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Interesting quote from Mac Lain
Dec 19, 2015, 12:32 PM
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“We had a great scheme for Cole, but that was something maybe Deshaun wouldn’t have been able to do,” Mac Lain said. “They’re different people, and I think throughout the season, Cole didn’t get too fair of a shake with some of the things we asked him to do just because he’s not that type of player. Him and Deshaun are two different quarterbacks, two different athletes, so you can’t really expect them to do the same things. I think we just had a great plan for him, and the results showed so.”
Throwing Morris under the bus a little bit it seems in regards to his ability to adjust to his personnel.
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Re: Interesting quote from Mac Lain
Dec 19, 2015, 12:37 PM
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or praising scott and elliot.
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"Cole didn't get too fair of a shake"
Dec 19, 2015, 12:39 PM
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Seems like shade at Morris to me.
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Re: Interesting quote from Mac Lain
Dec 19, 2015, 12:40 PM
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but what he said was spot on. If we had had Streeter all year, Cole might have had a different year. And how many on here complained that Chad was too stubborn to make adjustments? Plus Cole said Morris never had time for him. The players know whats going on...
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Re: Interesting quote from Mac Lain
Dec 19, 2015, 12:46 PM
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welp, things worked out and look where we are at. chad was stuck in his ways and kept with what got him to clemson. I am glad that we have two energetic and innovative young coaches. They deserve all the praise in the world for the way the season shaked out, and this was a team that always had an answer when our backs where against the wall.
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Of course. No one is trying to take away from Elliot and
Dec 19, 2015, 12:49 PM
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Scott. I just found it interesting that a player said what a lot of people saw, and that was Morris' inability to adjust. By the same token, it shows how good at adjusting Elliot and Scott are.
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YES again!***
Dec 19, 2015, 12:57 PM
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I posted many times about how much better Streeter was for
Dec 19, 2015, 12:54 PM
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Cole than Morris! Morris did not change his great gameplan for DW4 to Cole, which was very unfair to Stoudt. Morris, thinking DW4 would last whole game, gave away the minimized "20 plays for Cole" to the public, which GT d back confirmed after game - "We were prepared for everything Clemson QB did."
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three weeks to heal up helped too***
Dec 19, 2015, 6:27 PM
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Is there anything Cole really did well though? What's the
Dec 19, 2015, 12:59 PM
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strength to scheme around? He was a very poor deep ball thrower, had a weak arm in general, his pocket presence wasn't very good, and he threw some AWFUL AWFUL interceptions. He did have a really nice game against OU, but am i supposed to believe that 1 game is a better representation of Cole Stoudt than the other ~10 where he really struggled?
Cole needed to be a game manager in an offense that leaned on the running game and took the pressure off him as a QB, but we just didn't have the ability to do that in the majority of games last season.
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Cole thrived on the quick passing game
Dec 19, 2015, 1:05 PM
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Morris tried to turn him into Watson and make him a dual threat guy who could chuck it, and he simply wasn't. He's much more of an air raid, get it out quick type of player. And that's what Scott/Elliot turned him into.
The times where Cole looked good last season was when we got the tempo rolling and he could get the ball out fast.
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Yes, that one game - haven't you read those posts above?
Dec 19, 2015, 1:08 PM
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A coach makes a big difference - game planning means so much and Morris did his game planning for DW4 and threw Cole under the bus! WAKE UP!
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Have you ever been asked to do something you couldn't do?
Dec 19, 2015, 2:04 PM
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Try understanding the level of stress Cole suffered from being asked to do something he couldn't do by remembering when it was demanded of you to do something you couldn't do. Then get back to me.
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It's true, also with the QB position being more important
Dec 19, 2015, 1:07 PM
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than ever,it's best to have a dedicated QB coach.
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Re: Interesting quote from Mac Lain
Dec 19, 2015, 1:15 PM
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Lots of players think they know more than the coaches.
