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A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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A good or much improved OL isn't going to look good against highly talented teams like UGA. Cade's going to have to learn how to make plays under duress just like TL and DW4 did. I know people seem to think an improved OL cures all ills, but it just doesn't when the competition gets ramped up. OL improvement will only show up when we play teams we're suppose to beat. You aren't going to get push versus teams with 5 stars all along their defensive front.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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Jan 22, 2024, 10:38 PM
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Well get out there and show him how it's done hoss!
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Youre not wrong but whats the alternative? Other than recruiting
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Jan 22, 2024, 10:51 PM
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Another TL or DW that is . . .
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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Jan 22, 2024, 10:57 PM
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Who said a better OL would fix our issues? How about adding a RB that can run it to the house and not get run down from behind after 30yds. But beyond not having a fast RB, how about a WR that can house it? Well that probably takes a couple WRs that can actually block before the fast WR gets his hands on it.
Bottomline, our offense has been average and it isnt average because of Cade. Its average because we have had average WRs, slightly above avg TBs, avg OL and a young QB. TLaw would not make us a playoff team if he was here this year, period!
With Tlaw, we probably beat FSU because we should have to start with. And I think maybe we beat NCSt but probably not. We don't beat Miami because our line was dominated and Cade was running for life. Duke, we puked it up at horrible times. So I honestly think TLaw wins one more game vs Cade. Our best QB vs one of our better with lots of room to grow.
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OP's just trolling like he usually does.***
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Re: How Can A Running Back Bust A Big One Without Better Blocking??? ---
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Jan 22, 2024, 11:11 PM
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O-line is going to have to be able to move people or stuff people to get the running backs the holes an run lanes that we must have. Also gaining those 4 to 5 yards in congested areas is also important in the run game.
The way to loosen up a defense like Georgia's is to break them up in the interior as well as run by them gaining separation and completing passes. That one - two punch with rhythm and controlled tempo offensively all game long gives us chance.
As far as Cade goes he has to be focused and fearless against bullish competition.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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Jan 23, 2024, 7:23 AM
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Last season, with either Trevor, Deshaun, or end-of-season Cade, we would have been undefeated and in the CFP as #2. None of the teams we played were actually very good.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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Jan 23, 2024, 1:21 PM
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I agree with TL and DW. But what is end of season Cade? Any version of Cade up to this point has a lot of work to do. Tons.
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People are ready to crown Cade an elite QB because of one good drive at the end of the bowl game. Not trying to hate on the kid, but people need to stop trying to compare him to Trevor or Deshaun. There's just no comparison to be made there at this point. If Trevor was on last year's team, I don't know how good they would've been, but they definitely would've been better. I still think Cade can improve, but people need to stop with the Watson/Lawrence stuff because it's just absurd.
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Who is saying hes TL or DW?***
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 23, 2024, 8:01 AM
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Not sure about the assessment of the Miami comment. Sure the OL got dominated, particularly by Reuben Bain. However, we lost the game in 2 OT. The game ended on the most boneheaded play by a Clemson QB I have ever seen and I have been watching Clemson football for 50 years.
He redeemed himself from a boneheaded grounding penalty on the final drive of the bowl game.
Cade has the physical tools to be a good college QB. If he can’t process information on the fly better, read defenses and stop trying to make hero plays that have zero chance of success; 10-2 is Clemson’s ceiling and 6-5 is the floor. If he can then 10-2 is probably the floor the next two years with the supporting cast he has now.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 23, 2024, 8:08 AM
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I agree. Our WR's need to block better, catch better, and run better routes. TE's too. A break away back would help. OL needs big improvement. All these changes would help Cade immensely.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 23, 2024, 8:22 AM
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Those making progress even in the pros have good OL...try throwing a pass to an open wr while laying on your a** with some 300lb cat on top of you...Cade also needs that internal clock to tell him it's time to throw it...Penix was no greater than his O line...Michigan even compromised that...Harbaugh knew he was a capricorn...more stolen signs!
