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If Money Means Everything; then why does
Jul 6, 2022, 6:49 PM
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Why does the Big 10 get a pass when it comes to their performance on the field? The big 10 pays out more money to it's member programs than any other conference; yes including the SEC.
Yet, since 2000 only Ohio State has won a championship or played for one! 22 years.
During that same time period "CURRENT ACC" schools have been to or won the National Title. Clemson - 4 NCG appearances and 2 titles and a couple of semi-final appearances. During one of the national title runs Clemson embarrassed the Big 10 "big dog" in a dominant fashion. Miami has played for it 2 times during the same time period winning 1 and being robbed by OSU on the other(02 - fake p.i. call). FSU won it in 2013 and made the playoffs in 2014. Virginia Tech played for it in 2000; coming up short.
Yet, the woeful Big 10, "is the football conference with all these resources! With all this money! How come all that money didn't equate to more appearances than these lowly(so-called) ACC schools then?
https://footballscoop.com/news/heres-how-much-each-power-5-conference-made-last-year
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Re: If Money Means Everything; then why does
Jul 6, 2022, 7:09 PM
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It is not the performance of the best team, it is about what the product is worth and how many people will buy it. The BIG10 is the conference of history, huge schools, huge alumni bases and huge TV markets. The ACC is none of those things. When we made the Playoffs, we and every ACC enjoyed the benefits and the years the BIG10 did not have a Playoff team, they didn't get that pot of money. That is how winners are rewarded.
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Re: If Money Means Everything; then why does
Jul 6, 2022, 7:45 PM
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VB - I understand. My point is; that they didn't make it despite having all the things you mentioned over "little ole Clemson"!
This is really so some of the worry-warrens can pipe down a bit. It's getting in some people's heads that the sky is falling! A lot of this stuff has been happening behind closed doors for years(NIL stuff).
They may hurt Clemson's athletic program top to bottom with a lesser TV deal, but as long as Dabo is HC I see us putting a competitive team on the field.
Those schools have been able to pay players in a secret way better "for years" in other words!
Guess it's all about the Benjamins after all! I was allowing myself to be a bit naive, LOL!
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There’s more than just the money in the equation.
Jul 8, 2022, 11:48 PM
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You’re cherry picking data.
You actually not very smart. You don’t know how to critically think. You definitely didn’t know how to dig into the data.
You’re assuming that every school in the SEC cares about football equally. That every school in the Big Ten cares about football equally. You assume every school in those two conferences are spending the same amount of money on football.
Do you think every school in the SEC and every school in the Big Ten has facilities like Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State? Of course not. That’s ridiculous. But you’re simply saying oh look all the schools get the same amount of money but they’re not all being great in football. Because there are other factors.
Here’s what you need to look at. The schools that are the tops in college football and consistently in the top 20. Look at how much they are spending on football. Look at their facilities. Look at their commitment top to bottom from the board of trustees all the way down to the water boy in regards to football. All of the top programs are spending the most money. They are committed to football excellence.
Let the SEC and Big Ten make twice as much money as everybody else for the next 10 years. Then look at the top 20 and tell me where Clemson and other schools that don’t join the SEC and Big Ten are. They’re not going to be competing for national championships I can tell you that right now. If you think they are you need to go have your head examined.
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$200,000,000 (at least)
Jul 9, 2022, 2:21 AM
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That's how much more money every single school in the B1G and SEC have made than us in the last 10 years.
So how in the world and our tiny income become the 2nd best program over the last 10 years?
How will more money change anything? Money does NOT make for good football programs. I mean, you are aware that UofSC and Vandy have made roughly $200 million more than us in the last 10 years, right? UofSC has made a freakin boatload more money than us since they joined the SEC. How has it helped them surpass us? How will more money help anyone surpass us?
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First, you need to learn how to read and comprehend.
Jul 9, 2022, 4:47 AM
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I clearly stated it’s more than just money.