Lots of coaches have issues changing based on players. Urban is a genius when he has Tebow, Alex Smith, Braxton Miller, Barrett, and Cardale. He doesn't and has "health issues" when he has John Brantley. Rich Rod is good with Shaun King, Dantzler, Pat White, and Denard Robinson. He lost the Michigan fans in year 1 running his system with slow white guys.
Chad could have tailored more, but Cole was throwing late over the middle too against bad teams. It's the past and we have a healthy Deshaun, so who cares.
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I try to be careful what I say about Chad.
Dec 19, 2015, 2:00 PM
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I'm old and have long ago learned that most people eventually tune into truth.
Folks are reconciling to the fact that Chad was all about Chad. I suspected he'd just about run his course and though Dabo used him for a few years to kick start an offense I think it was a symbiotic relationship in which neither suffered much loss or took advantage of the other.
Chad got exactly what Chad wanted, a shot at the big time back in Texas. Dabo got what he wanted, a pliable, intense and fruitful offensive coordinator that wouldn't make a lateral move or extort raises every year from Clemson. Even better, Dabo has two. Either one can fill any void left by the other when the other takes a head coaching job. That's good for all involved.
Though it wasn't popular to repeat, a few of us knew Chad had filled Dabo's purpose for having him at Clemson. I, for one, was glad he's gone. I was furious that he was applying for a head coaching position every year and irate that so many believed that Clemson's offense would be decimated when he left.
It was clear that Cole couldn't run the read/option. It was obvious that he always handed the ball to the RB to me and every defense he faced. There was no option to it. We deceived defenses into the perfect place to stop our rush. I thank Mac for saying what many knew.
Morris climbed under the bus, no one has blamed anything on him. Mac was just pointing out that Cole's natural abilities and talents were not utilized. That alone disqualifies a coach from me considering him a good coach. Chad's goal was to display 'Chad's offense.' We at a higher level without him.
Good luck and good riddance.
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Re: I try to be careful what I say about Chad.
Dec 19, 2015, 3:00 PM
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Love your post. Concur
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Why are you so bitter?
Dec 19, 2015, 6:16 PM
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He interviewed for 2 jobs, both in 2012 - NC State and TX Tech. That is it. His name was thrown around as a candidate for tons of jobs, but those and SMU were the only schools that he spoke to. It isn't Chad's fault every opening had his name attached to it.
He brought a great offense to our school, which we can grow and make our own - just as he took Malzahn's offense and adapted it to what he wanted it to be.
Please name some good coaches then. Every coach has had instances where they run their system with players who can't maximize it. Granted it was garabge time, but Cole never had gross errors running the system from 2011-2013. There have been plenty of people blaming Chad for not running enough, or whatever. Tony and Jeff have a better O-Line and QB this year than Chad ever did at Clemson. I'm not taking anything away from them, but it will take time to evaluate how they are. We should be thankful to Chad for believing in Dabo and his vision. He was offered the Tulsa HC job days after becoming our OC because Todd Graham bolted to Pitt.
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I do not rebut your comments in an way....
Dec 19, 2015, 6:39 PM
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that being said however, Chad's tenure here was exactly what Clemson needed and may not have been done so well by any other OC in America at the time, all things being considered.
It was the perfect hire; it worked out perfectly; it ended well. What's not to like?
Maybe him being short term was the best thing that could happen to Clemson, to Dabo, to Venables, to Elliott, and to Scott. Not everyone needs to be a lifelong hire - businesses are finding that out every day now.
So for that I thank Coach Morris and wish him nothing but good things in the rest of his career. We're always in his debt.
And he, ours....
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Re: Interesting quote from Mac Lain
Dec 19, 2015, 3:12 PM
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More interesting is the first sentence: We had a great scheme for Cole, but that was something maybe Deshaun wouldn’t have been able to do,”. Wondering what things Cole might be better at than DW?
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