and definitely an outrageous expense.
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Re: Heck no
Feb 15, 2019, 5:00 PM
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Once again you would be free to make that choice for yourself. I fail to see how you should be able to make that choice for others though.
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Re: Dear with Dignity/ End of Life Options
Feb 15, 2019, 4:42 PM
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Every state should offer people the choice to die peacefully and with some dignity still intact. Those that object for religious reasons certainly don't have to take that route but personally, I don't want to be a financial drain on my family and/or lose the ability to think/move.
My current plan of eating junk and washing it down with lots of booze should prevent me from reaching that point, but just in case I would like the option.
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How are you defining "dignity"?
Feb 15, 2019, 4:46 PM
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Also, what's all this got to do with religion? Why would a "religious" person be for or against this? Why would a non-religious person be for this? Could it be because the view that "dignity" is ultimately just a certain quality of living is a materialistic way of thinking?
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Being incapacitated and crapping yourself isn't
Feb 15, 2019, 4:50 PM
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materialistic-Its just a terrible way to have live in end stages of many diseases.
We give our animals the dignity of not living like this by putting them down, but we aren't able to legally do it for ourselves in the US. Makes zero sense to me.
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Re: Being incapacitated and crapping yourself isn't
Feb 15, 2019, 4:56 PM
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I gotta give you a golf clap from here. If I am drooling oatmeal off my chin pooping in an adult pampers it is time to go.
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Re: How are you defining "dignity"?
Feb 15, 2019, 4:55 PM
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Dignity is subjective but I have watched more than one older relative degrade to the point they required someone changing their diapers regularly. Both hated us seeing them like that and just wanted to maintain some pride. They had lived full, long lives and should have been able to choose when to stop.
As for religion, I was more referring to those that believe it would be murder and/or suicide to use an assisted end of life program. They would of course not choose to use it but that shouldn't prevent it being an option for those that believe differently.
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Re: Dear with Dignity/ End of Life Options
Feb 15, 2019, 5:03 PM
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It has not killed me yet so I would not count on that diet as a plan. Every time I go to a Doctor and they ask for a list of all meds and it consists of 2 they ask That is it?
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Re: Dear with Dignity/ End of Life Options
Feb 15, 2019, 5:14 PM
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Nope. I watched both of my parents fight for their lives. 9 months apart. No way I would support it even after what I seen. I would welcome the pain to see another day, just as they did. They set the example for me. Fight until you literally go toes up. It’s the way to go the way through life and the way to end life. Live the best life, fight like heyall and die honorably.
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Re: Dear with Dignity/ End of Life Options
Feb 15, 2019, 5:18 PM
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That would still be your right to choose that path for yourself. It would take nothing from you but would enable those with a differing. Opinion a choice.
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I would urge all adults of all ages to have their
Feb 15, 2019, 5:25 PM
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end of life preferences in writing. You want a DNR, get it in writing. Need somebody to make decisions for you if you're incapacitated...appoint a family member as healthcare proxy, give them durable power of attorney. Have it all, every bit of it in writing.
I've been to the end of Alzheimer's with a family member, to the point that his body had no muscle reflex to swallow. Can't eat, can't drink, can't move, can't communicate...can't anything...just lay there and suffer. Despite having an explicit DNR to the contrary, so many docs and nurses were pushing a feeding tube on us. We were advocating for our family member to die the way he wanted to and had to fight the healthcare system to let him do it. It was maddening.
I'm in agreement with you, though, if I'm headed out I'd rather those around me grease the skids, not hit the brakes. The medical community is gonna have hard time with this though.
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Re: I would urge all adults of all ages to have their
Feb 15, 2019, 5:42 PM
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You are correct on this, mine are done and in the safe all drawn up by my Attorney. Tossed those in for free when he was doing wills.
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