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Thoughts on Beer moving to 1st
Jun 13, 2016, 9:28 PM
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I think this is a great move. You could tell that he had a hard time picking up balls in Right Field. We were unset at 1st all year, now we have the best player in the country there. Now, we will get his bat and I think we will get good fielding from him at 1st. The best gets even better!
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Re: Thoughts on Beer moving to 1st
Jun 13, 2016, 10:24 PM
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You have one of the best pure hitters there.
I hope he can transition. In HS he pitched and played OF. He should be able to though through the off season. Who knows, maybe he plays this summer with Team USA & figures it out.
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Re: Thoughts on Beer moving to 1st
Jun 14, 2016, 9:43 AM
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I would be surprised if he plays even one inning at first base for team USA. I'm guessing team USA has all the skilled, experienced first basemen they need. They are not going to be a training ground for us. It's more likely that he plays right field and gets more comfortable playing that position.
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Re: Thoughts on Beer moving to 1st
Jun 14, 2016, 2:16 PM
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> I would be surprised if he plays even one inning at
> first base for team USA. I'm guessing team USA has
> all the skilled, experienced first basemen they need.
> They are not going to be a training ground for us.
> . It's more likely that he plays right field and
> gets more comfortable playing that position.
I wasn't clear in my post. I meant play RF for USA and figure it out. There's a good chance he only DHs for them too.
I agree with you, he won't get a chance at 1st this summer.
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Re: Thoughts on Beer moving to 1st
Jun 13, 2016, 10:33 PM
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I would have a hard time with this if Cox could hit...just a little bit...because no matter how you slice it, Cox is our best 1B option defensively on this team no question.
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Good for us (maybe), bad for him
Jun 14, 2016, 5:45 AM
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It will cost him some money two years from now. 1st basemen aren't valued as highly in the draft.
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Re: Good for us (maybe), bad for him
Jun 14, 2016, 6:05 AM
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Is that the reason the Red Sox moved Ramairez from left field to first base?
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Re: Good for us (maybe), bad for him
Jun 14, 2016, 7:24 AM
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First basemen who can perform at a satisfactory level are viewed higher than outfielders who can not.
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Re: Good for us (maybe), bad for him
Jun 14, 2016, 8:34 AM
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Ding, Ding, Ding. I do think that outfielders who really can cover and play the field and hit seem to be of more value that 1st basemen who don't have that range. JMO, but that seems to be my observation.
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Re: Good for us (maybe), bad for him
Jun 14, 2016, 11:14 AM
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They did that because he was absolutely horrible defensively in left. It was like watching a circus any time he had the ball hit his way.
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Re: Good for us (maybe), bad for him
Jun 14, 2016, 8:19 AM
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Is that why a first baseman wasn't taken until the middle of the second round this year? You don't know much about baseball, do you?
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Re: Good for us (maybe), bad for him
Jun 14, 2016, 10:43 AM
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Are you really gonna use one year in the draft as a basis for your argument? Do you really think if Beer played firstbase this year and was draft eligible, that he wouldn't have gone in the first round? Top ten even?
In baseball, it doesn't matter how tall you are or how much you weigh or what position you play. If you can rake and field your position decently, you're going to be drafted high. It wouldn't matter if Beer was the worst first baseman ever, with the way he hits he's a for sure top 10 pick.
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Re: Good for us (maybe), bad for him
Jun 14, 2016, 10:56 AM
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No, I'll use four years of the draft as an argument. In the last four drafts, four first basemen have been selected in the first round. Compare that to the number of outfielders, shortstops or even catchers who have gone in the first round.
I said that first basemen are undervalued in the draft, and that's a demonstrable fact. With that said, I do believe Beer will go in the first round because of his hitting ability.
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Re: Good for us (maybe), bad for him
Jun 14, 2016, 11:04 AM
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Well, you do realize there are 3 outfielders on the field and just 1 first baseman, right? Of coarse there are going to be way more outfielders drafted than first basemen.
Shortstops and catchers are premium positions of need, not anyone can play those positions where as anyone with pro baseball talent can play first.
My point is if you are a great hitter, it doesn't matter what position you play, you will be drafted high and not lose any money.
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Re: Good for us (maybe), bad for him
Jun 14, 2016, 11:10 AM
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That may be fair enough but those 4 first basemen will get the same draft slot $ as the outfielder. And from another perspective, MLB can always move him to the outfield when assigned to the minors.
Thanks for reading and for your opinion.
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Re: Good for us (maybe), bad for him
Jun 14, 2016, 11:10 AM
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Just because they were NOT first basemen in high school does not mean they were drafted to play another position at the next level. Don't know much about baseball do you????
By the way, I coached baseball for more than thirty years and never had a losing season!
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Makes me wonder why he ......
Jun 14, 2016, 7:47 AM
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has not played 1st base before?????
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Re: Makes me wonder why he ......
Jun 14, 2016, 11:16 AM
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Because he was an early enrollee and would have had about a month to learn a completely new position. He pitched and played outfield in HS. At least now he will have about 9 months to take ground balls and learn the nuances of first base.
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Re: Makes me wonder why he ......
Jun 14, 2016, 2:36 PM
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No, I meant high school, legion or anywhere before he got to Clemson.
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Re: Makes me wonder why he ......
Jun 14, 2016, 4:50 PM
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Oh, probably because he has a big arm and coaches wanted him out there gunning down runners. He really isn't built like a prototypical first baseman because he's very lean and lanky. A strong arm only gets you so far and he looked a little lost at times in right last season.
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It certainly can't hurt. I like that Monte Lee isn't afraid
Jun 14, 2016, 10:26 AM
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to try new position changes. Worst case scenario is that it doesn't work and he goes back to right field. Best case scenario is that we upgrade both positions.
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Re: Thoughts on Beer moving to 1st
Jun 14, 2016, 10:31 AM
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I'm thinking it's probably a smart move.
We will at least miss his arm in rightfield.
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Not sure why we would want this move.
Jun 14, 2016, 11:12 AM
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Beer's defense towards the end of the season in right field was suspect. Why would we advocate for him to play an arguably more important defensive position? I think we just let him hang out there in the outfield, improve his fielding of flyballs, and let him keep doing his offensive thang.
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Nothing was wrong with Beer's glove in RF, it was his ...
Jun 14, 2016, 2:26 PM
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... it was his ability to judge the ball off the bat and to cover ground effectively that cost him a few times.
I think he'll do great at 1st base where the area of coverage is only a couple of yards either direction and the balls you're expected to handle are coming right at you.
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wow... given our difficulties in the infield the past
Jun 14, 2016, 1:38 PM
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two years, you'd think the board would value good-fielding first basemen
like Andrew Cox a little more than just handing his position to another player.
Now granted, after the foot injury Rudy lost his stride at the plate and only partially recovered it by the ACCT.
That being said, I think Beer is going to struggle more than just "some" if he hasn't played 1st before.
Beer's poorest assets are his wheels - he doesn't look smooth running
and I really wonder if he has the footwork to field 1st effectively.
But who knows - these are kids who can grow and get better -
Rudy may hit Beer back into right field, and Beer may learn to Samba right there at 1st base.
Either way, I trust Coach Lee to find the right combo to maximize the team....
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Re: wow... given our difficulties in the infield the past
Jun 14, 2016, 3:31 PM
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I agree 100%. The tiger infield errors would be 25% greater if not for Cox. Good feet and the ability to flex at the hip are musts for good first baseman....we will have to see how Beer works out. I could see him as a primary DH.
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Is this wasting his great arm? Couldn' t he learn to be good
Jun 17, 2016, 7:57 PM
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right fielder? He is so young.
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