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TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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Feb 21, 2024, 7:05 AM
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It's only been a few years, and we haven't fallen far.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
Feb 21, 2024, 12:43 PM
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My biggest question is, what was the reason that the Clemson FB program fell several steps down the Elite ladder. I'm pretty sure that I know the answer, but what do the Tiger die hard believe is the answer?
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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Feb 21, 2024, 5:08 PM
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(1) DJU struggled following years of generational talent for whatever reason. Pressure from fans, pressure from family (i.e. Big Dave), pressure from press? Who knows for sure? He didn’t handle it. The struggle was mostly mental, although he did not improve his skills whatsoever.
(2) We stuck with DJU too long without giving Cade some work in favorable situations. We threw him into the fire against Notre Dame, which had to damage his confidence early on. He had success against UNC in his first real game but only because they didn’t prepare for him. Last year he may as well have been a true freshman. Give him a break, and let’s see what he can do with a year’s experience and Garrett Riley’s offense before we pass judgment.
(3) Don’t underestimate the loss of Jeff Scott, and Brad, too. I have always thought Brad was a great offensive mind, and I guarantee he was a terrific recruiter.
(4) We lost several experienced coaches who had been with us for a long time. We replaced them with a friends & family plan consisting of coaches who needed to learn on the job. Not a good formula to win at an elite level. To Dabo’s credit, he has realized the problem and has taken bold steps to fix it.
(5) Predictable play calling due to (4). When my friends and I can sit in my living room and consistently call the next play perfectly, what do you think a professional defensive coordinator can do? We can consistently call the play, which player, what direction, etc. Hasn’t been hard to do.
(6) Key injuries especially to the receiving corps. Receiving corps has not been as elite as in our championship seasons, but what we have has not developed properly due to (2), (3), and (4).
(7) Failure to use the transfer portal has been an issue, maybe, but I think it ranks way down the list. I realize that may be a minority opinion on this board, but it’s mine.
(8) Complacency. Resting on our laurels and not having the fire we once had. Thinking that success breeds success without the same effort that got us to the mountaintop. Dabo has regained that fire, I believe.
I believe we have turned the corner and will move back to prominence. It’s hard to say if we arrive this year or not. We will know rather early, though. But give us a year or two more and I think we’ll be there.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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Feb 22, 2024, 2:13 PM
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Mostly spot on analysis.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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Feb 22, 2024, 4:19 PM
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I agree with your thoughts. I might move #6 up the list some - we have greatly missed elite talent at receiver spots. I also agree with your #7 - transfer portal is a little overrated. Most teams having large transfer numbers are still losing 4-5+ games.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
Feb 23, 2024, 8:31 AM
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Thanks. I wasn’t necessarily putting these thoughts in order of importance. But issues with the receiving corps and recruiting were definitely important. Great comment about the effect of Covid on recruiting.
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Recruiting Evaluations and COVID
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Feb 22, 2024, 11:46 AM
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I think we did a poor job at recruiting and evaluating in key spots of QB and WR. I think we also are experiencing a slower than expected development of our current players. Maybe we'll get there, or maybe recruiting/replacement is the answer.
Then COVID hit and we couldn't recruit like we used to be able to get mom's on campus. Don't underestimate the power of mom's opinion.
A few years back we had some WR's from Florida IMG that dumped us. It appears that that connection is shut.
Our newer staff members should be able to help us climb the mountain.
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It is hard
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Feb 21, 2024, 7:13 AM
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Going from back to back generational talents at QB to anything less than that
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Re: It is hard
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Feb 21, 2024, 12:48 PM
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This...
Having below average QBs have killed the program.
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Re: It is hard
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It is hard. MUCH harder than most were willing to admit back in 2020. I remember my long, well-reasoned post right after that OSU game. I basically stated that the world was changing and Clemson was at risk of getting left behind. My tnet pulse has still yet to recover. LOL.
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Partially because weve handcuffed ourselves!***
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Buy not buying players and being loyal to current players. Yeah, that's awful***
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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Feb 21, 2024, 7:28 AM
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The California player experiment set us back 4 years.
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Are you suggesting that there is something inferior about California players?
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Does being born or raised there confer some sort of disadvantage when it comes to college football?
This should be good…
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Tell 'em shill I
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LOL
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Re: Are you suggesting that there is something inferior about California players?
Feb 22, 2024, 11:28 AM
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It's got nothing to do with the players being from California.
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Re: Are you suggesting that there is something inferior about California players?
