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The only thing I have to say about Uvalde and a blanket statement for all violent crimes.
Jun 7, 2022, 5:57 PM
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Is when are we going to stop demonizing police ( some do deserve it), blaming race ( it was an individual that committed a crime not a race), or gun control laws (because law or no law criminals do not care) and start victimizing criminals as they should be?
I for one am sick of everyone pointing fingers at everything else except the people responsible for these heinous acts. It’s not just Uvalde, its everywhere! I can’t count how many times I have read where someone commits a violent crime, pleas innocent, and calls themselves victims and then gets away free only to commit another violent crime later on.
You can literally find violent criminals who have committed violent crimes on numerous occasions and still walk the streets as if nothing happened. If you don’t believe me you can find all of it in public records.
I’ll let you in on a little secret, drinking and driving offenders are just as bad as violent criminals. There’s absolutely no reason that a multi time DUI offender should ever be issued a drivers license again.
Do we blame a car for getting toasted and killing multiple innocent people in a drunk driver case ? No! You fools a car is an inanimate object! Everyone knows that all you have to do to settle a DUI ( a traffic stop) is to pay an attorney a Hanson amount to get out of jail free. Which by the way they love to see a DUI client walk into the firm so why would they want DUI to end?
My point is stop feeling sorry and making excuses for individuals who are committing crimes! You can blame mental health, you can blame society, you can blame the guns/ gun laws, you can blame race all you want to but it is absolutely a cowards way of standing up to the people who are guilty by not addressing the real root cause.
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This never would have happened if guns were illegal.***
Jun 7, 2022, 6:38 PM
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Re: This never would have happened if guns were illegal.***
Jun 7, 2022, 7:11 PM
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Isn’t murdering people in general illegal? Don’t come here with that crap!
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I'm sorry if there were no guns then people wouldn't die by
Jun 7, 2022, 7:26 PM
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guns. This is common sense I shouldn't have to explain to you. Founders never intended for us to have guns. If you read history you would know that.
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Re: I'm sorry if there were no guns then people wouldn't die by
Jun 7, 2022, 7:48 PM
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Are you freaking kidding me? Your mentality is exactly what is wrong with the whole picture! If we didn’t have criminals there wouldn’t be a need for guns except hint for food. Heck, you can do that with a bow! Ill entertain you and I’ll give you a better option! I say let’s do it right and if you get 2 violent crime offenses, your third offense will get you dropped off on a island far away with nothing but a jar of tomato seeds. The British did it a long time ago and exiled criminals to Australia.
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If guns didn't exist how would people be killed by guns?
Jun 7, 2022, 8:16 PM
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Don't jerk me around, it's a simple question. A baby could answer it.
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Re: If guns didn't exist how would people be killed by guns?
Jun 7, 2022, 8:29 PM
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If guns didn’t EXISTs at all, no they wouldn’t. They do and always will.
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Not if you make them illegal.
Jun 7, 2022, 8:49 PM
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Step 1: Mandatory registry.
Step 2: Make them illegal.
Step 3: Buyback program to avoid takings clause issues.
Step 4: Final "immunity" period to turn in firearms before consequences.
Step 5: Begin passive enforcement. If caught with one, punishment.
Step 6: In-home confiscations w/ serious punishment.
Permanent: Caught after Step 6, mandatory life sentence.
I guarantee by Step 5 America will be almost gun free.
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...and ready for the Tribe.***
Jun 7, 2022, 10:53 PM
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Cleveland?***
Jun 7, 2022, 10:59 PM
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Re: Not if you make them illegal.
Jun 7, 2022, 11:26 PM
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Step 1: make them illegal
Step 2: Disarm law abiding, family protecting citizens.
Step 3: rely on police ( that you don’t trust and are 40 minutes late for a massacre)
Step 4: rely on a government to strip criminals of their weapons after several failed attempts.
Step 5: repeat history by following in the footsteps of every other dictator ran country in the world. Look at how many countries disarmed countries their were in the country and how many was executed by their own government. Want to take a guess ? How many other countries are there that share the same freedoms we do. It’s getting slimmer and slimmer my man!
Step 6:
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This is pure paranoia.
Jun 7, 2022, 11:27 PM
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And very sad you don't have more faith in our police.
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Re: This is pure paranoia.