But if you think the kind of money they’re going to make more than Clemson over the next 10 to 20 years it’s not going to make a difference then you’re just stupid.
You people act like the game hasn’t changed dramatically in the last two or three years. The game has radically changed the last few years. And if Clemson is not in the SEC or God for bid the Big Ten who exactly are they going to be playing on Saturdays? They’re not gonna be playing Georgia. The TV contracts are going to change. The games are going to change. Clemson isn’t going to be getting those 730 Saturday night time slots. All of the focus all of the oxygen in the room is going to be taken up by the SEC in the Big Ten. Radically more than it is today. The transfer portal will become even bigger than it is now. NUL. Clemson doesn’t have billionaire alumni like these other programs.
I mean seriously. Are you people just stupid? Really. You can’t be this dumb. You can’t think the way the landscape is radically changing that any program that’s not in one of these two super conferences is going to be relevant.
Every step of the way the ACC has been reacting. Scrambling to do something to save their ###. And Clemson is stupidly acting like a good little boy and getting on their knees for the ACC.
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Re: First, you need to learn how to read and comprehend.
Jul 9, 2022, 5:32 AM
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Yes, there's a good possibility that we will be subjugated to a "group of 5" like status, if we remain, eventually-
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Those two conferences have 16 teams each.
Jul 9, 2022, 6:49 AM
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Do you have some knowledge that they're going to get bigger, or are you just making wild speculations while calling people "stupid"? Who the hell are you anyway?
It's ALL about money. Two conferences by themselves are not going to happen. That's nothing but talk.
Yet again, if for some crazy reason the B1G and SEC want to try and can run all of college football, then they will expand. If they do that, then they will not pass up on a top 15 program of all-time and the 2nd best team of the modern era. And of they stay at 16 teams, then the ACC will add two teams, and the Big 12 and Pac 12 can piece together the rest. 64 teams in the P4 is a lot like 65 teams in the P5, no?
So have the B1G and SEC already received these $100 million per school TV contracts, or are you just speculating? Are you also speculating that there will only be two conferences vying for the national championship? Of course you're speculating. You can't speculate than call others "stupid" because you feel your speculation is more accurate than someone else's speculation.
Further, your speculated money, what is that going to do that we can't do, assuming we don't make more money? What will the money do? Will it buy better coaches? Like who? You think someone is going to steal Dabo with the lure of more money? Will Nick Saban move to the B1G because they make more money? Who are all these great coaches and where are they now, and why haven't the B1G and SEC already bought them? Better players? I'm sure you know a school can't buy a player, right? At least not legally, and if they're doing illegally how has it helped them and hurt us? How has the $20 million (min) per year every school in the B1G and SEC, and Texas and Oklahoma, and USC and UCLA, how has that helped them win football games? The richest program in America,
Texas, why aren't they winning more with all that money? You do realize they've long been making boatloads of money and have their own network, right? So why haven't they even made the playoffs yet? How will even more money help them make the playoffs?when will you finally explain what money is going to do to make teams play better?
Where are you getting all of your speculation, Twitter?
Who are all these schools with billionaire alumni, and why haven't they risen to the top long ago? The NIL and expansion are completely unrelated, and schools aren't going to buy players with their TV money. You seem confused.
How has the game "changed" the last two or three years?
How will two 16 team conferences keep Clemson or Oregon, for example, from making the playoffs? Do you think just because they have more teams that means more of them will get in? Don't they still have to play each other? Clemson is one of the top 15 most-watched football programs in the country, playing in the ACC, and obviously nearly every single game is on TV. Why would people stop watching us play? Are they creating new teams, or maybe just a couple new matchups? While there will be some new matchups in the expanded conferences, it's not like all those teams weren't on TV prior to expansion. They only added two more teams for crying out loud. Why wouldn't UGA and Clemson play? Why will the transfer portal be "bigger"? And how do you know what Clemson and the ACC are doing? You don't. Just like every bit of speculation you keep posting, you domatches? So stop calling other people "stupid" because they don't share in your wild imagination.