Feb 22, 2024, 11:54 AM
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Not so sure about that. I'll take an Alabama 4 star over a California 5 star most every time.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
Feb 21, 2024, 11:49 AM
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Interesting comment because I've seen many programs in FB and BB fall into the same trap. Sometimes it may seem glamorous to go after the kids across the country, but at the same time, you lose track of the kids that got you there. SC, GA, and FL (southeast in general) have been the breadbasket
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Two things really hurt our local recruiting
Feb 21, 2024, 12:43 PM
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Kirbys rise at Georgia and Mac Brown returning to UNC.
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Re: Two things really hurt our local recruiting
Feb 21, 2024, 12:48 PM
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Mac Brown will never win another NC, and I don't care where he goes to try and accomplish that win...
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California also has much higher population than any southern state except
Feb 22, 2024, 12:19 PM
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Texas and Florida so they have a larger athlete pool to choose from. population #s are as follows for those 3 states:
Cal: 39 Million
Texas: 31 Million
Florida: 23 Million
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It has been a longer climb than expected,
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but it makes you look back and appreciate the generational talents that DW4 and TL were. They had some really great pieces around them too. Yeah, I think we all would have liked to see Dabo adapt to the rapid changes in the game more quickly, but I’m encouraged by his assistant coaching staff moves and with what I’ve seen out of Coach Luke on the recruiting trail recently (jury’s still out on Coach Riley)! But I think the future is bright in Tigertown! Go Tigers! Beat Georgia!
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Re: It has been a longer climb than expected,
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I think it was more Covid that set us back in recruiting. We have to get the players to Clemson, and then we have a fighting chance to get them. For 2 years we couldn't bring guys to campus, so we missed out on a lot of players we would normally get. We got some good players, but we had to take what we could get.
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Re: It has been a longer climb than expected,
Feb 21, 2024, 4:14 PM
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Ding ding
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Re: It has been a longer climb than expected,
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If I’m being honest, I expected a huge drop off after Watson. However, TL won the Natty as a freshman and I expected him to win at least one more. But, the drop off on overall talent was steep and fast. Once we lost elite receivers, the offensive numbers dropped dramatically. Many people cite the exit of Scott as the problem; the problem was Rogers was the best receiver we had. He was a good college slot receiver at best.
I believe Dabo can take us back. IF he cleans out the coaching cupboard a bit. He has to stop giving grad assistant level talent coordinator jobs just because they played for him or are sons of college buddies. Goodwin is coming into his own. He didn’t get any help from the offense and the defense was worn out before games end. I still have concerns about Grisham as receivers coach, Stoudt as offensive development coach, and a couple other coaches that were promoted too soon. Special teams coach also comes to mind.
I should be elated that I got to witness a second and third national championship. I shared the first with my Dad and prayed he’d live long enough to see another. That day came twice over! My Dad introduced me to Clemson football way back in 1977 when I was 6 years old. His IPTAY membership allowed me to see many home games through 1989. My father got too busy with life and stopped his IPTAY membership and I took up the slack starting in 1990. Being able to take my Dad back to Clemson games has been some of the best memories of my life. We had many eye rolling moments watching DJU force a run play with constant zero or single high safety coverage. It’s been an incredible journey through the years. I’m again praying my Dad can witness one more Clemson Championship before he’s called home!
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Theres nothing wrong with our coaching group.
Feb 21, 2024, 12:37 PM
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The defense just finished up as the 6th best in the country, and we lost 4 games due to critical turnovers and a developmental QB.
Stop the critical turnovers (like we did to win 5 straight) and see the QB progress, and we are in the playoffs. No new coaches are needed.
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Re: It has been a longer climb than expected,
Feb 21, 2024, 12:58 PM
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If I’m being honest, I expected a huge drop off after Watson. However, TL won the Natty as a freshman and I expected him to win at least one more. But, the drop off on overall talent was steep and fast. Once we lost elite receivers, the offensive numbers dropped dramatically. Many people cite the exit of Scott as the problem; the problem was Rogers was the best receiver we had. He was a good college slot receiver at best.
I believe Dabo can take us back. IF he cleans out the coaching cupboard a bit. He has to stop giving grad assistant level talent coordinator jobs just because they played for him or are sons of college buddies. Goodwin is coming into his own. He didn’t get any help from the offense and the defense was worn out before games end. I still have concerns about Grisham as receivers coach, Stoudt as offensive development coach, and a couple other coaches that were promoted too soon. Special teams coach also comes to mind.