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 23, 2024, 1:25 PM
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Watch the new Gramlach and McLain podcast with Larry Williams. Think it was posted by FSUBret yesterday. They seem to think Cade is the issue. Larry even said he would have contacted Riley Leonard to come to Clemson. He hinted that what he is saying isn’t just his words, but maybe the opinion of people inside the program.
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Inside the program, thats BS. Its lazy and ignorant
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Just another blowhard who hasn’t watched enough football to understand quarterbacks most often take time to develop. Usually by the 3rd year is when you start to see the best of a QB.
I mean - you do know this is how it usually goes with QBs, right? I mean yeah we don’t know Cade’s ceiling as of yet other than he’s a 5-star with raw skills, but let’s not give credit to wannabe blowhards who pretend to know better than coaches.
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Re: Inside the program, thats BS. Its lazy and ignorant
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We all will know in about 8 months. I’ll believe it when I see it.
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Cant disagree***
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Re: Cant disagree***
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Cade might not can be Tlaw or DW4 but he can be a Tajh. Tajh didn’t start for us until his redshirt sophomore season. Took him 3 years in the program to take off. This will be Cades 3rd year.
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I can buy that. Quick releases that throw the WR open
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Jan 22, 2024, 11:53 PM
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Will or will not be evident early in the season.
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Re: I can buy that. Quick releases that throw the WR open
Jan 26, 2024, 12:34 AM
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and more importantly, he's got to develop some semblance of a deep ball
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Re: Cant disagree***
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Klubnick has one up on Boyd he beat usc
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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Well #### guess Clemson should just forfeit and they should also return the 2 Natty’s because elite football minds said Bammer was more talented. Some Clemson “fans” are embarrassing!!!
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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My guess is the "some fans' you are referring to are not real CLEMSON fans.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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Cade has made plenty of plays under duress because he’s had lots of experience with it. Fixing the OL 100pct improves every game. Yes, the elite teams will get pressure, but not in under 1 second which is what we’re seeing now. KENTUCKY had 7 or 8 sacks. KENTUCKY! Cade certainly needs the game to slow down in his head and some of the sacks are his fault, but Shirley you can’t be serious.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 23, 2024, 7:13 AM
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I think personally we will see a much improved running game this year with Mafah, the run for the score against Kentucky was the way it's supposed to be done, waiting on the blocks to develop and then exploding through the hole. The block Mafah made in which Cade was called for grounding was on Cade, Mafah blocked the guy to the outside and instead of Cade moving up in the pocket tried to get to the outside anyway. Cade plays his best when he doesn't over think and just reacts, the two point conversion pass was done quickly and could have not been a more perfect pass.
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Thats dumb. Youre trying too hard.***
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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It certainly won't hurt.
Go Tigers!!!
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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For a supposed college graduate, as Fred Sanford would say, "You big dummy"! Having a fifth star out of high school doesn't necessarily mean you are elite at the college level. And just because you were a 3 star out of high school doesn't mean you CAN'T achieve elite status at the college level. Some of you people put too much emphasis on those stars.
There were about 4 schools this year loaded with 5 stars from top to bottom, including Georgia and Alabama, yet none of those 5 star loaded schools won the championship. Michigan definitely was not loaded with 5 star high school recruits. How did they win?
And do not forget, CLEMSON became ELITE and won championships without a bunch of 5 star recruits! Go all way back to 2010 and look at our recruiting and you will see it happened with very few 5 stars, and most years we had no 5 stars. Sick of you sit at home on your couch, never played football, and never coached football in your life fans who think you know what it takes to win in football. Get outta here with your bs!!!!
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 23, 2024, 8:01 AM
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By stealing signals.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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A good or much improved OL isn't going to look good against highly talented teams like UGA. Cade's going to have to learn how to make plays under duress just like TL and DW4 did. I know people seem to think an improved OL cures all ills, but it just doesn't when the competition gets ramped up. OL improvement will only show up when we play teams we're suppose to beat. You aren't going to get push versus teams with 5 stars all along their defensive front.
This is literally some of the dumbest $hit I've seen posted on here and that's saying a lot. A good OL does cure a lot of ills. The QB doesn't have happy feet which leads to premature throws and bad decisions. It affords more time for a WR to complete or adjust his route. It allows the QB to complete all reads. It opens holes for a running back to gain more yards.
