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Re: No one gets left out ...IF...this comes to fruition!
Jul 28, 2022, 11:38 AM
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Then we would have to figure the lag in finances and get that fixed and then everything would be a go.
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Good thing is Clemson....
Jul 28, 2022, 11:45 AM
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won't be left out of any scenario. I still see a few on here that worry about that. And they shouldn't. Dabo has even said as much. Next to ND, we are the most desirable.
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Re: Good thing is Clemson....
Jul 28, 2022, 1:55 PM
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Anyone who thinks we will see a 16 team playoff needs to slow down. The final 2 would play 17 games and that is too many. Also if it did go to 16 and the best 16 were included, there is no way the SEC or any other conference would have 5 or 6 teams because of the number of losses they would have.
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Re: No one gets left out ...IF...this comes to fruition!
Jul 28, 2022, 11:46 AM
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So 8 SEC teams, 5 BiG and 3 at large? Without context of what type of teams would be included I dont see how this helps other than to give the SEC bias more chances in case Bama goes down. If they go to 16 you better believe Sankey is going to want no limit on teams from a single conference. With their "Superconference" narrative there is no way that less than 6 SEC teams aren't included.
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If you support the idea of...
Jul 28, 2022, 11:46 AM
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including the best teams available regardless of whether they are conference champions, this would potentially eliminate the conference championship games. Who wants to risk losing a game that late in the season and getting knocked-out of the playoffs.
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Re: If you support the idea of...
Jul 28, 2022, 11:56 AM
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I feel that an expanded playoff that large dilutes the power of the conferences. The important games wouldn't be played until the playoffs. It's all kind of like basketball.
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Re: No one gets left out ...IF...this comes to fruition!
Jul 28, 2022, 12:02 PM
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So the National champion would play 18 games? Is this sustainable? I can see the players forming a union as soon as this is passed to get their share of the pie. Of course they could do things like go to an 11 game regular season and eliminate the conference CG but doubt they will as all they seem to care about is power plus money.
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Its not sustainable, so 2 things will happen, both bad:
Jul 28, 2022, 12:23 PM
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The regular season will be shortened. And the regular season games will be lessened in importance. Frankly, one of the major things that makes college football great, and much better than NFL, is that each game is typically of critical importance. If you want a shot to win it all, you have to win each weekend. Its pretty unique in all of sports. You start watering down the regular season, and you essentially take that way. What are you really left with at that point? Youre going to have SEC teams with 3 or 4 losses making the playoffs. How is that a better solution?
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Re: No one gets left out ...IF...this comes to fruition!
Jul 28, 2022, 12:04 PM
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IMO, 16 teams is too big. By the time your get to the championship, teams will be playing their third string because of injury. And will likely pro prospects opt to sit out to protect themselves? TV viewer football fatigue is a real possibility. Bad idea all around.
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Re: No one gets left out ...IF...this comes to fruition!
Jul 28, 2022, 12:20 PM
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IMO, 16 teams is too big. By the time your get to the championship, teams will be playing their third string because of injury. And will likely pro prospects opt to sit out to protect themselves? TV viewer football fatigue is a real possibility. Bad idea all around.
Agreed unless of course they decide to change the whole format. For example we could eliminate the CCGs then make the 12th game of the season a playoff games. For those teams not in the playoffs they could play a quality opponent that week. For example the 17th team could play the 18th ranked team and so on down the line so everyone would get a 12th game...just not a playoff game.
BTW i have zero confidence they will make a good decision other than finding the path to the most money.
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Re: No one gets left out ...IF...this comes to fruition!
Jul 28, 2022, 12:22 PM
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If this includes eliminating conference championship games, then this only adds one extra game for the finalists than where we are today. Top 8 seeds could host a first round at home (big incentive to be one of those via regular season performance - every game counts), then quarterfinals the weekend before Christmas at neutral sites, then pick up where the current CFP format operates. The 8 first round losers could be cast into the bowl game system so they would still have another game to play later in the month.
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Why don't we give everyone a participation trophy?***
Jul 28, 2022, 12:09 PM
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<SIGH> 16 is WAY too many teams
Jul 28, 2022, 12:15 PM
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There has never been, nor will there ever be 16 teams that has earned a chance to play for, nor has any chance of winning a national championship. The difference between teams ranked in the top 5 vs teams ranked 11-16 is monumental. You think we have blowouts in the playoffs now....just wait till that fiasco is implemented.
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Re: <SIGH> 16 is WAY too many teams
Jul 28, 2022, 12:24 PM
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This is also true. The ideal number for post-season really is 8. With 16 it's purely a financial play.