The bottom line is, whether your (speculative) two megaconferences come about and they need teams like Clemson, or if four 16 team conferences become the new structure, Clemson ain't going anywhere.
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Re: Those two conferences have 16 teams each.
Jul 9, 2022, 3:54 PM
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I agree, while calling him stupid he basically confirmed everything he said lol.
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You are living in a fantasy.
Jul 9, 2022, 4:07 PM
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There are not going to be four conferences with 16 teams. There aren’t that many programs that matter. Even now there are only a handful of programs left that aren’t already in the SEC and the Big Ten that matter.
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Link to your facts, please.***
Jul 9, 2022, 5:07 PM
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Listen to sports radio.
Jul 11, 2022, 4:25 PM
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Watch ESPN. Watch Fox Sports. Watch CBS Sports. Watch 24/7. Talk to anyone that knows anything about college football.
Just last night Kornheiser and Wilbon were saying there’s only two schools left that matter in college football not already in one of the two sleeper conferences, the words they use, the words everyone else already used, about the Big Ten and the SEC, super conferences, and those two schools are Clemson and Notre Dame.
Some people include Oregon, North Carolina, Miami, and Florida State. But other than those schools and Clemson and Notre Dame no one else matters. No one else moves the needle. No one else has the fan base or the name. Everyone else that matters is already in the SEC or the Big Ten.
Everyone in the media world everyone in the sports world is calling them the two superconferences. The business world the advertising world.
You folks pushing this four conference thing or saving the ACC or we’re fine, you people are delusional. I mean you’re seriously approaching Hunter Biden territory.
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Re: Those two conferences have 16 teams each.
Jul 12, 2022, 7:47 AM
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I've come to the point in my life where I have grown very confident that self professed intelligence is an indication the speakers wants the world to believe they are inherently better than the rest of us. Self professed intelligence is to such people a statement that, no matter how they might to utilize their intelligence, to include not using it, they are special and above reproach.
Stated otherwise, such people are terribly fearful of rejection and wish to disarm everyone around them before such others discover the claimant isn't so special after all.
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Re: Those two conferences have 16 teams each.
Jul 12, 2022, 12:27 PM
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Ithaca - "interesting post"!
I think I know what you are getting at; but you were somewhat cryptic.
The one poster on here that attacks everyone; is on igg! So, not sure who that was for. If me, I guess I would need some more info on the reason for it.
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Re: First, you need to learn how to read and comprehend.
Jul 9, 2022, 12:35 PM
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Why are you being so condescending to anyone that has a differing opinion? This is a discussion board. Is everyone other than you idiotic, unintelligent, dumb, stupid( and that’s just this thread)? Is the vitriol a result of all the lockers you were stuffed into as a teenager?
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Because stupid people should be called stupid. .
Jul 9, 2022, 4:05 PM
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I’m all for an intelligent conversation. These people aren’t having intelligent conversations. If you think the ACC is going to be just fine. If you think Clemson won’t be left out if they don’t join the SEC or the Big Ten you’re stupid. You’re living in a fantasy world. He said there’s not gonna be two super conferences. There already are two super conferences! These people aren’t living in reality. You can’t have a rational conversation with people that don’t live in reality.
It’s like trying to have a conversation with people that have Trump derangement syndrome. It’s like trying to explain the statistics and the science of Covid to people that think vaccines work and you have to wear a mask and you have to shut down schools when there’s never been one shred of evidence for that and those people refuse to admit they were wrong when we now have the data from the FDA and Pfizer. When the CDC has put out a report saying the lockdowns didn’t work. We have rocksolid prove the things that people like me and others were saying 2 1/2 years ago. Things that statistics and common sense and science supported what people denied for whatever screwed up reason.
So no. You can’t have an intelligent conversation with some people. And when they deny reality they deserve to be called stupid.
There are only a handful of programs left that the SEC and the Big Ten value. Clemson, Oregon, North Carolina, Florida State, Miami, maybe one or two more. Notre Dame.