Does it fix everything no it does not but it makes everything else better offensively.
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Your engineering degree has gone to your head.
Jan 23, 2024, 8:33 AM
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You think your full of original thoughts but your points are elementary.
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we won't get blown out like FSwho did
Jan 23, 2024, 8:48 AM
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Calling it now Tigers 24- uGAy 17
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 23, 2024, 12:18 PM
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Well. Playing against a fully healthy FSU team with this offense and the OL played very well. Some would say outplayed:
More total yards
Just 6 less passing yards
124 more rushing yards
9 more first downs
Better 3rd down efficiency (6/14 vs 4/13)
Fewer punts
9 minutes more time of possession
But what if the OLine would have been better, in giving QB more time and run blocking even better.
Maybe covert more 3rd downs?
Score TD vs FG on opening drive?
Picked up blitz better?
They would have won the game. FSU fully healthy last year would have been in CFP and probably would have been a championship contender.
So maybe a better OLine is a great place to start.
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Jan 23, 2024, 12:19 PM
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Good OL’s make a huge difference. Win at the LOS and you have a pretty darn good chance of a W.
Michigan was winning at the LOS in both playoff games. Alabama’s d-line looked out manned and that’s saying something.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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Jan 23, 2024, 12:26 PM
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Have you ever been right?
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 23, 2024, 12:28 PM
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That’s incorrect. An improved offensive line play definitely helps with QB play. Let’s be honest, the offensive line the last two years couldn’t block a 5 year old. With a true proven Oline coach they can play light years better and add mere seconds to the plays that break down. All a QB needs is a few more seconds sometimes. Cade very rarley got to even drop back before getting sacked. So with all that said, improved offensive line play CAN help. We’ve never had an elite Oline but we have had one well enough to win, why? Because of great coaching in years past. Thomas Austin wasn’t Him and the results showed
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 23, 2024, 12:28 PM
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Everyone keeps bringing up the UGA game like it is a measuring stick. List all the teams in the country you would pick to beat UGA in week one.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 26, 2024, 7:24 AM
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Whether we win or lose, the UGA game is a measuring stick. We lost to them to open the season a few years ago. What people took out of that game was our defense was still elite but the offense was not good. Turned out that was not an anomaly and that game pretty much was in line with last three years of performance.
Clemson can have a great year and lose that game. If we look like a team that could compete with Georgia Clemson will get the benefit of the doubt from the playoff committee all year long.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 23, 2024, 12:31 PM
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I disagree. I think a substantially improved OL could be the most valuable single improvement for Clemson football 2024.
Does it mean all problems are solved? No.
Does it mean Cade will turn into John Elway? No. But it will greatly assist Cade in making the necessary improvements.
Like every team, we need to improve in all facets, but improved OL play could be the most valuable improvement in 2024.
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I had higher expectations last year given the talent and experience
Jan 23, 2024, 1:45 PM
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that was returning.
In, 2021-22, we were really young & inexperienced and persevered though more than average amount of injuries throughout the season.
2023. We had a less than normal amount of injuries, but didn't take the next jump.
Again, this year, I have higher expectations, especially with Matt Luke. With him, and the experience returning I would like to believe they look like a much more solid unit in 2024.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 23, 2024, 6:38 PM
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Well, we don't play very many elite teams so let's just be 12-1 after the ACCCG and we'll be in the playoffs. By then, our offensive line may have fully jelled into the best unit in the country.
That's assuming we're not already good enough to beat Georgia in the opener.
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So we should use all of our NIL on a QB?***
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It sure won't hurt.***
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 24, 2024, 3:12 PM
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Really? Wow. Just wow.
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 24, 2024, 3:24 PM
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Where did you get that information? I couldn't disagree more!
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
Jan 26, 2024, 7:34 AM
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It might not "fix all ills", but it will be an add to the overall team. Upgrades will help the overall exp.
It's kinda like congress saying... Spend more, it won't hurt. We're already up to our eyeballs in debt
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Re: A "fixed" OL isn't going to make a difference against elite teams
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Cuenggrad83: you win the award for the dumbest post ever. Congrats
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