Jun 7, 2022, 11:37 PM
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Apparently all of them are racists and crooked right? You can’t demonize them one minute and have faith them at the same time do you? I believe if I’m at my home or in my vehicle I believe I could protect my family and myself quicker than a police officer could. You forget. It’s not all about you. Don’t you think those parents wouldn’t have ran into a school with a firearm to protect there own given the chance?
I don’t know about you but take a look around you. We don’t live in Mayberry where criminals rob people at fist point. You stay in your little box thinking nothing can ever happen. I’d rather know I went down doing what I could to protect the lives of others.
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I've been to Mt. Airy and it's not Chicago.
Jun 7, 2022, 11:42 PM
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Get a grip, Barn.
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Re: I've been to Mt. Airy and it's not Chicago.
Jun 7, 2022, 11:47 PM
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Get a grip, Barn.
Cool, nice to know you’d be like a sheep going to a slaughter without a fight. Good luck!
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If your entire defense of gun rights is some farcical
Jun 7, 2022, 11:50 PM
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Version of Animal Farm then it appears I have won the argument and established that guns are not worth protecting.
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Re: If your entire defense of gun rights is some farcical
Jun 7, 2022, 11:53 PM
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then why do you want to take them?
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One of the steps I laid out above.
Jun 7, 2022, 11:56 PM
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But people have plenty of time to voluntarily relinquish them before penalties.
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Maybe. But the Founders experience in the
Jun 7, 2022, 11:07 PM
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Rev War taught them armed citizens could not be trusted (red coat traitors) and that only organized, State-controlled military units should have weapons of war.
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Re: Maybe. But the Founders experience in the
Jun 7, 2022, 11:43 PM
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You don’t think that military personnel, police officers and other servicemen wouldn’t assemble with the US citizens to form a militia, in effort to preserve or intended freedoms as written?
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No because they would be taught the real
Jun 7, 2022, 11:57 PM
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Understanding of the Second Amendment and not just what the NRA says it is.
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Re: The only thing I have to say about Uvalde and a blanket statement for all violent crimes.
Jun 7, 2022, 7:01 PM
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Because the left and progressives, for some reason, believe that traditional values of following the law and individual responsibility are out of style.
Ain't that cute?
Believe what you want Birm, Cat, etc. but the left, not just the extreme left, are 100% responsible for the chit hole this country is becoming.
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to be fair, conservatives are blindly stuck to "back the
Jun 7, 2022, 7:16 PM
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blue" when clearly the blue are just another part of the corrupt criminal government. Look at this case, where they stood around with their thumbs up their arses while children were being murdered for 90 minutes. Or the covid lockdowns, where they were quick to show up in armored vehicles to shut down a pizza shop. The police are part of the government, and the government is the problem.
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Re: to be fair, conservatives are blindly stuck to "back the
Jun 7, 2022, 7:20 PM
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blue" when clearly the blue are just another part of the corrupt criminal government. Look at this case, where they stood around with their thumbs up their arses while children were being murdered for 90 minutes. Or the covid lockdowns, where they were quick to show up in armored vehicles to shut down a pizza shop. The police are part of the government, and the government is the problem.
I’m not blindly backing the blue. I wouldn’t support criminal cops just like I don’t support criminals.
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When the cops don't do anything about the criminal
Jun 7, 2022, 7:30 PM
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cops or government officials, then they are all criminal.
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Re: When the cops don't do anything about the criminal
Jun 7, 2022, 7:49 PM
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I’m in favor of a new government too!
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Re: To say nothing of the fact that police are a huge proponent
Jun 7, 2022, 7:54 PM
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Of course they are. I am a proponent for gun control. As long as criminals guns are controlled first.
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Re: The only thing I have to say about Uvalde and a blanket statement for all violent crimes.
Jun 7, 2022, 7:16 PM
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Because the left and progressives, for some reason, believe that traditional values of following the law and individual responsibility are out of style.
Ain't that cute?
Believe what you want Birm, Cat, etc. but the left, not just the extreme left, are 100% responsible for the chit hole this country is becoming.
Pretty soon you will only have mentally unstable, victimized, unlawfully abiding citizens with means to harm… I mean carry firearms! Because they care so much for you and your families lives now!, they would never do anything illegal!
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Re: The only thing I have to say about Uvalde and a blanket statement for all violent crimes.