The ACC is toast! It’s done. It’s been irrelevant for years to begin with in college football. Yes Clemson has been great the last 10 years. The rest of the ACC sucks. Miami and Florida State have potential. Miami much more than Florida State. The SEC would probably love to have Miami and Clemson. The Big Ten would love to have Oregon and Notre Dame. After that everyone else is probably going to be locked out.
People have been talking for years about the power five tell them the NCAA to shove it. You get Clemson and Miami to the SEC and Oregon and Notre Dame to the Big Ten they tell the NCAA to shut it and create their own playoff. That will be worth billions to those programs. College football will become the NFL and everyone else. Those two conferences will be like the NFL and everyone else will be the minor leagues.
This isn’t about sentimentality and academics and all kinds of other crap.. This is 100% about money and television revenues. Anyone that can’t see that is deluding themselves.
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In all honesty .
Jul 9, 2022, 4:28 PM
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I don’t mean to call people stupid. I voice dictate for several reasons. I don’t go back and edit very often. That’s why there are often errors and mistakes that would get caught with an edit. Therefore, my post tend to be very off the cuff. They’re not edited or curated. They’re what I’m thinking at the time that I’m posting.
That being said, it’s not that they are dumb or stupid, but they keep making dumb and stupid arguments. Dumb and stupid comments. It’s like they’ve never paid attention to what Kirk Herbstreit and lots of other experts that have tons of connections are saying. Yes. Experts get things wrong often. But we already have two super conferences. This has been happening for over a year now. The game is radically shifting. There are only a handful of relevant programs left. People have been talking about kicking the NCAA to the curb for years. The ACC hasn’t been relevant in years and it is becoming a joke. Given white is already in place the ACC is already toast. None of these things are controversial. This is all fact.
When you have people denying the reality that’s slapping them in the face why do you ask would you call them? What else would you call their comments and arguments that don’t hold up to scrutiny.
I’m not trying to be mean or a jerk. I’m just calling it like it is. If you stand in the middle of a field during a lightning storm you’re not very bright.
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So what will the money do?***
Jul 9, 2022, 4:55 PM
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There not investing much of that tv rev in football****
Jul 9, 2022, 5:28 AM
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One thing you probably don't understand...
Jul 9, 2022, 12:48 PM
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is the TV revenue gap is about to grow from $20M/year to over $50M/year. A new world order in CFB is coming. As great as Dabo is, even he can't overcome that.
More money doesn't guarantee success but a vast chasm of difference in money will guarantee mediocrity (at best).
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Yet again, every team in the B1G and SEC have made
Jul 9, 2022, 2:57 PM
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$200,000,000 (MIN) more money than Clemson in the last 10 years alone. That can build whatever they want, they could've hired whoever they want. So what has stopped them? Maybe all that extra money doesn't really change things once you get to a certain amount. We have facilities on par with anyone and obviously the 2nd winningest program of the last decade. What will money change? Folks keep talking about money like it makes for good football programs, but what about the fact EVERY team in the those two conferences has made two boatloads more money than we have as we've risen to the top. So what are those other programs lacking? Money? At nearly a billion dollars for each program in those conferences over the last 10 years, can you name a single program it has changed?
Why haven't they ran over Clemson already? How has Dabo obviously overcame it?
And you're assuming the ACC won't expand and get a new contract too. Regardless, can you or anyone please explain how even more money will change what we've seen the last 10 years and a $200M deficit?
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People keep answering you but you aren’t listening.
Jul 9, 2022, 4:13 PM
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If you have an incompetent administration money won’t matter. If you don’t invest that money in your football program the money doesn’t matter. If your culture doesn’t value football the money won’t matter. The Big Ten used to be great in college football but now really only Florida State. Why? Population trans. Demographics. The Midwest is dying. The south is growing. There are lots of reasons beyond money. But money is the number one factor. Why do all of the top programs have in common with the exception of Clemson? They all have the biggest budgets and the most money. Clemson has spent money like a big boy because we Issue bonds to build facilities, but that is not sustainable long-term. Other programs pay cash.
