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Football Update: Forbes: The ACC's Third Tier Rights
Jun 4, 2012, 8:14 PM
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Legend [19240]
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Old Mike Hogwood and Doc Walker were happy as pigs in
Jun 4, 2012, 8:17 PM
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a slop.
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CU Guru [1895]
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Posted this in the other thread.
Jun 4, 2012, 8:24 PM
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How much more does having those one or two football games and few early season bball games add.
Looking at the list he posted and making a few adjustments (adding NCSU $49M/10yrs, changing Texas to $15M/year). It breaks down like this:
Big XII $8.38M/yr B1G: $8.29M/yr SEC: $7.27M/yr ACC: $6.33M/yr BE: $4.17M/yr ND: $2.6M/yr
Obviously this is no scientific study and more information is needed for the other ACC schools, but it looks to me that the difference is around $2M/year between the ACC and Big XII.
Now the question is this:
Is $2M/year worth more than the exposure provided by having every game broadcast by ESPN?
Anyway, I'm still not sold on the value of tier 3 rights. There is a reason they are given back to the schools and I would imagine we benefit from having all of them thrown together (Clemson FB/BB with UNC/Duke BBall, FSU/VT Football, etc.) than alone.
Also, we can and do still make money off of coaches shows, radio broadcasts, and nonrevenue sport broadcasts. I'm not sure what we make, but NCSU just signed a deal for 49M over 10 years (http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2012/03/15/Media/NC-State.aspx).
I don't think there is a significant difference between what we make now and what we would make with tier 3 football and bball rights.
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Raycom?***
Jun 4, 2012, 8:25 PM
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Re: Posted this in the other thread.
Jun 4, 2012, 8:33 PM
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With our own tier three rights alone I would tend to agree with you. But you look at what the Big Ten has done with their network using tier three rights and I think the glaring issue is that the ACC sees NONE of the 50 mil being paid to ESPN. It seems like there would be some benefit from ESPN to the ACC but from the renegotiated contract we just received I would say we saw minimal impact at all. If the ACC would just keep the current big games on ESPN and package the rest of the small stuff on an ACC network we as a conference would see a significant increase in dollars.
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Re: Posted this in the other thread.
Jun 4, 2012, 8:46 PM
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Thats the thing though. The ACC has kept the right to make an ACC network if it is feasible. That is part of what the 5 year look-ins are for.
There was a good article posted here last week or so about the ACC and ESPN's relationship with Raycom. It goes far beyond them buying games from espn and we do benefit from that relationship in other ways.
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Re: Posted this in the other thread.
Jun 4, 2012, 10:36 PM
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These five year look-ins are a joke. Five years from now the ACC isn't going to be around. Teams need money now to keep up appearances and compete for national tv exposure/recruits.
Also, please explain how we benefit from having Raycom in on this deal.
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Re: Football Update: Forbes: The ACC's Third Tier Rights
Jun 4, 2012, 8:26 PM
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This sounds about right. I doubt nothing that comes out about Swofford that is bad or corrupt. He is smarmy enough to be a coot, and we all suffer as a result.
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Re: Football Update: Forbes: The ACC's Third Tier Rights
Jun 4, 2012, 8:30 PM
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We got idiots at the wheel in the ACC
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I think this is the first I've heard a "third party" give
Jun 4, 2012, 8:50 PM
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credence to what we've been thinking all along.
regardless of Swofford's involvement or not in our extended probation, he should go.
In his tenure - the ACC has slipped in football power rankings - the Big East has lapped the ACC in basketball prowess - TV contracts make a well respected financial publication guess to what conspiracy made the conference sign such a lowly deal.
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Raycom pays $50 mil. a year to have broadcast rights....
Jun 4, 2012, 8:57 PM
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and member schools see none of it.
Think about that.
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What does that mean? Who gets it?
Jun 4, 2012, 9:16 PM
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Does it stay with the ACC and is it used to promote all ACC programs? Does it go toward the various olympic sport championships?
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good questions...
Jun 4, 2012, 9:20 PM
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but that's the ACC negotiating on behalf of member schools
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I think that's probably right***
Jun 4, 2012, 9:23 PM
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Correct.