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Agree, 8 is the number. Maybe they will compromise and
Jul 28, 2022, 12:27 PM
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settle on 8.
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I see both points here (both good ones) playing
Jul 28, 2022, 12:31 PM
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Devil's advocate here only because I think 8 or 12 would be enough. The positives:
#1 - How cool right? More games AND there would be upsets along the way.
#2 - Makes the games all more important through-out the year. I think this is the biggest argument for 16 teams, no opt-outs. They are getting super annoying.
#3 - Clemson gets in every year even if we don't end up in the BIG10 or SEC.
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Explain your point #2, because I see it as the opposite
Jul 28, 2022, 12:47 PM
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Games will be measurably LESS important. Allowing that many into the playoffs significantly waters down the regular season (the importance of which makes college unique and infinitely more exciting than the NFL). Youre talking 3 and 4 loss teams potentially in the playoff vs 0 or 1 loss teams in it now.
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I see it like this
Jul 28, 2022, 12:50 PM
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if you're a team thats pretty decent but dropped a couple of games that you shouldn't have. Maybe as a player, you're not as excited about the last few games because you're out of the playoffs and so you choose to just opt-out.
Let's say that same team might still make the playoff it they beat their rival the last game of the season. I think you see less opt-outs and more motivation to win from the players. It makes the last few games MORE important, not less important.
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Counter point
Jul 28, 2022, 12:56 PM
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I see your point, and youre not wrong, per say. However, if said team DID in fact drop 2 games, chances are those 2 games were vs the only real challenges on their schedule. In which case, did they REALLY deserve a shot at a title? I mean they kind of already had that shot and blew it right? If the team folds after that, so be it. Let the teams that won their games keep grinding.
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Yeah I think we both have good points.
Jul 28, 2022, 1:01 PM
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I mean a team could maybe see one loss as not the "end of the world" so it makes it less important but I don't see that helping the opt-out situation. You know?
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Re: <SIGH> 16 is WAY too many teams
Jul 28, 2022, 1:25 PM
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Heck, we've had several years with the current format where it's hard to find a worthy #3 and #4 team for the playoff.
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My Biggest Thing Is "not being limited"
Jul 28, 2022, 12:41 PM
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All the Big 10 and SEC talk comes down to just whether or not Clemson football will be able to compete for a championship or not. If not, let's do what we have to in order to remain eligible to make the playoffs. I still have my doubts on if you could just simply ignore a team that has beaten the best from the Big 10 and SEC on the football field or not because of conference affiliation.
I am not as worried about the discrepancy in dollars going toward the athletic department overall. Because 430 million; while it isn't 560 or 586 million is still not "soup kitchen" like. If you are a fan more worried about that leading to field hockey, swimming and other non-revenue sports falling behind then: "yeah, I can understand the great sense of urgency to join up"!
If Clemson is one of the best teams out there; regardless of politics - "if the Tigers are eligible to play for championships none of the rest really matter" i.m.o.
A larger playoff - pretty much guarantees it.
In fact, 2nd place in the ACC "MIGHT" make it too. Do we now consider the American and Sunbelt conference champ?
To "stomp out all the paranoia and fear of exclusion" a larger number of teams in the playoffs would go a long way.
Especially if we are still using the current method to determine the top teams in the country after the super-conferences are formed.
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Thats silly.
Jul 28, 2022, 1:08 PM
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We will be saddled with 60-3 beat-downs in the first and probably 2nd round games. Make no mistake, this isnt about competition or inclusion. Its about money.
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Re: Thats silly.
Jul 28, 2022, 4:29 PM
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That's right. Most of the time, in the current format, the semi-final games are not very competitive.
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Re: No one gets left out ...IF...this comes to fruition!
Jul 28, 2022, 12:59 PM
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So if the 12 game schedule has to wrap in first week of December then does that mean no conference championship games? Everyone is going to want to save their effort for the playoff.
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Re: No one gets left out ...IF...this comes to fruition!
Jul 28, 2022, 1:42 PM
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The only problem with that proposal is the people that have power will still have 8 SEC teams in the top 16. They will talk about their brutal schedule that is propped up by playing lower tier teams and the SEC east teams. It is always amazing how they prop these teams up when they barely beat awful lower tier teams like Mercer or South Carolina.
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Re: No one gets left out ...IF...this comes to fruition!
Jul 28, 2022, 2:06 PM
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I can’t get behind the unbridled greed driving college football.
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Re: No one gets left out ...IF...this comes to fruition!
Aug 2, 2022, 10:25 AM
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16 team playoff is just another typical stupid idea by the morons that run things and have us in the current mess we are in. 8 is the very max it should be and even that is stretching it a bit. We are looking at some really boring blowout games
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