Seriously, how old are you, did you go to Clemson, what did you study? Have you ever taken an economics class? I really want to know the answer to these questions.
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You didn't answer any of my questions.
Jul 9, 2022, 5:05 PM
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Not one.
Do you chug energy drinks when you're posting? You seem like you do.
You just keep throwing spaghetti at the wall hoping it sticks.
Can you answer any of the questions I asked you? Please stop typing all those things you're imagining as if it's already done, and answer the questions. Mmmkay?
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We are answering your questions
Jul 11, 2022, 4:27 PM
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You’re too ####### stupid to understand! Your head is so far up your ####### ### you’re not getting it.
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If you’re so smart
Jul 11, 2022, 4:33 PM
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Why does basically the entire sports world disagree with you.?
Let’s say by some freakish miracle you’re right. It doesn’t matter. The rest of the world says you’re wrong and the rest of the world is going to move in the direction we’re already moving.
It’s like a stampede. You to get out of the way or you get run over.
But for the sake of argument let’s say you’re right. You’re not. You’re dumb as ####### dirt. You’re fixated on one little thing. Which by the way there’s numerous reasons for that which have been explained to you multiple times. You’re confusing causation with correlation. But let’s just say you’re right. How does that solve anything? How does that help Clemson? Because everyone else disagrees with you and those are the people making the decisions. So Clemson stays in the SEC and lets Oregon and Miami and the last handful of programs that matter join one of the two super conferences? And yes there already are two super conferences. The SEC in the Big Ten are now super conferences and that’s what everybody in the sports and business world is calling them. If you disagree with that you’re not living in reality. So how does that benefit Clemson?
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Re: One thing you probably don't understand...
Jul 9, 2022, 3:41 PM
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is the TV revenue gap is about to grow from $20M/year to over $50M/year. A new world order in CFB is coming. As great as Dabo is, even he can't overcome that.
More money doesn't guarantee success but a vast chasm of difference in money will guarantee mediocrity (at best).
MoCity - but I do understand My friend!
And, I am as well as a few others are simply asking, why if what everyone predicts to be such a glaring issue hasn't it "already manifested itself"?
Those SEC and Big 10 schools are not just coming into this disparity of money compared to everyone else. It's been the case for years/decades!
And to your last sentence, not to be argumentative, but what is the difference between having 200 million more to going to 400 million more - if that gap hasn't assisted your winning and guaranteed you anything already?
I am probably not expressing it well enough, but in my mind, it's a simple question that has historical data we can reference! As in the last 10 to 20 years! The data is there to be analyzed.
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Because there wasn’t as much change in the game.
Jul 9, 2022, 4:17 PM
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The landscape has totally changed. Changing demographics. The Midwest is dying. The south is growing. Different programs have different priorities. Lots of programs have money, but if their administration is incompetent that money won’t matter. There are a lot of factors.
Clemson has spent money like bigger programs because Clemson has issued bonds to pay for our facilities. That is not sustainable long-term when you’re trying to keep up with programs that are going to be making more than twice as much money in 5 to 10 years. How long can Clemson keep spending money that’s being borrowed when other schools are spending twice as much and that money is cash. It’s basic economics.
Clemson issued bonds when interest rates were 2%. Have you seen interest rates today? Again. It’s simple economics.
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So it is all about the money?
Jul 9, 2022, 5:18 PM
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1. What will more money do?
2. How have we become the 2nd best program in America when we brought in $200,000,000 less than every school in the B1G and SEC?
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Re: So it is all about the money?
Jul 9, 2022, 6:42 PM
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1. What will more money do?
2. How have we become the 2nd best program in America when we brought in $200,000,000 less than every school in the B1G and SEC?
Exactly!