I should be elated that I got to witness a second and third national championship. I shared the first with my Dad and prayed he’d live long enough to see another. That day came twice over! My Dad introduced me to Clemson football way back in 1977 when I was 6 years old. His IPTAY membership allowed me to see many home games through 1989. My father got too busy with life and stopped his IPTAY membership and I took up the slack starting in 1990. Being able to take my Dad back to Clemson games has been some of the best memories of my life. We had many eye rolling moments watching DJU force a run play with constant zero or single high safety coverage. It’s been an incredible journey through the years. I’m again praying my Dad can witness one more Clemson Championship before he’s called home!
BINGO OneJedi!!!
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Re: It has been a longer climb than expected,
Feb 21, 2024, 11:52 AM
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They were generational but remember they a D-line with studs like Wilkins, Ferrell, and Lawrence. They really had some complete teams with RB/WR/OL all around those QBs. It takes a lot of building blocks to be the best
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Re: It has been a longer climb than expected,
Feb 22, 2024, 2:32 PM
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That d-line in 18 was a difference maker. We might have beaten LSU the following year if we had still had it. In the championship game against LSU we couldn’t get pressure on Burrow without blitzing and you can’t blitz a quarterback as good as he is every play. He’ll eat your lunch if you try it. The Power Rangers might have been able to get to him.
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Re: It has been a longer climb than expected,
Feb 21, 2024, 12:50 PM
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Garrett Riley's offense can't/won't work without the O line and WRs to give his QB a half a chance...
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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Thanks David. The article is spot on as always. We are all going to find out this season whether Tyler Grisham gets to keep his job or gets fired because he is on the clock.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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Yes, wide receiver development is the black hole in our team development process. One has to wonder why our receivers always get hurt (training?),and aren’t the “go get the ball”(coaching) types we used to have at Clemson.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
Feb 22, 2024, 11:33 AM
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The reason is that they simply aren't as talented as the previous receivers. It doesn't matter who is coaching them.
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COVID impacts on recruiting cannot be overstated, I think
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When you lose basically a whole year of face-to-face closing--which seems to be Dabo gift--and then have COVID extensions unbalance rosters for 5 years, it's hard to make the stars align in your favor. I think some other programs that use a more "shotgun" approach to recruiting offering 400 players didn't get hurt as much as Dabo's highly selective face-to-face methods.
And clearly, everything was getting to be "too easy" for the team, and some of the fire went out and OSU --wanting revenge and having pinned a target on Clemson specifically--showed that Clemson had grown soft, like Rocky III soft. Because it's not a movie, the turnaround from getting beat down to coming out on top will take more than a training montage to accomplish.
The open floodgates of NIL and transfer portal don't help, but I still trust Dabo and company to keep those goals in sight and keep working towards them...six consecutive CFPs and 2 titles demonstrated that they could do it before, they can probably do it again.
My sore spot question, though, is will that happen while CFB still has any resemblance to CFB...before it becomes semi-pro ball?
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Re: I do not think that it is fair
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To compare teams three or four years ago with teams of today. The recent changes in college sports have had a dramatic effect on most teams. The portal and nil have dramatically changed the game and, as we have learned, coaches approach this new challenge differently.
Amateur sports has become a money game and that, to me, Is not a good thing. Wins can now be bought and I’m not sure that my team can play that game.
The fun is in the winning!
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Re: COVID impacts on recruiting cannot be overstated, I think
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I’ve said it many times myself; Covid 5th and 6th year players broke the game. Suddenly, we had parity in college football we haven’t seen in many years. Even Kansas made incredible strides in its program. The portal and NIL also changed the game. I’m waiting for the equalizing effect. It has to come in the form of enforced strict rules for portal and NIL recruiting. I honestly believe a prospect shouldn’t be offered NIL money until after their freshman year. I also hate the unlimited free agency created by the portal. I think it needs to be regulated to where only a student athlete with a legitimate gripe should be allowed to transfer.
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Re: COVID impacts on recruiting cannot be overstated, I think
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It started with the 2019 and 2020 classes, which were prior to COVID.
Both of those classes, and especially 2019, were really bad. Just go down the list of players that never finished their careers at Clemson.
DJ Uiagalelei
Demarckus Bowman
Frank Ladson
EJ Williams
Paul Tchio
Fred Davis
Joseph Charleston
Sergio Allen
Malcolm Greene
Ajou Ajou
Kevin Swint
Sage Ennis
Mitchell Mayes
Kobe Pace
Kane Patterson
Bryton Constantin (medical)
Logan Cash
Etinosa Reuben
Tayquon Johnson (retired)
Greg Williams (retired)
Hunter Rayburn (medical)
Vonta Bentley
Jaelyn Lay
Lannden Zanders (medical)
Mikey Dukes
Taisun Phommachanh
Ray Thornton
Kaleb Boateng
That's 28/52 players signed transferring or retiring early.