Jun 4, 2012, 9:27 PM
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Raycom pays ESPN who payed us in the first place.
Which of course brings us to the obvious conclusion: We were already paid for them!
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Bottom line...
Jun 4, 2012, 9:31 PM
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ACC tier 1, 2 and 3 rights are less than Big 12 1st and 2nd tiers. Add in the Big 12 tier 3 rights and the difference is significant.
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So... what you are saying is....
Jun 4, 2012, 9:45 PM
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The ACC contract, in full, is 17 mil. a year... and that includes all 3 tiers.
The Big XII is listed as 20 mil, with just the first two tiers.
And we're supposed to think that we're getting a good deal?
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Re: So... what you are saying is....
Jun 4, 2012, 9:53 PM
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we will avg 17 mil at the end of 15 yrs. Only get $12 mm next yr.
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What I'm saying is...
Jun 4, 2012, 9:56 PM
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We do make money off of tier 3. Just because we do not have the rights to football and basketball does not mean we do not make money (NCSU just signed a deal for 49M over 10 years).
My question from the beginning has been how much more money do we make by keeping the rights to FB/Bball. Looking at last season, how many games did we even have on Raycom/ESPN3?
I doubt that it is significant money. Also, what price do you put on exposure? Right now our high profile games are nationally broadcast and our lower profile games will be shown from Miami to Boston.
Anyway, bottom line I dont see anything about a switch to the Big XII that would bring significant money to Clemson.
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40% increase is SIGNIFICANT
Jun 4, 2012, 10:10 PM
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And from everything I've read, that will be on the low side.
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Tiers 1 and 2... with a championship game... and the
Jun 4, 2012, 10:16 PM
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Champions Bowl... could push 27 million per team... or more
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Re: Tiers 1 and 2... with a championship game... and the
Jun 5, 2012, 4:34 AM
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Where do y'all get these numbers?
The SEC just wrote checks to their member schools and it was $20 million per school. This is BEFORE adding two more teams and CBS is balking at paying more money to the conference.
I think the Big 12 is planning to pay about $20 mil per school right now with 10 schools. So in order for each of the 12 schools to get $27 million the entire pot will need to increase by $124 million. You really think this makes sense?
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It doesn't but since he read it somewhere it must be true...***
Jun 5, 2012, 5:08 AM
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The University of North Carolina for one...
Jun 4, 2012, 10:57 PM
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The owner of Raycom Sports is UNC alum and a major donor and, of course, John Swofford's son Chad who is the Senior Director of New Media and Business Development at Raycom Sports.
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That should be a firable offense!!!!
Jun 4, 2012, 9:25 PM
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No way to justify that. Nepotism at its worst!!!
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Re: That should be a firable offense!!!!
Jun 4, 2012, 9:58 PM
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ABSOLUTELY!! but has #### barker said one word???? NOOOOOOO
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Has any conference president said anything? Would have to
Jun 4, 2012, 10:21 PM
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go through proper channels.
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Everyone should email this article to Swofford and TDP.
Jun 4, 2012, 9:58 PM
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Ask Swofford to explain himself and ask TDP why are we putting up with this crap.
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People who know what they are
Jun 4, 2012, 10:12 PM
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Looking at say Big 12 could mean 8 to 10 million more a year for Clemson. Texas makes about 15 million extra.
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Is this grounds for Clemson to contest the penalty for
Jun 4, 2012, 11:35 PM
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Leaving the ACC?
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Ding Ding! We certainly could argue that Swofturd
Jun 5, 2012, 6:53 AM
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caused us irreparable harm with his "negotiations."
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Nepotism, Conflict Of Interest .......
Jun 5, 2012, 12:33 AM
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If this story is accurate, then Swofford is indeed suspect...
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Re: Nepotism, Conflict Of Interest .......
Jun 5, 2012, 7:49 AM
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I guess our shxxty contract woudnt be so shxxty if we didnt have to pay swofford"s son. Why is he still commissioner? I forget?
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How much more of this are we supposed to take? It's
Jun 5, 2012, 8:17 AM
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high time we open our eyes and see the situation for what it is--rotten to the core. I don't know what it's going to take for some to wake up and see we're getting royally skrewwed by the ACC---err, the Swoffords.
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