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Re: If Money Means Everything; then why does
Jul 9, 2022, 7:02 AM
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The easiest way to look at it is how many people watch. The more eyeballs you get the more money you get. Think of some of the bottom teams in the ACC that nobody watches play.
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Re: If Money Means Everything; then why does
Jul 9, 2022, 11:56 AM
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The easiest way to look at it is how many people watch. The more eyeballs you get the more money you get. Think of some of the bottom teams in the ACC that nobody watches play.
This is a good way to look at it and is true!
However, I think the disconnect here is: "that's been the case and it's been the case that the Big 10 schools, as well as SEC schools, have been compensated more than Clemson/ACC schools for a long time now"!
AllOrange 247365 spelled it out better than me. Where has it gotten those programs that have made all that money? In fact, those big state universities with just as large of a stadium and following as Clemson - where the Hades - have they been?
That's the question; if Money is the end all be all of whether or not you win football games or not. Hades - Tennessee stadium last I checked is larger than Alabama's. And the Vols have a huge following. I mean, it didn't save their behinds last year against the less fortunate in terms of money and ACC member Pittsburgh! How did the Panthers manage? And, I seem to recall Tennessee had some success over the last few years in recruiting. Even taking Crouch(A Clemson target) from Charlotte.
I think people's fear and anxiety over this is premature is all. Glad I am not alone in seeing past the propaganda! Easy i.m.o to see past as if one looked back over Clemson's modern run of success much larger fan base having; better TV contract money having schools can't claim the same run of success.
Long term somebody might say is the difference. By then though, I see other things being put in place to slow down some of the craziness. Or NO LESS THAN a National Championship for those schools who "don't qualify" for the $$$$$$$$ league! That is assuming Clemson does not get invited to either the Big 10 or SEC. Could Clemson survive as an independent if those two conference schools; have to schedule them? The NCAA still has some influence(not sure on scheduling or not but clearly they have some influence on conference rules like championship game qualifiers and such.).
Being #4 a full year into NIL in recruiting - is something else the same crowd that has the "it can't be done w/o the SEC or Big 10 is yet another example of jumping the gun on how things will be as it relates to Clemson"!
If it's all about the money and TV contracts and large alumni bases - how is that?
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Re: If Money Means Everything; then why does
Jul 9, 2022, 1:05 PM
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Hillock. I agree you don't have to as much money to compete with the SEC and the Big. I was just stating why they had more money, TV ratings.
With that said the gap is only going to get bigger and that will become a problem in the future.
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Clemson is a coveted program for TV.
Jul 9, 2022, 3:03 PM
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https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-bring-in-the-most-tv-viewers-efc03c689e50
Clemson clearly has a brand on par with or better than most anyone in the P5.
ESPN, Fox, whoever, they want to show Clemson. I'm sure you get it, but some don't. It's about a seat at the table, brand, and advertising money. When you have a top 10 viewership, people want you to carry their advertising.
No matter how all the chaos shakes out, Clemson will have a seat at the table.
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some people say "as long as we have Dabo", we don't need the
Jul 9, 2022, 12:12 PM
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most money available. But we won't always have Dabo, so you need to prepare now for that future. And you never want to be short of money, it's ok to have too much and not need it. So never leave money on the table.
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Re: some people say "as long as we have Dabo", we don't need the
Jul 9, 2022, 12:35 PM
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most money available. But we won't always have Dabo, so you need to prepare now for that future. And you never want to be short of money, it's ok to have too much and not need it. So never leave money on the table.
Stated as you did: "I can get on board with that for sure. Agreed, Dabo is a special talent with the gift to gab and make people believe"!
Thinking of it in the hopefully long haul - then I guess I can understand! I just feel like we are National Champions last year with better offense and NIL was underway! I like our chances this season if every one of the new coaches is we I think they are. Be great to debunk the thought early in this NIL world.
But, you're right on not having Dabo forever!
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Re: If Money Means Everything; then why does
Jul 9, 2022, 6:47 PM
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That’s good challenge. Draw the box around the conference and assess results to date.