Between those two classes, we'll maybe see 7-8 players drafted.
Compare those to previous recruiting classes.
2017: 5/14 got drafted, including 3 first rounders
2018: 6/18 got drafted, and Justyn Ross was in that class
2019: 4/29 will likely get drafted
2020: 3-4/23 will likely get drafted
The staff completely whiffed on their evals for those two classes. COVID is a convenient excuse. The 2019 and 2020 classes are what really set us back. We are still trying to recover from them.
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Re: COVID impacts on recruiting cannot be overstated, I think
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2021, 2022, and 2023 appear to be much better classes though.
Just take 2021 as an example. We signed 19 in that class. We are about to have 3 of them drafted.
Nate Wiggins
Jeremiah Trotter
Will Shipley
Then we have more that are basically locks to get drafted next year.
Barret Carter
Phil Mafah
Jake Briningstool
Andrew Mukuba (transferred)
Then we have more that could get drafted if they have big years this season.
Tristan Leigh
Marcus Tate
Payton Page
Beaux Collins (transferred)
We're talking about a 19 man class that could possibly have 7-11 players drafted.
We need more classes with that type of hit rate.
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Re: COVID impacts on recruiting cannot be overstated, I think
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2019 was rough, especially following a NC. Remember the 2020 class was considered as the top in the nation, but turned into a dud with a lot of individuals. There were some NFL 1st rounders, and some failure. Shocking they couldn't build around that.
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Re: COVID impacts on recruiting cannot be overstated, I think
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The offensive line class was one of the best in the country. But it ended up being awful.
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Re: COVID impacts on recruiting cannot be overstated, I think
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Everyone dealt with COVID, not just Clemson.
Also our 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes were pretty crappy and those were locked in before COVID hit. Look at the top 10 recruits by star ranking on each of those classes. Out of 20 guys we had like 5 that were good.
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This is not a cynical question:
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Feb 21, 2024, 8:04 AM
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He writes that there is a desire to reach the pinnacle, but also that winning it all is not the main goal.
So if the desire is to return to the pinnacle, and yet winning it all is not the main goal,
then what, exactly, is the main goal? And where is the pinnacle?
A balanced, reputable, scandal-free, top-12 program that graduates players and turns out solid citizens seems the most logical answer to both questions.
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Tell 'em nothing since 1969 coot. No one knows losing better than you.
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Feb 21, 2024, 8:20 AM
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Re: This is not a cynical question:
Feb 22, 2024, 11:15 AM
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Winning the Natty your primary goal means that you will fail 90+% of the time.
A Natty can be your stretch goal, but if you come out saying "Our goal every year is to win the Natty, and then you don't win it, you're painted into a corner to say that the year was a failure. You also look like an idiot if you don't even make the CFP.
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Based on JK Logic, since we are now paying our Assistant Coaches AND our Head
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Feb 21, 2024, 8:20 AM
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Coach top dollar, they will all coach better, and winning this Natty thing again should be a lead pipe LOCK!
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We all know youre being obtuse.
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Feb 21, 2024, 8:42 AM
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Spending more on coaches implies that we have better quality coaches.
Since we went from top 10 last year to top 5 this year, the hope is that Dabo is rewarding the good coaches on his staff with raises and also going out and getting better coaches.
Here’s to the 2024 season being in improvement, because the last few years we have been under performing based on what we pay our coaches.
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Re: We all know youre being obtuse.
Feb 21, 2024, 1:08 PM
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I believe that just bc you give your favorite person the biggest, reddest, and shiniest apple, that won't make them a teacher!!! Just as more money won't increase their skill level!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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Feb 21, 2024, 8:50 AM
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Covid has a huge impact as our recruiting style does not translate to BSing on video calls.
Hiring inexperienced coaches and letting them learn on the job had a big negative impact.
Two five-star QBs who did not play up to the level expected of a 5*.
I expect the recent changes to pay immediate dividends but it make take a year or two before we are back in the top tier group of schools.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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Feb 21, 2024, 9:04 AM
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Nah man, our 2019 and 2020 recruiting classes were absolutely brutal, and these were locked in before COVID hit.
Take a look at the top 10 recruits from each of those classes. 20 total players and about 5 'hits'.