Jun 7, 2022, 7:21 PM
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It all started when parents began putting their kids in “time out”, instead of beating that ###.
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I absolutely appreciate and support police
Jun 7, 2022, 7:22 PM
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but there is no excuse for the police in Uvalde to have waited almost an hour to go into the school.
ZERO.
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It's 90 minutes. They have admitted 75 so far, but I'm sure
Jun 7, 2022, 7:30 PM
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that will continue to rise to 90.
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Re: I absolutely appreciate and support police
Jun 7, 2022, 7:34 PM
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but there is no excuse for the police in Uvalde to have waited almost an hour to go into the school.
ZERO.
Maybe so! Maybe they should be severely investigated for neglecting the situation and find out what their motive for not acting was. Was it staffing issues because of City funding or just plain neglect? One thing is for sure, we could learn from this by implementing active armed guards at schools. It’s okay for banks to protect your money with armed guards right? Why is your money more important than your children? Heck, at least set a couple of de commissioned military/ police vehicles. That could likely give these evil individuals second thoughts.
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So much derp in this thread.***
Jun 7, 2022, 9:13 PM
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Easily recognizable, right...?***
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Re: Easily recognizable, right...?***
Jun 7, 2022, 11:01 PM
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old jim hay hay exposed himself as a goose stepping nazi
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I'm a student of history.
Jun 7, 2022, 11:09 PM
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You're a student of NRA propaganda
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I'm not apologizing for standing with Thomas Jefferson
Jun 7, 2022, 11:29 PM
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While you stand with Timothy McVeigh.
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Re: I'm not apologizing for standing with Thomas Jefferson
Jun 7, 2022, 11:33 PM
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here is your confiscation idea, #4
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all
rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and
rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by
means of a national bank with State capital and an
exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and
transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production
owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of
waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in
accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of
industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing
industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between
town and country by a more equable distribution of the
populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools.
Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form.
Combination of education with industrial production,
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It would be protected by eminent domain.
Jun 7, 2022, 11:37 PM
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The government has a constitutional right to confiscate private property when there is a prevailing public good. See Kelo [2005].
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Re: It would be protected by eminent domain.
Jun 7, 2022, 11:40 PM
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so you are ok with manifesto point #4
you may recieve the tigernet hammer/sickle award
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Why are you quoting Communist literature?
Jun 7, 2022, 11:45 PM
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Off since I'm quoting the Constitution. I guess we know where your loyalties lie... Curious indeed.
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Re: Why are you quoting Communist literature?
Jun 7, 2022, 11:49 PM
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just to understand where you get your ideas
your ideas on confiscation of private property and prison for political enemies, makes sane people want to hold onto their guns
you are a fine gun salesman
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My beliefs are constitutionally sound.
Jun 7, 2022, 11:53 PM
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Yours are not. No matter how Red you go.
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Re: It would be protected by eminent domain.
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The government has a constitutional right to confiscate private property when there is a prevailing public good. See Kelo [2005].
Only if that firearm is suspected or has been involved in a crime. Please take a concealed weapons permit class. You’ll learn a lot! It’s not like call of duty, I promise you! Get off your couch for once!
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The government takes private property all the
Jun 7, 2022, 11:54 PM
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Time that hasn't been involved in a crime. Like in road expansions and building shopping malls.
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Re: The government takes private property all the
Jun 8, 2022, 12:00 AM
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Wow! I literally just said they confiscate I’m the event it is alleged or suspected on a crime. Literature is hard for some.
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Maybe if the Constitution had pictures you'd read ours.***
Jun 8, 2022, 8:21 AM
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Basically, you're a farce... Ying/Yang... Pro/Con... +/-...
Jun 7, 2022, 11:19 PM
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Walking the fence and falling off to either side periodically. Keep wandering.
I don't usually address it but your injections aren't easily ignored... Seems more like a politician catering for the current crowd.
Watch out for the loose rail...
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What?
Jun 7, 2022, 11:31 PM
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I've made it abundantly clear how I don't believe there is an individual, natural right manifest in the Founders framing of the Second Amendment.
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Then go stroke the 'gun' you got, boy... This "individual"
Jun 7, 2022, 11:48 PM
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ain't conceding. Bet.
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Good luck. Even SCOTUS thinks you're wrong.***
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