Not completely unfair; a little maybe..
That aspect might be a barometer of efficacy of revenue applied to a conference.
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Re: If Money Means Everything; then why does
Jul 9, 2022, 6:58 PM
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Teams have a ceiling. The BIG is not in an area where recruits have (SEC) speed so they are typically bring it out types. Ohio recruits the south so they have more speed plus the linemen in their area. It’s why they dominate the conference. The thing is money spent has diminishing returns but when a school has 2x as much they will typically have the best of everything with better results.
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Re: If Money Means Everything; then why does
Jul 9, 2022, 7:12 PM
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Jstone D329 - if that last sentence is true; how do you explain the ineptness of Tennessee, Kentucky, Michigan for most of the last two decades, Arkansas, Illinois, Nebraska, etc.?
They are all bigger than little ole Clemson! Per the TV contract and money made everybody keeps mentioning - far better compensated over the last two decades. So why haven't we seen the splash from them? How did FSU in 2013 and Clemson in 16 and 18 manage w/o that 2X as much advantage?
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All Orange 247365
Jul 9, 2022, 9:56 PM
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I think what I am getting from some other threads is people want to believe Clemson will be relegated to a tier 2 group like the current day - group of 5 teams.
Can you imagine a CFB world where a team that has 3 NC - two recently having beaten the very best of the SEC and Big 10 in route to those championships - not be included in the mix?
I simply can't.
You aren't going to do Clemson like they do Coastal or App St or Bowling Green or Texas St for crying out loud. Some language would be in place; I am almost 100% on this to include a worthy team that wasn't in those two conferences. Will the CFB committee now only consider the top two teams from those conferences? Maybe top 4 if it expands to 8 teams. Obviously, it could happen; but I think you would be hard-pressed to potentially exclude teams with their own marketing power in their own right.
That is ultimately what people are getting at if you boil it all down. The money disparity argument can be debunked pretty easy since it's been a money disparity for years! And, a huge money disparity at that. So what, it's about to get bigger. Hasn't helped them to this point.
If we are talking NCAA relegating the ACC to where it can't compete; I think you would see another division be created before that happens. My thoughts; wondering what you think?
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Re: If Money Means Everything; then why does
Jul 10, 2022, 8:53 AM
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You obviously don’t really follow the game very closely if that’s what you’re coming up with. Look at the recruits. Most of them aren’t in Iowa, or Indiana. Most of the recruits are in the south and don’t make me explain that to you.
Ohio is the only state in the Big 10 area that puts out top players and the SEC has made it their mission to steal a lot of those every year to keep them away from the Other Big 10 schools and it’s mostly working. Western Pennsylvania used to be really hot when the steel mills were a thing, but not so much anymore.
Most football talent is coming out of Florida, Texas, California, Georgia and Louisiana and there’s not a single current B1G school located in any of those states.
So, then, money isn’t always everything, but it does come in really handy. Also, the Big 10 is way more about academics than the SEC and it’s hard for me to be against that since it is COLLEGE football. Not many schools have a cooler athletic building than Northwestern, but maybe 5 Bama players could even pass a study hall class there
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At All Orange 247365. Question
Jul 11, 2022, 6:43 PM
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Take a look at this list.
Does it surprise you?
Hmmm.
https://www.sportsmanagementdegreehub.com/the-universities-that-spend-the-most-on-athletics/ The 25 Universities That Spend the Most on Athletics - Sports Management Degree Hub “Show me the money!” –Rod Tidwell, played by Cuba Gooding, Jr. in “Jerry Maguire” (1996) Off the sports field, there’s an invisible game being played at universities- balancing the athletics books. College sports rake in billions of dollars for schools, both directly (ticket sales, media rights, program donations) and indirectly (increasing school visibility, image enhancement, alumni relations). But to make money, you’ve got to spend money, and the college sports industry is certainly no exception. Schools invest major funds in their teams with the hope of boosting participation, image and performance, and reaping solid financial rewards. While it’s true that…
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