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I had to laugh at DH calling himself 'cynical'
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Feb 21, 2024, 9:02 AM
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Bro, you are squarely on the Pumper side of neutral. If you're cynical, then 80% of Tigernet is apocalyptic
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It's always gonna be tough when you're fighting w/ one hand behind your back.***
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
Feb 21, 2024, 9:34 AM
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Dropped off the National scene for a bit is true but we are back on top of the mountain as far as the state scene is considered and that feels pretty darn good. Here’s to the next 10 in a row over the “dirtpeckers”.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
Feb 21, 2024, 1:11 PM
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Now we have 50 more to climb over...
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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Feb 21, 2024, 9:49 AM
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When you look at the fact that we had Deshaun, Trevor, ETN and all the other players we have not replaced at their levels, there is no surprise. Accepting the fact that we may never players like Watson and Trevor again is a hard thing to do. If you don't have a great QB, you have to have really, really good linemen, running backs and receivers and we have some but not enough. Our recruiting class for 24 is very good and their talent will help.
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The "Elite?" question will be answered on 8/31/24 in Atlanta.***
Feb 21, 2024, 11:22 AM
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
Feb 21, 2024, 11:29 AM
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I will forever be grateful for the run we had and even more so because it happened before college football became ruined.
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Under NIL, it'll be nearly impossible for small, rural CU to win another natty.
Feb 21, 2024, 11:36 AM
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I hope I'm wrong, but as soon as the NIL Supreme Court ruling happened, I said that Clemson and the other smaller, poorer, schools will probably never win another natty because the bigger, richer schools will buy the best players. If Dabo and his coaches can somehow beat those schools to win a natty in the NIL era, it will be perhaps the greatest CFB coaching accomplishment ever.
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Re: Under NIL, it'll be nearly impossible for small, rural CU to win another natty.
Feb 22, 2024, 11:17 AM
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Dude, Washington was literally just in the National Championship last month.
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Dude, UW is twice our size (23k vs 46k), with a $6.2B endowment vs our $1B.
Feb 26, 2024, 1:53 PM
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Seattle is a major city with tons of corporate headquarters money (Amazon, Microsoft, Boeing, Costco Starbucks et al). Washington state has a 50% bigger population than SC.
Even so, Michigan (51k students, $18B endowment) kicked Washington's butt.
Endowments aren't used for football, but they give you an idea of how rich a school's alumni (and boosters) are.
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I think the main problem has been personnel mismanagement.
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It seems like we've loaded the roster with unproductive, project-type players.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
Feb 21, 2024, 11:43 AM
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No more talking is needed. No more articles about how great this player is or how hard they're working!!! Stop all of it. Keep the head down, keep quiet and come out on August 31st and punch Georgia in the jaw (not literally but smash them on the lines of scrimmage) as soon as the game starts and don't stop until its over. This is how the message must be sent to the SEC, BIG10 and all of college football that Clemson is back.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
Feb 21, 2024, 12:22 PM
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I have finally worked put what the mis communication is surrounding the portal. People talk about the portal as a solution when in fact it is merely potential. It has worked for some teams but just like in the days of JUCO transfers as a quick fix they don't always pan out and in the end destroy a program. Just ask U of SC. They had plenty of hits and misses on the JUCO trail.
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Portal players and juco transfers are not even close to being the same thing.
Feb 21, 2024, 2:34 PM
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That's a very bad comparison.
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Re: Portal players and juco transfers are not even close to being the same thing.
Feb 26, 2024, 2:28 PM
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That's a very bad comparison.
Tell me why that is such a bad comparison. In both instances players played at ar level of college. They have less than 5 years left of eligibility. They were recruited same as players are now. Some with money involved albeit illegal at the time. Looks pretty much the same to me. There was even rankings for JUCO players that factored in to how well you re recruited that year.
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
Feb 21, 2024, 12:39 PM
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Maybe we can compete for the National Championship of Schools That Only Feature High School Players…
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
Feb 22, 2024, 11:55 AM
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So you want us to join the Ivy League? 
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Re: TNET: Clemson's climb back up the mountain has been tougher than expected
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I would be more in favor of paying Assistant Coaches record breaking salaries once we reach the top of that proverbial mountain, instead of at the start of the climb. Think significant incentive bonuses, rather than huge guaranteed salaries. There is a reason that businesses pay their executives this way.
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Agreed 100%.***
Feb 21, 2024, 2:35 PM
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Has IMG cut us off?
Feb 22, 2024, 11:49 AM
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Or have we quit trying?
There's been nothing in recruiting about anyone from there.
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Keep the Faith
Feb 22, 2024, 4:32 PM
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I never thought it would happen again and it took 35 years.
Dabo has led us to two and God willing some more in the future
GO TIGERS
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